Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by ENT

So what? Those reports attempting to debunk Georesonance are old, but not conclusive, April 29th.

Still no sign of that plane, and no clear figures from INMARSAT at all, just plenty of hogwash fro Malaysia annd Oz about what a great job they're doing blah-blah-blah...

How about this angle though, Mr Beancounter harrybarracuda/

How about thiatangle? It's another one of your ridiculous conspiratorial fairy stories.

And GeoResonance are scammers, you gullible fool.

In 2014 GeoResonance claimed to have found the resting place of the World War II hospital ship Armenia[4] in 2005 which had been sunk by a German torpedo in the Black Sea, but this claim was never substantiated and the specific location of the ship's hulk remains unknown. GeoResonance also claimed to hold three patents on its technology, though the patent numbers specified— 86496-UA, 35122-UA, and 2007A000247-EU— do not exist.

You are so desperate to try and be different that you'll believe any old shit.

Originally Posted by ENT

So what? Those reports attempting to debunk Georesonance are old, but not conclusive, April 29th.

Still no sign of that plane, and no clear figures from INMARSAT at all, just plenty of hogwash fro Malaysia annd Oz about what a great job they're doing blah-blah-blah...

How about this angle though, Mr Beancounter harrybarracuda/


Landing and hiding flight MH370 in an airport requires at least 19 key people

We have been following the developments of missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and updating live. Based on a series of clues from authorities, on 2nd day we concluded that plane was hijacked (or sabotaged). We further concluded that plane was not disintegrated in mid air, and passengers were alive after landing. Authorities kept looking for debris while we urged to search land areas for survivors. Read our initial story.



Now the authorities have come to believe that plane kept flying after disappearance from radar and it could have landed somewhere. Still, the authorities have given a higher priority for searching seas. We condemn that and request again to look for survivors in the land areas, instead of debris in the ocean.

Land and hide
Many people question how could you hide a giant Boeing 777 plane? Our answer is very simple. Based on clues, some people have already taken control of the flight, handled the situation in a way to blindfold authorities to believe the plane was crashed somewhere into the deep blue oceans. This does not sound like ordinary people. It could be a master-plan. But, how could you hide the plane? We see many Malaysian Airline's flights landing and take off all the time. You just need to place "your person" in the right place and it could land right on the runway, safely, and move to hanger for maintenance or whatever it could be. Who knew it was the missing MH370? If you have right person in right place, we dont think its impossible and not even even too difficult. "Your person" in the airport would say its MH130, same card could be played to pass though the immigration. It sounds a little complicated only because we dont know every single detail. But, how about the passengers? Before landing the "captain" might have announced that the plane was having an emergency situation and landing in another country. Captain would arrange free hotel for overnight and "your hotel manager" is in charge from that point onwards, he would take care of his "customers". Just like flight, the airport could also have communication jammers activated, so no body would have be able to call or answer any incoming call, through out. From plane to hotel, no problem.

Manpower needs
Based on this theory the terrorists would not no need so much manpower. All the people inside cockpit likely have cooperated. Flight attendants might not be aware of what was going on before landing. So it becomes, 2 pilots, 2 staff on air traffic control tower, 4 staff in the immigration counters (who would replace MH370 with another MH flight code), 1 airport guy to receive them, about 6 drivers and 1 hotel manager. Its 16 members in the group till the passengers reach hotel. To hide the plane terrorists might have needed about 3 key staff, to put the plane in hanger and close it down with false flight number or close down the hanger completely stating its not in operable condition. Now, the flight could sit there for months.
Missing flight MH370 spotted sitting on sea floor

The Georesonance stuff is rubbish, they lie all the time, just research it.

The other stuff is fanciful nonsense, but then again you gobble it up don't you?

It's unbelievable to me that a piece of flotsam hasn't washed up somewhere, not one single piece.

Originally Posted by Koojo

It's unbelievable to me that a piece of flotsam hasn't washed up somewhere, not one single piece.

You throw a bottle with a note in it into the sea, washes up on a shore somewhere.
French plane, bodies and flotsam 4 days, this one everything fails, not just transponders, but radios, life raft beacons, Australian radar [part of the US nuke shield]
Joint air defense Butterworth, NZ, UK, OZ, Singapore and Malaysia don't scramble a fighter.
Guy from Samui did a runner on a sea plane, a fighter was sent for that, yet a big jet, no one cares.
Many things don't add up, I don't go for grand conspiracy, but cover up after the event.
Who knows, even if someone got up and told the truth, no one would believe them now.
Jim

Originally Posted by Koojo

It's unbelievable to me that a piece of flotsam hasn't washed up somewhere, not one single piece.

The problem is that most of it would have sunk, and any bits that are left probably look the same as the thousands of tons of other crap that's floating out there.

Remember they found a whole frigging liferaft floating at sea that turned out to be from a ship?

Perhaps Malaysian Airlines should announce their plane was carrying a substantial amount of gold bullion and that the owners were surrendering any and all rights to it.

That would save the Authorities the expense of this search operation.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The problem is that most of it would have sunk, and any bits that are left probably look the same as the thousands of tons of other crap that's floating out there.
Remember they found a whole frigging liferaft floating at sea that turned out to be from a ship?

Maybe, harry...But I'm gonna believe that the impact was fairly "shattering," if it did, indeed hit the ocean...And a fair amount will float...

That's gonna crack out a bit of stuff, and some of that stuff should be identifiable as coming from MH370, even though they were hampered by the timing of the search...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Koojo

It's unbelievable to me that a piece of flotsam hasn't washed up somewhere, not one single piece.

The problem is that most of it would have sunk, and any bits that are left probably look the same as the thousands of tons of other crap that's floating out there.

Remember they found a whole frigging liferaft floating at sea that turned out to be from a ship?

Bollix, harry.

A plane ain't made of lead, it's fuselage skin, interior lining, seats covers, cushions etc are all made of lightweight fabric or plastics which float.

The bits that would sink would have to be attached to metal and other non-buoyant parts of the plane.

If the plane crashed into the sea, there would have been sufficient force on impact to separate most of the heavy parts from the lighter fuselage skin interior and the least we'd find would be seat cushions and other sections of GRP, etc, water bottles, and other containers, all pretty much in one general area, where the supposedly "pinging" black box recorder could also be found.

No debris at all is a nonsense.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

How about thiatangle? It's another one of your ridiculous conspiratorial fairy stories.

Thiatangle?

WTF? Another one of your favourite dreams?

Something like the flying bus you dreamed up about at WTC?

It would all depend on how it landed on the ocean surface (if indeed it did, and not in Wherethefukistan or Diego Garcia).
If it came in at a shallow angle it may have not broken up much. However if it ran out of fuel, it would likely have come down fast and broken up.
I hate to give ENT ammunition, but there is a contradiction here : Flight 93, the plane that plane that came down in a Pennsylvania field, actually disintegrated completely. So much so that hardly anything was found.

It is a known physical fact that water can be very hard if an object is traveling fast when it hits. People who suicide by jumping off high enough bridges actually have their legs driven up into their body, to a certain extent.

I'd say that there was a fair bit of debris but there is so much crap out there that it went unnoticed....possibly because it was so small/fragmented.

We can't have it both ways, by saying Flight 93 disintegrated, but MH370 didn't, just because it hit water. It would have been moving at a fair pace, and unless it (somehow) hit at a shallow angle, would have broken up.

I have a friend who's a whiz working in the aircraft technical field. I have not seen him for a long time, but will see him this weekend, and will ask what he thinks.

Originally Posted by ENT

A plane ain't made of lead, it's fuselage skin, interior lining, seats covers, cushions etc are all made of lightweight fabric or plastics which float.

Seat covers and cushions eventually become sodden and sink, as for any items that would float such as bottles, cups and bits of fuselage would have been spread over a wide are by now making it difficult to distinguish between them and much other rubbish. Besides the Indian Ocean is very big place.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

It would all depend on how it landed on the ocean surface (if indeed it did, and not in Wherethefukistan or Diego Garcia).
If it came in at a shallow angle it may have not broken up much. However if it ran out of fuel, it would likely have come down fast and broken up.
I hate to give ENT ammunition, but there is a contradiction here : Flight 93, the plane that plane that came down in a Pennsylvania field, actually disintegrated completely. So much so that hardly anything was found.

It is a known physical fact that water can be very hard if an object is traveling fast when it hits. People who suicide by jumping off high enough bridges actually have their legs driven up into their body, to a certain extent.

I'd say that there was a fair bit of debris but there is so much crap out there that it went unnoticed....possibly because it was so small/fragmented.

We can't have it both ways, by saying Flight 93 disintegrated, but MH370 didn't, just because it hit water. It would have been moving at a fair pace, and unless it (somehow) hit at a shallow angle, would have broken up.

I have a friend who's a whiz working in the aircraft technical field. I have not seen him for a long time, but will see him this weekend, and will ask what he thinks.

If we go with the dead stick autopilot scenario, the plane would have run out of fuel. They don't suddenly nose dive into the ground.
The plane has a glide ratio of about 15:1 which gives it a very low angle impact.
It could have only broken into several large pieces.
Also, the area (end of the arc) is the most violent sea on earth AND had a cyclone come through a few days after the crash.
Any floating debris is probably in antartica.

Here's something, don't think its been mentioned before.
Was looking up phones, seems smart phones can text via satellite, not tech savvy so don't know the ins and outs of it, but some of the passengers were geeks.

Something to do with GPS, just a thought, if they could text via satellite, wouldn't it mean they were all dead before they knew something was wrong.

As said, not a techy guy, may have read and misunderstood, I was looking for an app emergency location beacon for my phone. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Here's something, don't think its been mentioned before.
Was looking up phones, seems smart phones can text via satellite, not tech savvy so don't know the ins and outs of it, but some of the passengers were geeks.

Something to do with GPS, just a thought, if they could text via satellite, wouldn't it mean they were all dead before they knew something was wrong.

As said, not a techy guy, may have read and misunderstood, I was looking for an app emergency location beacon for my phone. Jim

You can't, unless you have a satellite phone.

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Originally Posted by jamescollister

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That's basically a dumb satphone hardware unit of very limited usefulness.
You may as well ask if anyone on the plane had a satellite phone.

In any event, most assume the passengers and crew were killed early on via depressurization.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by jamescollister

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That's basically a dumb satphone hardware unit of very limited usefulness.
You may as well ask if anyone on the plane had a satellite phone.

In any event, most assume the passengers and crew were killed early on via depressurization.

Good point, did any passengers have a sat phone or any other satellite compatible device. Because, if you believe the Malaysian Government report, the high altitude flying was over Malaysia, primary radar Thai and Malaysian radar should have picked up the plane well out if flying high, but they didn't.

Kind of rules out depressurization at the time the plane first dropped off Vietnamese radar. If the people died when the plane did the 45,000 feet climb over Malaysia, they had time.

All very strange, simple is best, plane lost power, that's why the signal to IMARSAT re set. Someone sees a dark plane coming at them and splash it.

As for smooth glide landing in the southern ocean, waves get to 100 feet out there, like hitting a brick wall. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

the plane first dropped off Vietnamese radar.

The plane didn't drop off Vietnamese radar, it never appeared on their screens.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by jamescollister

the plane first dropped off Vietnamese radar.

The plane didn't drop off Vietnamese radar, it never appeared on their screens.

Not according to the Malaysian Governments report, plane was on Vietnamese radar and disappeared.

Not according to the Malaysian Governments report, plane was on Vietnamese radar and disappeared.

I haven't seen that report, care to provide a link? My information is from the BBC Horizon documentary 'Where is Flight MH370?'

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by ENT

A plane ain't made of lead, it's fuselage skin, interior lining, seats covers, cushions etc are all made of lightweight fabric or plastics which float.

Seat covers and cushions eventually become sodden and sink, as for any items that would float such as bottles, cups and bits of fuselage would have been spread over a wide are by now making it difficult to distinguish between them and much other rubbish. Besides the Indian Ocean is very big place.

There's zero evidence that MH 370 crashed at sea.

All the search areas have yielded no airplane debris, but plenty of other flotsam.

To suggest that MH 370 seat cushions and styrofoam packing (insulation) GRP lining etc would just get water-logged and sink in record time is simply a fallacy.

Originally Posted by ENT

All the search areas have yielded no airplane debris, but plenty of other flotsam.

That "flotsam" is moving at about 2 kt both away from and into the "search area"

By the time the search finally got started in the areas determined by the Inmarsat theory, any debris from the plane would have been long gone.....and quite likely replaced by debris from somewhere else. At 2kt a piece of debris could have travelled up to 50 miles or so....in two weeks it could be up to 700 miles away.

Comparisons have been suggested with the Air France crash in the Atlantic; but it went down on the edge of the ITC (Intra tropical convergence) in an area that lies between ocean currents and also has long periods of calm with very little wind.
Debris would not travel far under such conditions.......but the southern ocean is a very different place with wind driven surface current as well as under laying ocean current.

These are some of the many reasons why this search is so difficult. Just about everything is loaded against the searchers, including the obvious uncertainty of the plane being in the area being searched. They still have not searched Inmarsat's "hot spot" because they went chasing pings hundreds of miles from it.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

How about thiatangle? It's another one of your ridiculous conspiratorial fairy stories.

Thiatangle?

WTF? Another one of your favourite dreams?

Something like the flying bus you dreamed up about at WTC?

A simple typo. Should have said "that angle".


But you probably knew that.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Koojo

It's unbelievable to me that a piece of flotsam hasn't washed up somewhere, not one single piece.

The problem is that most of it would have sunk, and any bits that are left probably look the same as the thousands of tons of other crap that's floating out there.

Remember they found a whole frigging liferaft floating at sea that turned out to be from a ship?

Bollix, harry.

A plane ain't made of lead, it's fuselage skin, interior lining, seats covers, cushions etc are all made of lightweight fabric or plastics which float.

The bits that would sink would have to be attached to metal and other non-buoyant parts of the plane.

If the plane crashed into the sea, there would have been sufficient force on impact to separate most of the heavy parts from the lighter fuselage skin interior and the least we'd find would be seat cushions and other sections of GRP, etc, water bottles, and other containers, all pretty much in one general area, where the supposedly "pinging" black box recorder could also be found.

No debris at all is a nonsense.

Originally Posted by ENT

There's zero evidence that MH 370 crashed at sea.

All the search areas have yielded no airplane debris, but plenty of other flotsam.

To suggest that MH 370 seat cushions and styrofoam packing (insulation) GRP lining etc would just get water-logged and sink in record time is simply a fallacy.

The only fallacy are your ridiculous post! Where did anybody say anything sank in record time? Have you forgotten the authorities spent several days searching the South China sea at that time oblivious to where the plane last was? The point about seat cushions sinking was made by an aviation expert which you are not!

Do you actually realize just how big an area the Indian Ocean actually is, from your posts I guess not. Get it straight the plane did not land in Diego Garcia and did not fly over those countries to the north, it would have been blasted out of the sky. Furthermore if anybody was still alive there would have been contact by now. However, carry on posting your crap some of us can do with a good laugh.