John Edwards (D)

**barbaro** · 11-05-2007, 09:03 PM

I do not like Edwards at all. Here are some of the reasons below this article:

WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate John Edwards is offering more policy proposals than any other candidate in the primary and his ideas are winning loud applause from Democratic audiences.

The question is whether other voters will cheer when they see the price tag — more than $125 billion a year.

Edwards is quick to acknowledge his spending on health care, energy and poverty reduction comes at a cost,

Money "spent" to reduce poverty? No thanks.

Been tried, and failed before.

with more plans to come. All told, his proposals would equal more than $1 trillion if he could get them enacted into law and operational during two White House terms.
To put the number in perspective, President Bush has dedicated more than $1.8 trillion to tax cuts. The cost of the Iraq war is nearing $450 billion. And this year's federal budget is about $2.8 trillion

Edwards says fixing the country's problems takes precedence over eliminating the deficit or offering middle-class tax relief like he proposed when running for president in the last election.

I think for me, as opposed to the additional tax relief for the middle class, what's more important is to give them relief from the extraordinary cost of health care, from gasoline prices, the things that they spend money on every single day that are escalating dramatically," Edwards said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.

To pay for some of his priorities, Edwards would roll back Bush's tax cuts on Americans making more than $200,000 a year. He also said he would consider raising capital gains taxes

"Consider" means, yes, he will.

to help fund his plans and raise or eliminate the $90,000 cap on individual earnings subject to Social Security taxes to help cover the projected shortfall in the system.

Link & Entire: John Edwards' big ideas costly - Yahoo! News

**GooMaiRoo** · 13-05-2007, 09:02 PM

^Good critique that raises serious questions. In Edward's defense, tax savings from ending the war in Iraq would seem to cancel out the increased spending. If the government is going to take our money, I'd rather see them spend it domestically. But I'm glad your digging beneath the surface on this guy. He seemed better than the other leading Democratic candidates, but now I'm not so sure.

**Boon Mee** · 14-05-2007, 12:12 AM

See the thread I started on John Edward's neighbor. Not only is JE a toss-pot but his wife is a real piece of work too.

He's not a serious candidate...

**barbaro** · 14-05-2007, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

^Good critique that raises serious questions. In Edward's defense, tax savings from ending the war in Iraq would seem to cancel out the increased spending. If the government is going to take our money, I'd rather see them spend it domestically. But I'm glad your digging beneath the surface on this guy. He seemed better than the other leading Democratic candidates, but now I'm not so sure.

Yes FP,

I want to focus on the policies.....the meat..

After reading this article and doing a little research (that I hope to corroborate) I definitely don't like this guy.

He's also using the "money saved from Iraq" to "do this and that."

Yes, I'd like to see more spending on....god forbid.....American citizens..

But this "save" here and there to "spend" on this and that is till: spending!

And Boon Mee,

I thought about putting this article in your 'neighbor thread' but since the title and topic was about his and his wife's neighbor, I decided not to.

No slight intended.

--MM

**Boon Mee** · 14-05-2007, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

No slight intended.

None taken

**raycarey** · 14-05-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

He's not a serious candidate

he has the support of labor, and therefore cannot be discounted.

if he gets the nomination (unlikely), he'll beat any republican.

**Boon Mee** · 14-05-2007, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

if he gets the nomination (unlikely), he'll beat any republican.

Only in North Carolina...

**Boon Mee** · 25-05-2007, 11:45 PM

Here's another reason not to like Edwards:

"Bob Shrum, the famed consultant to a string of failed Democratic presidential candidates, including Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004, seems determined to embarrass his former client and current presidential hopeful John Edwards in the forthcoming book "No Excuses: Confessions of a Serial Campaigner," the New Republic's Michael Crowley writes at The New Republic Online
Mr. Shrum's book "repeatedly portrays Edwards as a hyper-ambitious phony," Mr. Crowley said.
For example, Mr. Shrum says Mr. Kerry had qualms about choosing Mr. Edwards to be his presidential running mate in 2004, but grew "even queasier" after Mr. Edwards said he was going to share a story with Mr. Kerry he had never told anyone else — that after his son, Wade, had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home and hugged his body and promised that he would do all he could to make life better for people.
"Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before — and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again."
Mr. Shrum says that, in the end, Mr. Kerry "wished that he'd never picked Edwards, that he should have gone with his gut" and selected former Rep. Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri."

**sabang** · 26-05-2007, 04:34 AM

Must say though, he's quite a handsome fellow and that seems to go far in contemporary politics.
Why not use the same formula- dumbass Talking Head, Ugly but literate VP.
Worked for Dick and Jr. Maybe John & Hillary?

**barbaro** · 26-05-2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Here's another reason not to like Edwards:

"Bob Shrum, the famed consultant to a string of failed Democratic presidential candidates, including Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004, seems determined to embarrass his former client and current presidential hopeful John Edwards in the forthcoming book "No Excuses: Confessions of a Serial Campaigner," the New Republic's Michael Crowley writes at The New Republic Online
Mr. Shrum's book "repeatedly portrays Edwards as a hyper-ambitious phony," Mr. Crowley said.
For example, Mr. Shrum says Mr. Kerry had qualms about choosing Mr. Edwards to be his presidential running mate in 2004, but grew "even queasier" after Mr. Edwards said he was going to share a story with Mr. Kerry he had never told anyone else — that after his son, Wade, had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home and hugged his body and promised that he would do all he could to make life better for people.
"Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before — and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again."
Mr. Shrum says that, in the end, Mr. Kerry "wished that he'd never picked Edwards, that he should have gone with his gut" and selected former Rep. Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri."

Yes, this Bob Shrum doesn't like Edwards. I don't know how Edwards ever got as far as he did. Kerry should've picked someone else.

**raycarey** · 26-05-2007, 04:44 PM

now boonie is citing the opinions of bob shrum?

**Boon Mee** · 09-06-2007, 10:31 AM

Edwards, ever the smug, is a one term Senator who was so far behind in the polls he didn't even bother to attempt a second term in his home state of North Carolina - thinks he has a chance in ’08…

**barbaro** · 09-06-2007, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Edwards, ever the smug, is a one term Senator who was so far behind in the polls he didn't even bother to attempt a second term in his home state of North Carolina - thinks he has a chance in ’08…

No I don't, Boon.

I don't think Edwards is a serious contender at all. I think he'll fade in the coming months.

**raycarey** · 09-06-2007, 12:03 PM

i disagree.

he has his weaknesses, but in the words of ghwb, it 'wouldn't be prudent' to count him out.

his numbers may drop in the coming months....but he'll still be around this time in '08. as you know, in american politics that's almost forever....many things can happen between now and then.....and one of them is going to be that his wife dies of cancer. i don't know much about her or their relationship, but in the end--and especially with him being as slick as he is--- her death will help his short term polling numbers and most certainly re-invigorate his campaign staff-which is, of course, vital in a long campaign like this.

healthcare is going to be the #2 issue in this election (particularly with michael moore's new doc 'sicko'----which even got a positive review from a foxnews entertainment reporter), and one of the strengths of his campaign is his position on healthcare. btw, the republican actor (who once played a senator) is very vulnerable on healthcare. he's going to get hammered if he really does get in the race---and i'm not entirely convinced that he will.....i wouldn't be surprised if he isn't simplying 'acting' as a potential candidate to raise his q rating so they'll ask him to be on 'meet the press' and 'the tonight show'.

i also think that a lot of the so-called 'reagan democrats' might vote for edwards in a general election...he's from the south, he's the right kind of christian, his wife died, he's rich and still seems to genuinely care about people---bill clintonesque---and he'll kill on oprah. alot of these women vote, and in addition to his looks, he says the right things about admitting past mistakes, asking for forgiveness, and looking for cooperation ....this is exactly what these soccer moms want to hear----along with 'i'll keep you safe'.

the right wing radicals keep claiming that edwards isn't a serious candidate and that hillary is the one they're worried about...because they know they have a chance against hillary in the '08 general election, but edwards would beat anyone they put up. anyone.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2007, 04:45 AM

Edwards Calls Coulter 'She-Devil'

Getting a little too hot for the Breck Girl is it?

Political Radar: Edwards Calls Coulter 'She-Devil'

Heh

**Mr Earl** · 19-08-2007, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Edwards, ever the smug, is a one term Senator who was so far behind in the polls he didn't even bother to attempt a second term in his home state of North Carolina - thinks he has a chance in ’08…

A couple of great haircuts.

I see why a poof like Ray likes them so much!

**sabang** · 19-08-2007, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Edwards Calls Coulter 'She-Devil'

Getting a little too hot for the Breck Girl is it?

Political Radar: Edwards Calls Coulter 'She-Devil'

Heh

Of course, if you're following the Coulter thread, you'll realise Ann handed Edwards a major Boon (pun intended) by describing him as a faggot, then wishing him killed by Terrorists. It's called Coulter Cash- well over half a million of it.

We'll see- I don't think it will turn his campaign around though.
I'll go for Hillary as the next, and first female, President.

**NathairCeann** · 26-08-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

See the thread I started on John Edward's neighbor. Not only is JE a toss-pot but his wife is a real piece of work too.

He's not a serious candidate...

Boon , that "neighbour" stuff struck me as trivial shit.

I think he is a serious candidate , I just don't expect him to get any further than he did last time.

**Boon Mee** · 26-08-2007, 05:52 PM

^
He wants to considered a 'serious' candidate but the odds are stacked against him. He's been cought out too many times recently being invested in companies/organizations that are polar opposite to what he preaches. He's most likely angling for a VP spot but none of the rest of the field will want him as their second in command.

**Boon Mee** · 18-11-2007, 05:13 AM

Here's the video that Edwards doesn't want you to see:

YouTube - Edwards Places Campaign Headquarters in NC

It would be bad news for Silky Pony if he had a snowballs chance in hades...

**raycarey** · 18-11-2007, 11:37 AM

boonie seems awfully preoccupied with edwards' appearance.

**Norton** · 18-11-2007, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

I'll go for Hillary as the next, and first female, President.

Aside from appearances, don't think her VP will matter much. Bill will effectively fill the role anyway. With the mess she is left to clean up she will need a lot of help. Biden for Secretary of State anyone?

**raycarey** · 18-11-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Biden for Secretary of State anyone?

if not her husband, then biden is the next best choice.

in the general election an edwards/obama ticket would be quite formidable.

**barbaro** · 18-11-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Norton

Biden for Secretary of State anyone?

if not her husband, then biden is the next best choice.

Thinking of Cabinet posts. Yes, this can be interesting.

in the general election an edwards/obama ticket would be quite formidable.

Could be. I don't see it happening, but could be. I still think it will be Hillary as the nominee. VP, no idea.

I haven't seen recent polls on Edwards. I assume he's slipping down a notch as the process continues. And I still don't like his capital gains tax increase from 15% to 28% and his idea of spending taxpayer money to alleviate poverty.

**chinthee** · 18-11-2007, 01:26 PM

^ I don't see any way Hilary would want Bill to serve in any official capacity, other than as chief of staff. Unofficially, of course he will be chief of staff, VP, Secretary of state and who knows what else, but he does have his pride as a former two-termer, and most importantly, he could be more effective by not being officially accountable to anyone.

I think he'll run around for the first year in some sort of shuttle diplomacy mode to try to repair all the broken relationships around the world.

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