Thread: IRS illegal ?

They get away with it through intimidation and deceit. They've managed to intimIdate and force employers to act as tax collectors and they sieze money from your paycheck before the so called tax is even due.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with government, apart from being chartered by Congress.

Regardless of the loons that suggest there is a Dept. of Treasury association....there isn't.

Private entity.
Americans have been hoodwinked for ages.

Sounds like a load of bollocks to me. Perfect for conspiracy nutters.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Sounds like a load of bollocks to me. Perfect for conspiracy nutters.

What's conspiratorial about it?

Didn't say it was. Said who it was perfect for.

Subtle difference, Jeff.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Has nothing whatsoever to do with government, apart from being chartered by Congress.

Regardless of the loons that suggest there is a Dept. of Treasury association....there isn't.

Private entity.
Americans have been hoodwinked for ages.

This is the Federal Reserve you are talking about, I assume.

The IRS's job is the collections agency to pay for the federal reserve.

There's no conspiracy theory about this - although I raised this subject a while ago and the OP will get bombarded by people who will have read Soros's Snopes on the matter, and will get all indignant about why they must pay taxes to fund the privately owned Fed.

Government needs a tax collection agency/ department, and I do not question the legitimacy of that. It is the IRS methods I and many others have a problem with, basically they are a law unto themselves, and I believe they break the law of the land- in many respects- on a regular basis.

If you are investigated, or arrested, by the police you have many rights, such as Miranda, etc etc. The IRS however, if it decides to get on your case for whatever reason, is as I said a law unto itself. You basically have no rights under their magnifying glass, be it to privacy, innocent until proven guilty, whatever. They really should be reined in. Few people who 'know' have anything good to say about the IRS.

What gets me about it they way they simply refuse to answer when asked by people to show them the law that says you must file a tax return and you must pay income tax
I could understand if the guy in this case was your typical conspiracy nutjob but he was a certified accountant and then worked at the very heart of the IIRS and he can't find any such law.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they simply refuse to answer

Yet, if you refuse to answer, you are treated worse than a criminal.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

What gets me about it they way they simply refuse to answer when asked by people to show them the law that says you must file a tax return and you must pay income tax
I could understand if the guy in this case was your typical conspiracy nutjob but he was a certified accountant and then worked at the very heart of the IIRS and he can't find any such law.

Where are they? Sorossnopes.com must be down because usually all of the usual "That's a conspiracy theory" muppets should have shouted you down by now.

They will argue the toss about the meaning of the word “voluntary". Mind you these are the same people who think the Private Federal Reserve is a good idea as well.

Dollar value 1913 = $1.
Dollar value in 2013 = $0.03

How's that private fed really working out for you all?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they simply refuse to answer

Yet, if you refuse to answer, you are treated worse than a criminal.

The system is based on so called voluntary compliance. If you refuse to comply in any way shape or form there is little they can do if you have your assets protected.
The very nature of signing the form 1040 is unconstitutional where it violates your with amendment right; that you cannot forced to bear witness against yourself.
The moment anyone signs any of their illegal forms they submit to the IRS jurisdiction.
http://www.abodia.com/irs/Tax_Is_Fraud.htm

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they simply refuse to answer

Yet, if you refuse to answer, you are treated worse than a criminal.

The system is based on so called voluntary compliance. If you refuse to comply in any way shape or form there is little they can do if you have your assets protected.
The very nature of signing the form 1040 is unconstitutional where it violates your with amendment right; that you cannot forced to bear witness against yourself.
The moment anyone signs any of their illegal forms they submit to the IRS jurisdiction.
Tax Is Fraud - 1040 Checkmate

Taxes have to be paid.
What would you suggest as a viable alternative to a tax return?
Tell the truth and you will have no problem, lie and be caught and you are is world of pain.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they simply refuse to answer

Yet, if you refuse to answer, you are treated worse than a criminal.

The system is based on so called voluntary compliance. If you refuse to comply in any way shape or form there is little they can do if you have your assets protected.
The very nature of signing the form 1040 is unconstitutional where it violates your with amendment right; that you cannot forced to bear witness against yourself.
The moment anyone signs any of their illegal forms they submit to the IRS jurisdiction.
Tax Is Fraud - 1040 Checkmate

Taxes have to be paid.
What would you suggest as a viable alternative to a tax return?
Tell the truth and you will have no problem, lie and be caught and you are is world of pain.

Certain taxes certainly have to be paid as there are laws that make people and companies LIABLE to pay them. There is no law that makes a person LIABLE to either fill in an income tax form or to pay income tax.
Thats the whole point of the argument.
What the American Government is doing is illegal otherwise they would simply show people the law that they say makes people Liable. They won't and they can't as there is no such law.

^ Internal Revenue Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You really think if it wasn't an enforceable code people would still pay?

Tax law has been challenged in courts up to the Supreme Court and failed.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Tax law has been challenged in courts up to the Supreme Court and failed.

Hmmm that really is a bit too naive even coming from you, skippy.

^ ok, courts not a good enough arbitrager of law?
I'm sure plenty of people have prayed not to pay taxes and god ignores them too.
Do you have an argument or any meaningful input or just tinfoil?

Originally Posted by Necron99

I'm sure plenty of people have prayed not to pay taxes and god ignores them too.
Do you have an argument or any meaningful input or just tinfoil?

It is about personal income tax, not about paying taxes. Unfortunately, you don't know what you are talking about. It came into being around the same time that the private Fed was set up. The Income tax basically takes money from tax payers and gives it to the bankers that own the private federal reserve in return for them creating money out of thin air which in turn devalues the value of the dollar. look a the IRS as the collections agency for the private federal bank and then you will see the light.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Taxes have to be paid.
What would you suggest as a viable alternative to a tax return?

I believe that no one would have such issues regarding taxes and whatnot.
It's how the taxes are misappropriated that might be in question.

In theory, taxes would cycle back into the public good, infrastructures, or commons, yes?

Unlike many "social" tax systems worldwide, the American system operates differently. For the few and not the masses.

And while we're at it - let's touch upon these taxes and how they are used.
Subsidizing, underwriting, and bailing-out corporations and financial institutions is a way of life. All of which, pay nominal or no taxes whatsoever.....while the larger percentile of struggling citizens pay through the nose.

American taxes also underwrite and maintain the mega-machinr that is the military - and continuous ventures worldwide. Unnecessary waste that could cycle back into public/domestic infrastructures [like social medical programs].

I thought it was common knowledge that there is no statute for Americans to pay tax to the largest terrorist agency in the world.