Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

He believes that the distribution of resources and benefits of globalization in the past decade was unfair to the US,” Putin said. Indeed, he argued, one of the major problems in the US but in Europe as well is that the “ruling elites have broken away from the people

Instead of looking and blaming other countries leaders, lifestyles or customs, maybe a look around and fixing problems in his own patch might reap greater rewards. Leading to more cordial relationships with other countries.

But as we know taking responsibility for one's actions, is difficult for all.

one of the major problems in the US but in Europe as well is that the “ruling elites have broken away from the people"

Says the soviet-style dictator who's been raping his country's assets for decades.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

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Syria: A calculated risk
Moscow’s decision to intervene in Syria, in the fall of 2015, was undertaken after a careful analysis of risks and potential rewards, because Russia could not stand by while an international terrorist organization (Islamic State, also known as ISIS) grew in its vicinity.







Venezuela: ‘We do not meddle in things’



“When a person enters a square, raises his eyes to the sky and proclaims himself president? Let us do the same in Japan, the US or Germany. What will happen? Do you understand that this will cause chaos all over the world?” Putin asked back, referring to the US-backed opposition leader Juan Guaido’s attempt to seize power in Caracas.

North Korea as failure of international security


The real question is not how to disarm Pyongyang, but “how to make any country, including North Korea, feel safe and protected by international law that is strictly honored by all members of the international community,” the Russian president told FT.



Globalism has failed US middle class
Donald Trump is president of the US because he realized that the American middle class did not benefit from globalization, Putin argued, adding that this helps explain Trump’s economic policies and relations with partners and allies.



“He believes that the distribution of resources and benefits of globalization in the past decade was unfair to the US,” Putin said. Indeed, he argued, one of the major problems in the US but in Europe as well is that the “ruling elites have broken away from the people.”





Respect for all ideas

What a load of BS (unsurprising)

Putin supported Assad because Syria is an important partner to Russia. That simple.

Russia meddles everywhere they can, just like the U.S. They are not exceptional.

Juan Guaido is an elected official acting within their constitution, not "some guy in a square declaring he's president".

North Korea is still at war with the South. If they want to feel warm and fuzzy about international security then make a peace treaty.

Nice spin about Trump, who did not run on middle class issues or any sort of anti-wealthy elites platform. That was Sanders.


Respect for all ideas? Hmmm, like jailing or murdering anyone with different ideas is a great sign of respect, I guess.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Putin supported Assad because Syria is an important partner to Russia. That simple.

Russia meddles everywhere they can, just like the U.S. They are not exceptional.

Juan Guaido is an elected official acting within their constitution, not "some guy in a square declaring he's president".

North Korea is still at war with the South. If they want to feel warm and fuzzy about international security then make a peace treaty.

And now some more fairy tales something like:

Little Red Riding Hood

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

What a load of BS (unsurprising)

Putin supported Assad because Syria is an important partner to Russia. That simple.

Russia meddles everywhere they can, just like the U.S. They are not exceptional.

Juan Guaido is an elected official acting within their constitution, not "some guy in a square declaring he's president".

North Korea is still at war with the South. If they want to feel warm and fuzzy about international security then make a peace treaty.

Nice spin about Trump, who did not run on middle class issues or any sort of anti-wealthy elites platform. That was Sanders.


Respect for all ideas? Hmmm, like jailing or murdering anyone with different ideas is a great sign of respect, I guess.

That sort of factual content won't make you friends with the sycophantic Putin fanboys on here you know.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

‘Liberal idea has failed’
Whether one agrees with Trump’s idea to build a wall on the US-Mexico border or not, “he is at least looking for a solution,” Putin said, while the proponents of the so-called liberal values are “not doing anything,” insisting that everything is just fine even as unprecedented numbers of migrants come across their borders.

So, the liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population.

"I strongly disagree with President Putin that liberalism is obsolete.
What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs." - Donald Tusk -

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Juan Guaido is an elected official acting within their constitution

Do you have a link to the constitution which allows Guaido to take the presidency away from the sitting president?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Do you have a link to the constitution which allows Guaido to take the presidency away from the sitting president?

Do you want the proper constitution that gives power to the President of the National Assembly when the dictator in charge starts rewriting it, or the new one that lets Chavismo create new bodies and effectively give himself all the power instead of it being shared with properly elected officials and the people?

Not that you give a fuck anyway, you snivelling sycophant. You love dictators.

Our righteous 'arry hates dictators.

Surprisingly, those "dictators" (he hates) are all only the ones (without exception) that are hated also by the chieftains who bring the "democracy" around the world whilst not minding enormous demolition of countries and losses of lives ...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Our righteous 'arry hates dictators.

Surprisingly, those "dictators" (he hates) are all only the ones (without exception) that are hated also by the chieftains who bring the "democracy" around the world whilst not minding enormous demolition of countries and losses of lives ...

harry is an indian fool, pay for by Arab masters, don't pay attention to him

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Do you want the proper constitution

This was actually aimed at "Agent Smith", who made the allegation, but if you are both logins, I'm sure "Agent Smith" will be grateful for you to do his work.

I presume there is only one that is legally effective now, so that one will do. The clause where somebody can usurp the legally elected president, if you would be so kind.

‘Israeli missile strikes’ kill 4 Syrian civilians, including a toddler, injure 21 – state TV


"Syrian air defenses have responded to apparent missile attacks in the vicinity of Damascus and Homs, Sana reports, with its military source claiming that a number of ‘hostile targets’ have been intercepted.

At least 4 people, including a baby, were killed in the strikes on Damascus countryside while 21 others suffered injuries, according to SANA. One of those injured is a month old baby girl, who suffered burns and facial wounds.

The missiles were launched from the Lebanese airspace, where Israeli aircraft were spotted making low-altitude flights around the time of the incident, according to TV-channel Al-Mayadeen and Al-Masdar News and other regional sources.

Even though at least three missiles were intercepted, besides the casualties a number of houses on the outskirts of Damascus suffered “material damage.” The targets allegedly included Mezzeh military airport near Damascus, as well as nearby towns of Jamraya, Sahnaya, and Daraya. Another site was also targeted in Homs Governorate, near the Lebanese border.

Israel which repeatedly carried out cross-border raids into Syria in the past, but rarely admitted them, has yet to comment on the latest incident. However, in recent weeks, Tel Aviv confirmed striking multiple Syrian Army installations, in retaliation to cross-border tensions surrounding the occupied Golan Heights.

Damascus on several occasions urged the UN to put an end to these blatant sovereignty violations by Israel. The Syrian government believes that Israeli strikes only bolster the fighting spirit of the remaining terrorists in the country.

https://www.rt.com/news/463081-syria-air-defenses-explosions/




S-200 missile? Downed jet? Drone? UFO crashes in N. Cyprus amid ‘Israeli raid’ on Syria (PHOTOS)


"An unidentified flying object has crashed and exploded in Northern Cyprus, local authorities have confirmed, triggering a salvo of rumors ranging from an anti-aircraft missile to a jet downed during Israeli raid on Syria.

“Initial findings indicate the object that caused the explosion was either an aircraft carrying explosives or a direct explosive (missile),” foreign minister of Northern Cyprus, Kudret Ozersay, wrote.

The incident happened shortly after Syrian air defenses were activated to repel an air raid that Damascus blamed on Israel.

Social media users immediately rushed to analyze the blurry videos and pictures, coming up with various explanations and wild guesses."

https://www.rt.com/news/463085-cypru...ssile-jet-ufo/



Much speculation of what crashed and whose plane/drone it was.

The crash site with many large fires;



Wreckage



Some possibilities;



F35

or this



F16

So a misfiring russian missile then?

So basically it was a misfiring piece of Russian junk, and because RT decided to try and palm it off as a crashing warplane, you did too.

And then you try and perpetuate the lie by claiming the BBC are making things up.

You silly, snivelling sycophant.

Why don't you look at proper fucking news sites which quote actual people involved and don't just post bollocks from some simpering Putin stooge?

"The first assessment is that a Russian-made missile ... which was part of the air defense system that took place last night in the face of an air strike against Syria," Turkish Cypriot foreign minister Kudret Ozersay said in a Facebook post.

<snip>

Mr Ozersay said the missile likely blew up in mid-air because there was no impact crater and pieces of the object were found several kilometres from Tashkent/Vouno.

He said the writing on debris matches that found on pieces of a Russian-made S-200 missile that crashed in Gaziantep, Turkey, in July 2018.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8982256.html

^{The wiki page has already decided that due to a BBC article, it is a S200.}

That might be because the BBC also quoted the Turkish Cypriot Foreign Minister saying "It has the same writing as an S200 that landed in Turkey".

Stop reading these stupid Russian propaganda sites you moron, they are full of shit.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

RT decided to try and palm it off as a crashing warplane, you did too.

Try basic English reading before you become a joke.

RT headline:

Stray missile? Downed jet?

Can you see the red question marks?

Can you see the two words 'missile" and 'jet"?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Much speculation of what crashed and whose plane/drone it was.

Can you see the the words, "much speculation"?

RT includes a link to the go too reference site of the FM FB page.

It is all in Turkish, no English or Thai.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/714802954...6715980297955/

Four sentences in Turkish:

"เมื่อวานนี้ เวลา 17:41 น.

aşkent köyü yakınındaki olay yerine giderek patlama ertesinde bölgede bulunan parçaları yetkililerimizle birlikte inceledik.

İlk bulgular patlamaya neden olan cismin niteliğinin ya patlayıcı taşıyan bir hava aracı ya da doğrudan doğruya bir patlayıcı (füze) olduğuna işaret etmektedir.

Parçalar üzerindeki yazılar ve diğer emareler kısa süre sonra tam olarak ne olduğunu anlamamıza yardımcı olacak niteliktedir.

Herhangi bir can kaybı veya yaralı yoktur. İtfaiyemizin çalışmasıyla yangın kontrol altına alınmıştır. Memleketimize ve Halkımıza büyük geçmiş olsun."





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Four English sentences, machine translation:

"We just went to the scene near the village of Tashkent and examined the parts of the area after the explosion with our officials.

Preliminary findings indicate that the nature of the explosive object is either an aircraft carrying explosives or a direct explosive" (missile).

The inscriptions on the parts and other signs will help us to understand exactly what happens soon.

There are no casualties or injuries. The fire was taken under control by our fire department. Great past to our country and our people."

https://www.facebook.com/714802954/p...6715980297955/

There of course maybe more pages around.

Your UK government state propaganda BBC article. The blue highlights are dubious, unproven, irrelevant or lies.

Take your pick:

'Stray Syrian anti-aircraft missile' hits northern Cyprus

20 hours ago UK time (Approx 13:00 01/07/19)

A stray Russian-made missile apparently launched by Syria hit the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus overnight, officials say.


Foreign Minister Kudret Ozersay said the air defence missile was thought to have been launched during suspected Israeli air strikes on Syria.


The projectile struck a mountainside north of Nicosia, 225km (140 miles) from the Syrian coast, sparking a fire.

At least four civilians were reportedly killed in the air strikes on Syria.


The Syrian military said it had "confronted" Israeli warplanes that fired missiles at military positions near the capital Damascus and the central city of Homs.


No casualties were reported after the stray missile hit the Tashkent region of northern Cyprus, about 20km (12 miles) from the city of Nicosia, at about 01:00 on Monday (22:00 GMT on Sunday).


But residents told Cypriot media they had seen a light in the sky and then heard three loud explosions.


"The first assessment is that a Russian-made missile... which was part of the air defence system that took place last night in the face of an air strike against Syria, completed its range and fell into our country after it missed," Mr Ozersay wrote in a post on Facebook.


The explosions were likely to have happened before impact because there was no crater, he added. "The pieces that fell to several different points prove that the missile exploded in the air before it crashed."


Mr Ozersay also said the markings on the debris recovered from the scene matched those found on pieces of a Russian-made S-200 air defence missile that hit Gazientep in Turkey in July 2018.


"This is one of the bad consequences of the war in the region," said Mustafa Akinci, the president of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That might be because the BBC also quoted the Turkish Cypriot Foreign Minister saying "It has the same writing as an S200 that landed in Turkey".

Link to the FM statement would be useful.

Your trustworthy Independent article uses a phrase,

"The suspected missile"., to cover their "reputation".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8982256.html

Inserts a few unattributed BBC quotes after copying and pasting the BBC propaganda.

But if you have facts to share please do.

You gullible fucker, it was always a missile and you posted pictures of planes and an article that speculated that it might have been a plane shot down.

You were wanking yourself silly at that prospect no doubt.

Everyone knows it was a shit russky missile, and that S400 bollocks isn't much better, it's just more of it.

what about the Pentagon, Harry, was it also a plane?

what a gullible tool you make, and we love you for it

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

an article that speculated

Not the article writers, the commentators 'arry.

Shitty Russian bollocks, they couldn't hit a cow's arse with a handful of rice.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Do you have a link to the constitution which allows Guaido to take the presidency away from the sitting president?

Here's an analysis by Stanford Law School: https://law.stanford.edu/2019/02/01/...-of-venezuela/

There are other, multiple, sources for this, too. A little research could get those blinders off if you make an effort.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Here's an analysis by Stanford Law School: https://law.stanford.edu/2019/02/01/...-of-venezuela/

There are other, multiple, sources for this, too. A little research could get those blinders off if you make an effort.

No chance, he's every dictator's dream.

If it ain't on China Daily, RT, or some other whackjob website, he doesn't believe it.

Worse, his little puppy Klondyke does his best to try and match him.

Pair of fucking idiots.

Ah Putin. The figure-head and puppet of the Russian mafia. Not to hard to dig past the veneer if you give it a go.