Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by Mid

Najib lamented that the industry did not implement recommendations of investigators of the Air France 447 that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, "that would help search teams quickly locate a crash site and reach any survivors."

Well considering "the industry" includes his own state-owned fecking airline, he's being a bit dim isn't he?

It seems there is still conjecture about the pings :


Confusion over MH370 flight recorders

• STEVE CREEDY
• The Australian
• May 14, 2014 12:00AM

THE authority charged with conducting a multi-million-dollar search for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet has moved to hose down suggestions that a key assumption about signals from the aircraft’s flight data recorders may be incorrect.

Doubts about the origin of the signals detected during a sweep of the Indian Ocean for the aircraft’s “black boxes’’ emerged in The Wall Street Journal yesterday when the captain of Ocean Shield, the Australian vessel that has been scouring the ocean for the lost plane, indicated some of the signals might not have come from the flight recorders.
The paper reported that Commander James Lybrand told it authorities were increasingly considering only the two transmissions on April 5 as relevant to the search and that further analysis of signals sent on April 8 had led to doubts they were from a man-made device. This was because the 27kHz transmissions on April 8 were much lower than the 37.5kHz frequency that beacons were designed to emit.
“As far as frequency goes, between 33kHz and 27 kHz is a pretty large jump,” Commander Lybrand said.
The April 5 transmissions were also lower at 33kHz, but officials told the paper this anomaly could have been caused by weakening batteries and the deep sea conditions.
However, the Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre said analysis of all four detections was continuing.
“It is too early to discount any of the acoustic detections,’’ it said.
“As Air Chief Marshal (Angus) Houston has said, the four signals taken together constitute the most promising lead we have in the search for MH370. We continue to pursue this lead to either discount or confirm the area of the detections as the final resting place of MH370.’’
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Originally Posted by Necron99

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Last news item I read (I believe it was The New Straits Times) was a new directive had been issued to all MAS flight crew which states that whenever a pilot leaves the cockpit for whatever reason a member of the cabin crew must accompany the remaining pilot. I don't know if that is true or not but if so maybe somebody knows something we don't.

This has been a requirement ever since 9-11 and the installation of reinforced cockpit doors.

With the new reinforced cockpit doors you can never have just one person in the cockpit. Imagine if a lone pilot has a stroke and dies with the cockpit door locked. You need a trolly dolly in there to let the other pilot back in. Common sense really. Does Malaysia Air have the same rule? Who knows...

The cabin crew have a code to open the door in such a case.

When I was working for United Airlines none of our aircraft had such a feature... Our doors looked much like this example from Jet Blue:

I don't usually worry about much, but with that, if one pilot has a medical crisis while the other is taking a dump, everyone dies? Brilliant, wonder what it will take to change that.

^ Gonna need to put a bog & bunks in the pilot's section.

I have seen them key in numbers or letters on a pad to go in and out of the flight deck door.

Book suggests missing Malaysian airliner accidentally shot down
May 18, 2014

Sydney - The first book about missing flight MH370 suggests it may have been shot down during a military exercise and the accident is being covered up, it was reported Sunday.

Flight MH370 - the Mystery, written by Anglo-American author Nigel Cawthorne, cites anonymous sources to suggest that misinformation was released so the search would concentrate on the wrong area, The Sun-Herald newspaper reported.

The book published by Sydney group New South cites a claim by New Zealander Mike McKay that he saw a burning plane from the oil rig he was working on in the Gulf of Thailand on March 8, the day the plane went missing.

Cawthorne links the supposed sighting to joint US military exercises in the region at the time.

Cawthorne writes if MH370 was accidentally shot down during live fire exercises "those involved would have every reason to keep quiet about it."

He even suggests that if a flight black box is found it could be a fake planted by those involved in the coverup. But, he added, "I’m not saying that’s what happened." The book goes on sale Monday.

nationmultimedia.com

How many gullible muppets are going to buy that I wonder.

Originally Posted by nevets

I have seen them key in numbers or letters on a pad to go in and out of the flight deck door.

Me too.

Originally Posted by Mid

The book published by Sydney group New South cites a claim by New Zealander Mike McKay that he saw a burning plane from the oil rig he was working on in the Gulf of Thailand on March 8, the day the plane went missing.

This account has been puzzling me. If McKay didn't see MH370 then what did he see? Then there are the supposed sightings over the Maldives..what did those people see? Just how many Malaysian planes did go missing 1, 2, 3?

^Apparently only one that really mattered...

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by Mid

The book published by Sydney group New South cites a claim by New Zealander Mike McKay that he saw a burning plane from the oil rig he was working on in the Gulf of Thailand on March 8, the day the plane went missing.

This account has been puzzling me. If McKay didn't see MH370 then what did he see? Then there are the supposed sightings over the Maldives..what did those people see? Just how many Malaysian planes did go missing 1, 2, 3?

he didn't say he saw a burning plane, he saw a burning object....
Meteorite perhaps?

In any event, of all the scenarios, this is the worst.
If it was shot down, where's the wreckage?

May 19, 2014 - 10:08 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - A Chinese navy survey ship will start mapping the seabed off the west Australian coast this week as part of the latest phase in the search for the Malaysian airliner, officials said Monday, May 19, according to the Associated Press.
Chinese, Australian and Malaysian authorities met at the west coast port city of Fremantle at the weekend and agreed that the Chinese ship Zhu Kezhen will conduct a bathymetric survey of the Indian Ocean floor as directed by Australian air crash investigators, Australia's Joint Agency Coordination Center said in a statement.
The Canberra-based center said the ship was scheduled to sail for the survey area on Wednesday, weather permitting.
Officials believe the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 that vanished with 239 passengers and crew on March 8 during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing veered far off course and crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.
After an initial air and seabed search failed to find any trace of the wreckage, authorities this month announced a new phase over a vastly expanded seabed search area covering 60,000 square kilometers (23,000 square miles). The new phase also involves mapping of the seabed where depths and topography are in parts largely unknown.
Negotiations are underway to contract powerful sonar equipment to scour the seabed for wreckage that could be in water more than 7 kilometers (23,000 feet) deep.
The original ocean floor search of an area of less than 400 square kilometers (155 square miles) where a sound consistent with aircraft black box was thought to have emanated was conducted by a U.S. Navy unmanned sub, the Bluefin 21, near its 4.5 kilometer (2.8 mile) depth limit.
The Bluefin 21 had continued searching an ever widening area until a communications problem was discovered last week involving the transponders on the sub and the Australian navy ship that tows it, Ocean Shield.
The center said the Ocean Shield arrived on Sunday at the Australian west coast port of Geraldton, where preparations were underway to install spare transponder parts to both the ship and sub.

Chinese navy survey ship to map seabed in Malaysian plane search - PanARMENIAN.Net

Watch ENT magically become an expert interpreter of satellite data based on some weirdo's blog he reads the day after it comes out.

Malaysia to Release Satellite Data on Missing MH370
Malaysia has bowed to pressure from the from the families of passengers on missing flight MH370 and will publicly release the Inmarsat satellite data used to narrow down the search area.

Some relatives of the 239 passengers on the missing jet plane have demanded raw data from the U.K. satellite firm be released for independent analysis amid questions about how the investigation has been conducted.

In an open letter sent earlier this month to the leaders of Malaysia, China and Australia, the relatives questioned how authorities could be certain the Boeing 777 had crashed into the Indian Ocean after vanishing without a trace on March 8. No wreckage has been found.

“In light of the recent demands by the Next of Kin (NOK) for the Inmarsat ‘raw data’, I have instructed the Malaysian Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) to discuss with Inmarsat on the release of the aforementioned data for public consumption,” defense minister Hishammuddin Hussein said late Monday in a statement.

“This is consistent with our stand for greater transparency and prioritizing the interests of the family members of those on board MH370.”

It did not say when the data will be released.

Signals from the satellite data suggest MH370 veered off course and ended up in the Indian Ocean after it went missing while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, according to the Malaysian government.

Alastair Jamieson

First published May 20th 2014, 11:05 am

Malaysia to Release Satellite Data on Missing MH370 - NBC News

Missing yacht found in Atlantic.
This mystery has replace the plain mystery on the British News.

^ Well they've found the hull and the liferaft had not been deployed, so I'm guessing the next you hear on this story will be the memorial service.

Looks like the keel snapped off, poor sods probably never had a chance.

(Reuters) - Major airlines are united on the need for real-time tracking of commercial aircraft following the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines (MASM.KL) Flight MH370 and have not raised cost as a concern, a senior official with the United Nations' aviation agency said on Monday.

Member countries of the International Civil Aviation Organization's (ICAO) governing council agreed earlier this month on the need for global tracking, although they did not commit to a binding solution or timeline.

Instead, the global airline industry group, International Air Transport Association (IATA), agreed to come up with proposals for better tracking by the end of September. IATA said its members would implement measures voluntarily, before any rules were in place.

"In principle the community has agreed. There's no question this is something we need to do," Nancy Graham, director of ICAO's Air Navigation Bureau, told reporters in Kuala Lumpur.

"We are developing the voluntary path and a rule for the future. We intend to have regulation to support that globally."

Asked whether the cost of implementing new standards was a stumbling block for airlines, Graham said: "Not at all, they're absolutely in solidarity. There's no price you can put on safety or certainty on where the aircraft are."

Graham was speaking at the start of a two-day experts' conference sponsored by Malaysia's government on real-time monitoring of flight data.

Malaysia has joined calls for reforms to the way commercial jetliners are tracked after MH370, a Boeing (BA.N) 777 jet, vanished from civilian radar screens less than an hour after take-off from Kuala Lumpur en route to Beijing on March 8.

Malaysian investigators suspect someone shut off MH370's data links making the plane impossible to track, prompting the country's Prime Minister Najib Razak to call for ICAO to adopt real-time tracking of civilian aircraft.

MH370 is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean off Australia. But no trace has been found since it went missing with 239 people on board, despite the most intensive search in commercial aviation history.

Questions have been raised over how fast regulators can act on tracking due to possible resistance to some measures from manufacturers and airlines.

A European proposal to increase the maximum amount of recording time on cockpit voice recorders to 20 hours from two hours ran into opposition from Airbus (AIR.PA) and pilot groups.

Some pilots expressed concerns about longer recordings, saying they could be misused by employers, released without their authorisation or used in court without their permission.

If found, the voice recorders on MH370 will contain recordings of only the last two hours of the flight, which would be several hours after the plane disappeared from radar off Malaysia's east coast.

Graham denied there had been a lack of urgency in implementing flight-tracking reforms following the 2009 crash of an Air France (AIRF.PA) jetliner in the Atlantic Ocean, and said tracking would not have prevented the MH370 disaster.

"Global tracking would not have prevented this incident," she said. "We don't know right now what caused this accident."

Airlines not worried about cost of real-time aircraft tracking - U.N. official | Reuters

MH370 isn't and wasn't the only one.

Into missing aircraft this ones worth a watch. Better to download but...

I'd heard of that, but one of the replies on that particular page says :

Your mystery regarding STENDEC is not a mystery at all. It is standard radiotelephony (Morse in 1947). I am a retired senior manager with the Federal Aviation Administration (Air Traffic Control). Many years before my career with the FAA, I was an Instructor Pilot with the United States Airforce. Years before that I was trained in Instrument Flight Rules flight by an old Army Air Corps Flight Instructor, who was 85 years old when he taught me and had taught and flown in Britian during WWII. His pilot's license was signed by Wilbur Wright, the first Administrator of the C.A.A. (the predecessor of the FAA). He knew everything there was to know about flying and aviation, and I valued my time with him. I learned things about aviation from this man that I have never heard anywhere else, before or since. These "jewels of knowledge" have remained with me 'till this day.

S.T.E.N.D.E.C. is purely British. In American Radio Telephony, the equivalent term is: B.O.D., "Beginning of Descent." In British Radio Telephony it's: "STARTING ENROUTE DESCENT" (S.T.E.N.D.E.C.). As soon as I heard this during the broadcast of your program, I recognized it immediately. I am rather surprised that a British aviator hasn't come forward with an explanation of this. Perhaps it hasn't been exposed to a British aviator of the period.

Aviation is sprinkled with acronyms. Many of these acronyms can be very obscure, until you associate yourself with those in the business. Many aviators engaged in the business today aren't even familiar with many of these "older" terms that were in use before modern radio navigation aids and radios. I also began to learn the control of air traffic, with some of these old acronyms. These acronyms mentioned above were quite common in the days when I learned to fly. I still have aviation charts that would have been current when Stardust went down. Things were vastly different in aviation in those days.

Jesus ! I broke the page....Sorry about that, fellas.

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia--Raw satellite data released Tuesday by Malaysian authorities and a separate report issued by Australian accident investigators offered fresh support for views that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 went down in a remote section of the Indian Ocean after running out of fuel.

The 45 pages of raw data--detailed communication logs between the aircraft and a satellite--were provided to the Department of Civil Aviation of Malaysia by satellite firm Inmarsat PLC. The released documents also include a two-page summary prepared by Inmarsat experts explaining how to read tables.

The release follows demands by the families of some of the 239 passengers and crew on Flight 370 to open analysis of the flight path to other experts. However, some family members were unhappy that the data and summary were difficult to understand.

"We do not understand the report. We need an expert to explain it to us, " Sahril Shaari, the cousin of Muhammad Razahan Zamani, who was on Flight 370, told The Wall Street Journal.

Jonathan Galaviz, who heads the aviation practice at consulting firm Global Market Advisors, lauded the effort by Malaysia to be transparent and said the raw data will help universities or individual experts independently verify the analysis.

"The frustration (of families) is understandable. But no matter which way the government turns, it will be subject to criticism," Mr. Galaviz said by telephone.

The summary notes are generally consistent with earlier public statements by investigators and Inmarsat, and don't appear to shed new light on the techniques experts used to chart the presumed path of the jetliner after it veered off course, disappeared from radar and went missing in the early hours of March 8.

Investigators, including those from the United Kingdom, Australia and the U.S. have relied on Inmarsat data to conclude that the Boeing Co. 777 jet flew to the remote southern Indian Ocean, thousands of miles off course and far from any land mass, and then crashed after likely running out of fuel.

Investigators are still poring over the data in their effort to narrow down the search area, Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's defense and acting transport minister, told reporters on Monday. International experts have stood behind their calculations after repeated reviews of the satellite signals, and assumptions for flight speed, altitude and fuel consumption.

No flight-related debris has been found, even after a massive search involving 26 nations. The search for the missing aircraft will now focus on mapping the ocean floor around the area where experts believe Flight 370 crashed.

The long-awaited release of the data coincides with separate but similar explanations released by Australian air-accident investigators. Those documents included a few more details about the presumed accuracy of the series of so-called "digital handshakes" between the jet and a satellite orbiting more than 22,000 miles above the earth.

These results underscore investigators' confidence in the technical analysis that underpins plans for a retooled search, expected to begin this summer. But based on skeptics' previous reactions to the release of data, the information could provide ammunition for criticism.

According to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, the possible path of the jet--sketched by a composite of satellite signals, calculations by Inmarsat and other experts and other jet signals--ultimately were determined by experts to be accurate to about 10 kilometers.

Included in Inmarsat's data are two items likely to attract attention from outsiders trying to understand the sequence of events. The transmission log shows that roughly two hours after takeoff--by which time the plane's routine satellite-messaging system had stopped functioning--Inmarsat's system documented a "ground initiated" telephone call to the aircraft.

Investigators have said the system was deliberately turned off.

Fresh Support Released That Malaysian Airlines Jet Ended in Indian Ocean - WSJ.com

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by Mid

The book published by Sydney group New South cites a claim by New Zealander Mike McKay that he saw a burning plane from the oil rig he was working on in the Gulf of Thailand on March 8, the day the plane went missing.

This account has been puzzling me. If McKay didn't see MH370 then what did he see? Then there are the supposed sightings over the Maldives..what did those people see? Just how many Malaysian planes did go missing 1, 2, 3?

he didn't say he saw a burning plane, he saw a burning object....
Meteorite perhaps?

In any event, of all the scenarios, this is the worst.
If it was shot down, where's the wreckage?

Besides there have been accidents in the past with far greater potential consequences and at least when it was the US it was not covered up..

The locked door scenario is very distressing to think about though. I took a flight with Air Asia several years ago from Phuket to Bangkok and I was sitting right next to this nice Middle Eastern gent and as we took off we both noticed the cock pit door wide open for at least 20 minutes of the flight until one of the hostesses finally closed it after over-hearing the both of us discussing why it was open? Quite a concern that.
He says to me "if I see anyone heading for the door who doesn't work for the airline I'm jumping him, are you with me?". He was in the isle seat just so you know ..

Pings not from MH370 black box: US Navy official
Underwater signals that focused the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are no longer believed to have come from the black box, according to a US Navy official.

The Bluefin-21, operating from the Australian navy’s Ocean Shield vessel, has been searching a remote area of the Indian Ocean where four acoustic transmissions, believed to have come from the aircraft's black box, were detected in early April.

The US Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering Michael Dean told CNN there was now broad agreement that they came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jet that disappeared on March 8 carrying 239 people.

A number of undersea recorders have been carefully checked by an Australian team to see if any sounds could be linked to missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.
Curtin University's Centre for Marine Science and Technology maintains a number of undersea sound recorders with hydrophones around the Australian coast.
When satellite data showed the missing airliner had tracked south into the Indian Ocean, researchers at the centre asked whether the crash could have been recorded on one of their devices.
"We decided it would be worthwhile to retrieve one of those recorders that potentially could have picked up signals from the aircraft hitting the water," said Alec Duncan, a senior lecturer and research fellow at the centre.
That recorder was located off Rottnest Island near Perth, and the initial review of the data was encouraging.
"There was one, possibly two signals in that data that were reasonably consistent in terms of when they occurred with what we knew about the aircraft," he said.
But apart from a recording of the sound and the time it arrived, there was little information in the signal. There were no details of the sound's distance or direction.
To assess if it was the crash of MH370, the university team needed more data.

They turned to a different source, a set of hydrophones off Cape Leeuwin maintained as a listening station under the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
"We found a signal which was consistent with the one that we'd seen on our own recorder," Dr Duncan said.
The signal also gave them a bearing showing the direction from which the sound originated - the Indian Ocean.
The next challenge was to calculate the distance to see whether the sound's point of origin fell within the predicted flight path of the missing airliner.

Sound placed deep in Indian Ocean

By cross-checking the arrival times of the sound at the Rottnest and Cape Leeuwin recorders, the team was able to calculate a distance that placed the sound deep in the Indian Ocean.
The team reported their findings to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.
But the calculations were complex and the margin for error significant, creating a large degree of uncertainty about the precise location of the sound.
"We can give a reasonably good bearing for that noise but we have a very large uncertainty in the range direction," Dr Duncan said.
Even with that uncertainty, he said the estimated range to the source places it well outside the current predicted flight path of MH370.
"Unfortunately, it now looks as though that's not consistent with the other information they have about the aircraft," Dr Duncan said.
The predicted flight path of MH370 showed an arc of travel into the southern Indian Ocean, more than 1,000 kilometres off the coast of WA, some time on the morning of March 8.
The sound recorded by Curtin University presents two conflicts with that data.
"The time of the [sound] event is a bit too late," Dr Duncan said.
"But you can explain that away by saying well, maybe it wasn't the impact itself. Maybe we heard something in the aircraft imploding as it sank."

Searchers no closer to finding missing airliner

The calculated distance to the source of the sound posed another problem.
The researcher's calculations placed it "thousands of kilometres" beyond the predicted flight path.
Dr Duncan said it was still "slightly possible" that the sound was made by the plane crashing.
"Well, I think it's only possible if there's a problem with some of the other data that they have," he said.
He said the predicted flight path calculated from the Inmarsat satellite data would have to be wrong for the sound recording to be right.
"It's quite possible that the sound signal is unrelated to the aircraft," Dr Duncan said.
"There are natural seismic processes and things like that can produce signals that are similar to the signal we detected on these receivers."
While the undersea recorders offered initial promise, they have brought searchers no closer to finding the missing airliner.
Dr Duncan said the team's current conclusion was that the sound was probably not from the crashing aircraft.
"Everybody would love this to be related to MH370 because it would give them a cross bearing [on the predicted flight path] and that would vastly reduce their search areas," Dr Duncan said.
"But unfortunately it's not really looking that way at the moment."


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23953886...f-plane-crash/

Like I said before, CIA nicked the plane.