It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
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It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Using Humberts logic the war crimes of Saudi Arabia in Yemen are America's war crimes.
Don't forget your wonderful Obama just let him walk right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
You made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Funny you should say that...Quote:
Originally Posted by buriramboy
http://www.vox.com/2016/12/14/139029...udi-war-crimes
And what would you have done- dropped loadsa real Big barrel bombs to try and protect your Islamic militant, foreign mercenary allies? So they could just go ahead and finish the destruction of Palmyra, and the mass rape and enslavement of Yazidi women? Burn a few hundred more people alive, for the titillation of the Youtube community?Quote:
Originally Posted by RPETER65
A brave and noble demonstration of your commitment to human rights, freedom and democracy I am sure. But we are all witness to how well that has succeeded. Enjoy your Freedom fries. :chitown:
Ameristani? Are you suggesting some connection between the 'stan countries and the states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Crusader coalition? Are you suggesting it's some kind of religious affiliation?
Seriously. Get help.
You are very naive about Putin's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaYou made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Another deflection attempt? :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by HumbertYou are very naive about Putin's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaYou made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Are you still saying Putin has barrel bombs and has used them?
^absolutely, two faces of the same coin. Mass murderer.
It might be interesting to compare the number of people killed under his orders, with those killed under dubya and obamas orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Putin helped defeat the murderous savages who held Aleppo. No matter what he or Assad may be like they are a million times better than the IS filth who turned Aleppo into a slaughterhouse while Western idiots offered every help they could to the "rebels". This is one of the most astonishing pieces of mass delusion I've ever witnessed. The so-called rebels are IS and al-Qaeda. They are monsters who slaughtered their way through Syria. Why on earth is there so much sympathy for them? Are you all insane?
Well done Russia for having the balls to slaughter those bearded monsters while the West, as usual, wrung its hands in fraudulent sympathy while loudly blaming the victims of the fundamentalist death cults for their own enslavement, rape, and murder.
When Obama made red line threats over Syria using chemical weapons, then failing to follow through Putin and the rest of the world knew they were free to carry out their death and destruction tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
^^Code brown alert again. Christ it's getting thick in here with all the worship for Putin and Assad.
You're quoting OhOh's posts you fucking moron :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by CujoAmeristani? Are you suggesting some connection between the 'stan countries and the states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Crusader coalition? Are you suggesting it's some kind of religious affiliation?
Seriously. Get help.
I spent quite a lot of my life in Syria. I know Aleppo very well. I always travelled to Syria by bus and train, crossing the border outside Antakya - in Turkey. Antakya is also known as Antioch, you might want to look upthe significance of that name in Western culture (although these days it's nothing special). I have many, many friends in Aleppo. maybe I should say I HAD many, many friends there. I spoke to some of the survivors today. Friends I haven't spoken to for a long long time but who are now able to communicate over the internet because Bashar's army escorted them out to safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Every single one of my Christian friends is dead, you do know Aleppo had a large Christian community, don't you. Every single one of them, entire families from grandparents to toddlers. Mostly crucified or decapitated. The women raped first of course, even those in their 80s. Waste not, want not, eh? It wasn't the Syrian Army or the Russians who did that.
They were all killed by the rebels, most of them were killed quite slowly. The area of the city they live in has gone, blown up. Not blown up by barrel bombs, blown up by IS and Al-Qaeda. It was a lovely area, little winding alleyways with bars and restaurants hidden behind tiny little doors. They weren't illegal but they always reminded me of speakeasys, open the tiny door and you were in a huge room, two stories high, hundreds of people talking and laughing, a piano player in the centre. I always ordered the local speciality, a kind of kibbeh kebab with a black cherry sauce. All gone now, an entire culture wiped out by an evil death cult.
I always stayed at the Baron Hotel. It was owned by an Armenian, Mr Masmoulian, I think. I never knew him. I knew Mr Walid though, the Major-Domo. I used to hire his 1950's Buick, Aziza, for trips around Aleppo and visits to the Dead Cities. I would carry messages for him to his enormous family all around Syria, Hama, Homs, Tadmor, Damascus. They're all gone now too.
I drank in the bar of the Baron, the barman was a Palestinian. It was a tiny bar, T.E Lawrence and Agatha Christie drank there a long time ago, when we got nostalgic the barman would take the old guestbooks out of the safe so we could see their signatures. When I was a regular most of the customers were Alawite Mukhabarat, we used to get very drunk on raki and sing scurrilous songs about Bashar and his semi-deified brother Basil.
I had many Muslims friends too, we used to walk to the souk together and I'd visit their houses and eat halva, lots and lots of halva. I hate halva. They'd visit me and we'd drink raki. Aleppo is one of the oldest cities on earth, maybe even the oldest. We'd talk about that and wonder if that was the reason Christians, Jews, and various different types of Muslim lived together peacefully. Most of them had absolutely no time for fundamentalists and worried about those who supported Al-Ikhwan al-muslimeen, most of them supported what Hafas and Riaat did in Hama, always called "the incident" in Syria, and only wishing that they'd finished the job.
Did you know Syria was the only country where people still spoke on a daily basis the language Jesus spoke?
Most of those muslim friends are dead too. Killed because they weren't Muslim enough, or because they had attractive wives or children. Or because they liked to drink raki with foreigners.
Anyway, out of my many hundreds of friends and acquaintances in Aleppo I've been able to get in touch with only three in the last couple of days. Two doctors and a teacher, I knew them and their families well. These days, of course, they're just refugees and victims, the object of Teakdoor contempt and vilification, and their families are much, much smaller.
They told me that a couple of days ago they had to hide because the heroic rebels you seem to love so much were moving through the streets killing everyone they saw. They were finally rescued by the Syrian Army and taken to a Refugee centre.
The Syrian Army, once they'd taken an area, moved through the streets rounding people up and taking them to refugee centres just outside the city. My friends that they are with thousands of people and under the protection of the army and they have not heard a single instance of these alleged Syrian Army death squads reported in the Western media.In fact they'd never even heard those stories until I mentioned them.
They are pathetically grateful to Putin. They looked to the West for help and we pissed on them. Putin came and rescued them and they don't care about his ultimate aims. They just care that they're finally free of the nightmare creatures that have destroyed everything they held dear.
Don't give me this shit about Putin or Assad. Nothing either of them has ever done compares remotely to the atrocities inflicted on the Syrian people by the so-called rebels our governments and our media have supported. The aims of Putin are entirely suspect but the fact is that his military have rescued tens of thousands of people from fates we can barely imagine. The few remaining of the many Syrians I once knew are only grateful that somebody, finally, came to their aid and are very clear that no matter how bad Bashar or Putin might have been they are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the IS and al-Quaeda filth the Western media have been lauding as rebel heroes.
Sometimes we get so caught up in our own particular politics and ideology we forget about those people that live under the threat of death and injury every day. We see the statistics but we are far away from the human suffering. Regardless of whether i agree or disagree with Drbob, his story has brought home the terrible suffering these people have had to endure. It is not just a story in the papers but a real human tragedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Putin is at the head of the biggest country in the World, a LOT of ressources available there still... People are very friendly over there, so as anywhere. Putin is a clever guy.
Americans are used to live on Credit and abused the system that should collapse any time. It is the people there that shall revolution against their own aristocrats to restore a viable level. Sadly propaganda from said Aristocrats is believed and followed, draining in the World to suffer and reset to a new same same...
If the World would concentrate on abolishing actual monetary system and discuss new ways, better possibilities than Wars would emerge.
Wars keep aristocrats ruling and people dying for "Nation", "Religion" or due to "propaganda evil actions of other camp".
Wake up World or well, eat dollars bills, tasty that, ya might soon be flooded with those...
What a fucking load of rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Assad and Putin are putting down an insurrection by the majority Sunni population that Assad was attacking with military weapons from day one of this conflict.
To suddenly try and paint either of them as a fucking saviour is cretinous to the extreme.
And this rebellion will never end now, until Assad and his cronies are fucked off to Iran where they belong or hung from the nearest trees.
No, they are not. A large amount (most, actually) of government forces, and government senior officials, and gov't supporters, are Sunni. Secular Sunni in particular- middle class, urban. Such as Pres Assad's wife. It is exceedingly doubtful even a near majority of the Sunni population in Syria support the Islamist rebels- even if they have no great love for the Assad regime. Who wants to live under Isis, or al Qaeda?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
In contrast, most of the fighters left with IS & Al Qaeda are foreign- they are not Syrian at all. Support for the Islamist rebels comes mainly from poorer, rural, Islamist sectors of society. The sort of people who resent seeing affluent, middle class Sunni's, Allawite's, Chritians, Kurds mixing it together in urban nightclubs and restaurants- spending the sort of money they can't, getting merrily drunk, and having a great time together. And then of course, there are the Kurds- same old agenda, they want their own Homeland- or at least greater self determination. They have a point.
In your ignorance and utter naivete in falling for your government's and a compliant media's onslaught of mendacious propaganda, you are now supporting vile, sadistic Jihadists in a campaign of slaughter and wholesale ethnic cleansing against people like us. Nice one.
Thank you, President Putin- it is you alone who is standing up for our values of tolerance, pluralism, secularism and religious freedom. Kill as many of the vile Islamist scum as possible, before they can land in Europe as refugees and attempt to further debase our society from within. Same applies to the Assad regime, and Iran. Believe me, we are debased enough- We (or at least those who basely claim to speak for us) are Terrorist supporters and sympathisers.
astonishing how blind and idiotic our western governments have become. I assume CIA is running the show in most of the foreign office in western democracies. 15 years of stupdity and madness by the Americans has created a world of cahos and wars. Time for a change, and yes Putin is the savior here, thank god we have him. Trump is going to be the other savior before they try to assasinate him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
indeed, how we forget :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
hey, it's Harry, he works 24/7 in an Indian call center, can't blame him :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
They support these extremist groups for the same reason the Lebanese now support Hizbollah against Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
They are their only hope against Assad's slaughter.
You mean the majority of the Syrian population who don't brownnose to and collude with the Alawite.Quote:
Support for the Islamist rebels comes mainly from poorer, rural, Islamist sectors of society. The sort of people who resent seeing affluent, middle class Sunni's, Allawite's, Chritians, Kurds mixing it together in urban nightclubs and restaurants- spending the sort of money they can't, getting merrily drunk, and having a great time together.
Just because you got pissed with a few Syrian Vichy in a Damascus nightclub, you're under the impression that most of Syria want Assad in charge. Well you're wrong. They didn't want his father in charge either, and he massacred the population of Hama and bulldozed over them to quell that rebellion.
Don't put words in my mouth, shithead. I loathe them with a passion, but they are an inevitable consequence of the West turning its back on the Syrian people.Quote:
In your ignorance and utter naivete in falling for your government's and a compliant media's onslaught of mendacious propaganda, you are now supporting vile, sadistic Jihadists in a campaign of slaughter and wholesale ethnic cleansing against people like us. Nice one.
If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you. You're just another Putin arselicker.Quote:
Thank you, President Putin- it is you alone who is standing up for our values of tolerance, pluralism, secularism and religious freedom.
You're in early Buttplug, sold all your newspapers already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
I am not as lucky as you, waking up every morning in that beautiful sunshine in the desert, on your knees, watching cocks being erected.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaYou're in early Buttplug, sold all your newspapers already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Aaaaaaaaaaand he's straight onto cock again. The bloke can't stop thinking about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonflyI am not as lucky as you, waking up every morning in that beautiful sunshine in the desert, on your knees, watching cocks being erected.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaYou're in early Buttplug, sold all your newspapers already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
:smileylaughing:
No surprise that a large number of the GOP admire the way Putin has managed to oppress his people and steal large sums of money from the national coffers.
That's all they try and do themselves.
More Republicans viewing Putin favorably - POLITICO
Shows that the fake news propaganda that works in Russia works in America too. Stupid people are everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
that's because you are such an inspiration for it, don't know why :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
maybe because you always sound like one ? :rofl:
I'd love to see Humberts reply to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bI spent quite a lot of my life in Syria. I know Aleppo very well. I always travelled to Syria by bus and train, crossing the border outside Antakya - in Turkey. Antakya is also known as Antioch, you might want to look upthe significance of that name in Western culture (although these days it's nothing special). I have many, many friends in Aleppo. maybe I should say I HAD many, many friends there. I spoke to some of the survivors today. Friends I haven't spoken to for a long long time but who are now able to communicate over the internet because Bashar's army escorted them out to safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Every single one of my Christian friends is dead, you do know Aleppo had a large Christian community, don't you. Every single one of them, entire families from grandparents to toddlers. Mostly crucified or decapitated. The women raped first of course, even those in their 80s. Waste not, want not, eh? It wasn't the Syrian Army or the Russians who did that.
They were all killed by the rebels, most of them were killed quite slowly. The area of the city they live in has gone, blown up. Not blown up by barrel bombs, blown up by IS and Al-Qaeda. It was a lovely area, little winding alleyways with bars and restaurants hidden behind tiny little doors. They weren't illegal but they always reminded me of speakeasys, open the tiny door and you were in a huge room, two stories high, hundreds of people talking and laughing, a piano player in the centre. I always ordered the local speciality, a kind of kibbeh kebab with a black cherry sauce. All gone now, an entire culture wiped out by an evil death cult.
I always stayed at the Baron Hotel. It was owned by an Armenian, Mr Masmoulian, I think. I never knew him. I knew Mr Walid though, the Major-Domo. I used to hire his 1950's Buick, Aziza, for trips around Aleppo and visits to the Dead Cities. I would carry messages for him to his enormous family all around Syria, Hama, Homs, Tadmor, Damascus. They're all gone now too.
I drank in the bar of the Baron, the barman was a Palestinian. It was a tiny bar, T.E Lawrence and Agatha Christie drank there a long time ago, when we got nostalgic the barman would take the old guestbooks out of the safe so we could see their signatures. When I was a regular most of the customers were Alawite Mukhabarat, we used to get very drunk on raki and sing scurrilous songs about Bashar and his semi-deified brother Basil.
I had many Muslims friends too, we used to walk to the souk together and I'd visit their houses and eat halva, lots and lots of halva. I hate halva. They'd visit me and we'd drink raki. Aleppo is one of the oldest cities on earth, maybe even the oldest. We'd talk about that and wonder if that was the reason Christians, Jews, and various different types of Muslim lived together peacefully. Most of them had absolutely no time for fundamentalists and worried about those who supported Al-Ikhwan al-muslimeen, most of them supported what Hafas and Riaat did in Hama, always called "the incident" in Syria, and only wishing that they'd finished the job.
Did you know Syria was the only country where people still spoke on a daily basis the language Jesus spoke?
Most of those muslim friends are dead too. Killed because they weren't Muslim enough, or because they had attractive wives or children. Or because they liked to drink raki with foreigners.
Anyway, out of my many hundreds of friends and acquaintances in Aleppo I've been able to get in touch with in the last couple of days. Two doctors and a teacher, I knew them and their families well. These days, of course, they're just refugees and victims, the object of Teakdoor contempt and vilification, and their families are much, much smaller.
They told me that a couple of days ago they had to hide because the heroic rebels you seem to love so much were moving through the streets killing everyone they saw. They were finally rescued by the Syrian Army and taken to a Refugee centre.
The Syrian Army, once they'd taken an area, moved through the streets rounding people up and taking them to refugee centres just outside the city. My friends that they are with thousands of people and under the protection of the army and they have not heard a single instance of these alleged Syrian Army death squads reported in the Western media.In fact they'd never even heard those stories until I mentioned them.
They are pathetically grateful to Putin. They looked to the West for help and we pissed on them. Putin came and rescued them and they don't care about his ultimate aims. They just care that they're finally free of the nightmare creatures that have destroyed everything they held dear.
Don't give me this shit about Putin or Assad. Nothing either of them has ever done compares remotely to the atrocities inflicted on the Syrian people by the so-called rebels our governments and our media have supported. The aims of Putin are entirely suspect but the fact is that his military have rescued tens of thousands of people from fates we can barely imagine. The few remaining of the many Syrians I once knew are only grateful that somebody, finally, came to their aid and are very clear that no matter how bad Bashar or Putin might have been they are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the IS and al-Quaeda filth the Western media have been lauding as rebel heroes.
Keep it in your pants Buttplug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Go and take your sexual frustration out on the katoeys like you usually do.
It's one person's perspective. Doesn't change my opinion of the fact that Russia contributed to the civilian catastrophe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
So did the USA. So did the ISIS terrorists. So did the "rebels". So did the UAE, so did Qatar and Saudi Arabia, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
But none of them vetoed UN security council resolutions that would have ended in Assad's isolation and probable ouster.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaSo did the USA. So did the ISIS terrorists. So did the "rebels". So did the UAE, so did Qatar and Saudi Arabia, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
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Originally Posted by Humbert
So Dr Bob is full of shit?
They just sent in more and more arms to ensure the war carried on for even longer, resulting in more deaths, more destruction, more refugees, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaBut none of them vetoed UN security council resolutions that would have ended in Assad's isolation and probable ouster.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaSo did the USA. So did the ISIS terrorists. So did the "rebels". So did the UAE, so did Qatar and Saudi Arabia, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Why don't you post your own opinion instead of trying to put words in my mouth you facile little troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
The removal of Assad is the only way this war will end. That was their only option to bring it to an early close.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaThey just sent in more and more arms to ensure the war carried on for even longer, resulting in more deaths, more destruction, more refugees, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaBut none of them vetoed UN security council resolutions that would have ended in Assad's isolation and probable ouster.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaSo did the USA. So did the ISIS terrorists. So did the "rebels". So did the UAE, so did Qatar and Saudi Arabia, etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Putin sabotaged it. He wanted his arms customer, and he wanted his Med naval base.
Correctly so- that would have only unleashed a full on bloodbath. There is no unified opposition against the Assad regime, end of story. In case you hadn't noticed, the Kurds are more busy helping eliminate IS now than fighting the Assad regime, Turkey is busy battling the Kurds much more than Assad, IS & AQ have been fighting each other, the Kurds, and the Assad regime, Israel is helping IS where it can and bombing regime forces, the US doesn't know what the hell it is doing or who it is really fighting as usual- only Russia and Iran have their eye on the ball, and they are fighting IS & Al Qaeda in support of the Assad regime, and against Islamic terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The US was wrong in Iraq, wrong in Libya, and they are wrong here. It has become a mind numbingly repetitive story.
^ Wrong- Assad will not be removed. The US has got it's head up it's ass if it still thinks that is on the table.
I disagree, but time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Putin wanted to stop Syria turning into another Iraq or Libya or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Ahh, Russia wants arms customers and military bases in foreign countries. Imagine that. So, Putin thinks much like the USA, the French, the British, etc. Same as it ever was.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Bear in mind the posters throwing churlish little hissy fits here are the same posters confidently saying that Assad would be soon ousted 3-4 years ago. A little pique, perhaps? :chitown: