Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

I think everybody is being a bit hard on Malaysia.
They have never had a crisis like this, they have limited or no data to work with.

they have consistently been giving out information and then contradicting that information shortly afterwards.

their press conferences are shambolic and they have no data because their people were asleep on the job. the military people are not co-ordinating with the civil authorities or the authorities of other countries involved in the search.

this, a year before asean kicks off remember.

they NEED to be humiliated in front of the world over this failure to deliver, not failure to deliver the plane, but failure to deliver a co-ordinated response to the crisis.

the farce with the witch and his coconuts says it all about these countries.

punching way above their weight in the modern world. they have the money, but little else.

^Totally agree. Can't damn them for not finding the plane yet - but you can for looking like fools.

Originally Posted by sabang

Wotif the plane were gassed?

So the gas would turn off the transponders would it?

Originally Posted by Necron99

Personally, I think this supports the pilot guys theory on slow decompression causing them to all black out and a plane full of brain dead passengers and crew just flying on until the fuel ran out.

That scenario crossed my mind too, but why was the transponder turned off if that were the case?

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

There are shots of the Air france plane going down minus its tail taken by a soon to die passenger.

That's quite a feat considering the aircraft hit the sea in one piece.

Believe everything you read, do you?

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Necron99

Personally, I think this supports the pilot guys theory on slow decompression causing them to all black out and a plane full of brain dead passengers and crew just flying on until the fuel ran out.

That scenario crossed my mind too, but why was the transponder turned off if that were the case?

The air safety directive for the 777 said the satcoms antenna was causing rips in the skin. Assuming it was leaking and then it moved enough to break or dislodge it's connecting wires and all coms go out, including the transponders. The disoriented pilots could have realized there was a problem and dived the plane and set course back to Malaysia, perhaps broadcasting a mayday or alert, but not realizing the messages were not getting through. And then, succumbed to hypoxia before being able to don mask..
It also gels with the Vietnamese pilot who tried to contact them on VHF.

Good article here. Was there a problem with the MH370 Boeing 777-200 aircraft? | Lowyat.NET

BBC News - Malaysia Airlines: What we know about flight MH370

More on here as everyone wonders what happened?

Originally Posted by Necron99

and dived the plane and set course back to Malaysia

the engine data records and sends altitude - it would show

watch todays press conference live, 4.30pm thai time, (in ten minutes)


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Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Necron99

and dived the plane and set course back to Malaysia

the engine data records and sends altitude - it would show

And Rolls Royce aren't saying much about that. You would think that aas soon as an alert went out RR would have checked the engine transmissions and started giving comment. The engines report every 30 minutes.

Originally Posted by Necron99

The disoriented pilots could have realized there was a problem

and put on their oxygen masks

Originally Posted by Necron99

The reality is that they were all dead the second the plane went off radar,

I disagree.
This is where they went off the radar:



but surely every single flight that takes that path goes off the radar there ?
that's just the edge of the radar coverage from Malaysia , and they are flying into an area not covered by any radar.

Who can disable the transponder? The pilot.
Who can disable or not maintain voice contact. The pilot
Who can change the course of the aircraft. The pilot.

He flew it to north Korea!

Just our neighbourhood theory.

much better performance by the malaysians at the press conference today.

answering questions confidently and clarifying a lot of discrepancies.

no engine data received by rolls royce.

Originally Posted by taxexile

much better performance by the malaysians at the press conference today.

answering questions confidently and clarifying a lot of discrepancies.

no engine data received by rolls royce.

I think they have discovered something called a PR company. Maybe not, I don't know what they are finding funny.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by Necron99

The reality is that they were all dead the second the plane went off radar,

I disagree.
This is where they went off the radar:



but surely every single flight that takes that path goes off the radar there ?
that's just the edge of the radar coverage from Malaysia , and they are flying into an area not covered by any radar.

If every plane went of radar there they would not have started panicking would they?
Transponders broadcast all the time and when not in radar range use a different linked system to supply information ads-b that is picked up by all nearby groundstations and other planes. So even when out of the home airports traffic control radar, they still get information from the plane.

And still no mikes for people asking questions.

Useless cnuts.

Great, and when someone asks a question loud enough to hear, the stupid bitch on Sky talks over it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And still no mikes for people asking questions.

Useless cnuts.

Great, and when someone asks a question loud enough to hear, the stupid bitch on Sky talks over it.

The Malaysians were much better in this one. But Harry's points are very valid - had no idea in most cases what had been asked.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Necron99

The disoriented pilots could have realized there was a problem

and put on their oxygen masks

I've seen nasa training docos where they give them low O2 air and ask them to do simple tasks, they get messed up pretty quickly.
In a slow leak situation by the time you realize there is a problem you are already messed up and not thinking clearly. It would be worse too, if the pilots where smoking, they would be the first to be effected.

This is from the NTSB report on Paine Stewarts' Lear Jet which flew across the state with a brain dead crew and passenger load.

"Investigations of other accidents in which flight crews attempted to diagnose a pressurization problem or initiate emergency pressurization instead of immediately donning oxygen masks following a cabin altitude alert have revealed that, even with a relatively gradual rate of depressurization, pilots have rapidly lost cognitive or motor abilities to effectively troubleshoot the problem or don their masks shortly thereafter. In this accident, the flight crew’s failure to obtain supplemental oxygen in time to avoid incapacitation could be explained by a delay in donning oxygen masks of only a few seconds in the case of an explosive or rapid decompression or a slightly longer delay in the case of a gradual decompression.
In summary, the Safety Board was unable to determine why the flight crew could not, or did not, receive supplemental oxygen in sufficient time and/or adequate concentration to avoid hypoxia and incapacitation."

Originally Posted by Necron99

Good article here. Was there a problem with the MH370 Boeing 777-200 aircraft? | Lowyat.NET

Very plausible theory in this link. Thanks for sharing.

if the pilots where smoking, they would be the first to be effected.

if they were smoking when the oxygen masks came down they would be on fire !