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Are you seeing some medical professionals about your moronic thoughts?

[BobR]

I support gun rights, but any sane person should realize that allowing anyone to carry a gun with no screening, licensing or training is nuts. Guess the gun nutters have finally reached even my limit

You have to at least attend a class to learn when you can legally use it and when you can't.


West Virginia Overrides Governor’s Veto To Pass Radical NRA-Backed Gun Law
BY SAMANTHA PAGE MAR 6, 2016 12:14 PM

Gun owners in West Virginia will no longer need to get a permit to have a concealed weapon, putting it among the most far-reaching states for gun rights. The House voted on the measure Friday and officially overrode a gubernatorial veto on Saturday.
The law, which does away with the permit and training program for people 21 and older who want to carry a concealed weapon, was supported by the National Rifle Association, but opposed by law enforcement across the state.

West Virginia Overrides Governor?s Veto To Pass Radical NRA-Backed Gun Law | ThinkProgress

[harrybarracuda]

I support gun rights, but any sane person should realize that allowing anyone to carry a gun with no screening, licensing or training is nuts. Guess the gun nutters have finally reached even my limit

You have to at least attend a class to learn when you can legally use it and when you can't.


West Virginia Overrides Governor’s Veto To Pass Radical NRA-Backed Gun Law
BY SAMANTHA PAGE MAR 6, 2016 12:14 PM

Gun owners in West Virginia will no longer need to get a permit to have a concealed weapon, putting it among the most far-reaching states for gun rights. The House voted on the measure Friday and officially overrode a gubernatorial veto on Saturday.
The law, which does away with the permit and training program for people 21 and older who want to carry a concealed weapon, was supported by the National Rifle Association, but opposed by law enforcement across the state.

West Virginia Overrides Governor?s Veto To Pass Radical NRA-Backed Gun Law | ThinkProgress

Are there still constraints on purchasing weapons?

If not they're just putting weapons in the pocket of every nutjob in the state. I would think the consequences will be inevitable.

Lost at pool? Pull your weapon.

Someone bump into your car? Tool up.

Voices in your head tell you someone is the Antichrist? Start shooting, boy.

[Davis Knowlton]

Are there still constraints on purchasing weapons?

Kinda. It's a Federal law, not State, that requires a background check prior to a gun shop selling a handgun. In practice, this means running the name through an FBI database. Pretty meaningless unless the buyer is a convicted felon.

Even more meaningless, in West Virginia no background check is required for a handgun transfer between two individuals. But sellers are encouraged not to sell to mean people.

[bsnub]

Even more meaningless, in West Virginia no background check is required for a handgun transfer between two individuals.

That is true of most states.

[Davis Knowlton]

^Yep. But this thread deals with West Virginia's latest insanity.

Just hit your local gun fair/swap meet and you're good to go.

[BobR]

Without any legal training whatsoever in West Virginia, it won't take long until someone shoots a misdemeanor criminal or fleeing non-violent felon and gets charged with murder. What will the NRA have to say then?

[harrybarracuda]

Without any legal training whatsoever in West Virginia, it won't take long until someone shoots a misdemeanor criminal or fleeing non-violent felon and gets charged with murder. What will the NRA have to say then?

I'm more concerned about the nutter who wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

[bsnub]

But this thread deals with West Virginia's latest insanity.

Hmm I thought this was a general gun issue thread....

Without any legal training whatsoever in West Virginia, it won't take long until someone shoots a misdemeanor criminal or fleeing non-violent felon and gets charged with murder.

Since when has this not been going down?

[Davis Knowlton]

^Same crap they always say.......I fear for the cops. One can hardly fault them for being quick on the draw when every individual with whom they have contact during a shift may well be packing a concealed weapon.

[harrybarracuda]

^Same crap they always say.......I fear for the cops. One can hardly fault them for being quick on the draw when every individual with whom they have contact during a shift may well be packing a concealed weapon.

Probably why they were mostly against it.

[BobR]

This is much better: A story with a happy ending brought to you by GUNS!

U.S.
Felon killed in botched jewelry store robbery linked to slaying of elderly couple
Los Angeles Times 13 hours ago
A felon gunned down by a Torrance jewelry store owner during a botched robbery this week was identified Thursday as a person of interest in the deaths of an elderly couple killed in their home, authorities said. Keon Bailey, 20, of Lancaster was shot and killed by the owner of Leilani’s Jewelers, at 18099 Prairie Ave. in Torrance, when he barged in with a gun and tried to rob the store just before noon Tuesday.

[Cujo]

This is much better: A story with a happy ending brought to you by GUNS!

U.S.
Felon killed in botched jewelry store robbery linked to slaying of elderly couple
Los Angeles Times 13 hours ago
A felon gunned down by a Torrance jewelry store owner during a botched robbery this week was identified Thursday as a person of interest in the deaths of an elderly couple killed in their home, authorities said. Keon Bailey, 20, of Lancaster was shot and killed by the owner of Leilani’s Jewelers, at 18099 Prairie Ave. in Torrance, when he barged in with a gun and tried to rob the store just before noon Tuesday.

That's not right.
Black lives matter don't you know.

[BobR]

^ Some do, but if getting shot during a robbery or while attacking a cop poses a daily threat in anyone's life, they're better off dead.

By the way, I forgot to include the link in the original story: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...310-story.html

[hazz]

From the lancet.... how changing 3 laws could cut gun deaths by as much as 90%


Firearm legislation and firearm mortality in the USA: a cross-sectional, state-level study


Summary
Background
In an effort to reduce firearm mortality rates in the USA, US states have enacted a range of firearm laws to either strengthen or deregulate the existing main federal gun control law, the Brady Law. We set out to determine the independent association of different firearm laws with overall firearm mortality, homicide firearm mortality, and suicide firearm mortality across all US states. We also projected the potential reduction of firearm mortality if the three most strongly associated firearm laws were enacted at the federal level.

Methods
We constructed a cross-sectional, state-level dataset from Nov 1, 2014, to May 15, 2015, using counts of firearm-related deaths in each US state for the years 2008–10 (stratified by intent [homicide and suicide]) from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System, data about 25 firearm state laws implemented in 2009, and state-specific characteristics such as firearm ownership for 2013, firearm export rates, and non-firearm homicide rates for 2009, and unemployment rates for 2010. Our primary outcome measure was overall firearm-related mortality per 100 000 people in the USA in 2010. We used Poisson regression with robust variances to derive incidence rate ratios (IRRs) and 95% CIs.

Findings
31 672 firearm-related deaths occurred in 2010 in the USA (10·1 per 100 000 people; mean state-specific count 631·5 [SD 629·1]). Of 25 firearm laws, nine were associated with reduced firearm mortality, nine were associated with increased firearm mortality, and seven had an inconclusive association. After adjustment for relevant covariates, the three state laws most strongly associated with reduced overall firearm mortality were universal background checks for firearm purchase (multivariable IRR 0·39 [95% CI 0·23–0·67]; p=0·001), ammunition background checks (0·18 [0·09–0·36]; p<0·0001), and identification requirement for firearms (0·16 [0·09–0·29]; p<0·0001). Projected federal-level implementation of universal background checks for firearm purchase could reduce national firearm mortality from 10·35 to 4·46 deaths per 100 000 people, background checks for ammunition purchase could reduce it to 1·99 per 100 000, and firearm identification to 1·81 per 100 000.

Interpretation
Very few of the existing state-specific firearm laws are associated with reduced firearm mortality, and this evidence underscores the importance of focusing on relevant and effective firearms legislation. Implementation of universal background checks for the purchase of firearms or ammunition, and firearm identification nationally could substantially reduce firearm mortality in the USA.

Funding
None.


Audio interview with author

[Troy]

^ Careful, that's a lot of Trump votes that would still be around.....

[MrG]

Interpretation Very few of the existing state-specific firearm laws are associated with reduced firearm mortality, and this evidence underscores the importance of focusing on relevant and effective firearms legislation. Implementation of universal background checks for the purchase of firearms or ammunition, and firearm identification nationally could substantially reduce firearm mortality in the USA. Funding
None.

So simple, so cheap, and nobody gets their precious gun rights infringed upon who shouldn't have them infringed upon.

[hazz]

but as autistic American john robison discovered when a medical procedure allowed him to understand emotions.. found that he "was overwhelmed by the extent to which other people seemed scared, nasty and nasty".

which perhaps explains the perceived need for a militarized citizenry.

[Black Heart]

Watch this brief clip.

It could have escalated.

[misskit]

Gun ownership is down but gun super owners on the rise. Three percent of the population of the USA owns half the guns for protection. Egad.



The Real Story: Black Friday US Gun Sales

Gun sales during the past eight years of the Obama administration have been very good. A 2016 report from the National Shooting Sports Foundation showed the gun industry has grown by more than 150 percent since President Barack Obama was elected in 2008.

Right wing and left wing pundits have suggested this growth has been fueled by fears guns will be regulated out of existence, or that gun owners will be criminalized by what many gun rights supporters call a cabal of Democrats, leftists, anti-gun nuts and anyone who suggests that guns should be subject to some form of regulation.


Guns in a Trump presidency

But President-elect Donald Trump has been vocal in his support of the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families," Trump's website proclaims. "This is about self-defense, plain and simple."

If the huge expansion of the gun industry was driven by fear that Democrats would legislate guns out of American life, Trump's election should have put those fears to rest.

The New York Post in late November reported stock in gun manufacturers like Smith and Wesson had plummeted following Trump's win. The same day, Fortune magazine ran a report predicting flat or disappointing gun sales in the coming holiday season.

But something curious happened as the holiday season opened. As America's annual Christmas shopping spree began the Friday after Thanksgiving, the FBI received 185,713 requests for gun background checks. Each request means someone somewhere was buying a gun on the country's biggest shopping day. That breaks any record set during the past eight years, and suggests guns will be good business even during a Trump administration.


Changing demographics of gun ownership

But the rise in sales masks a fact about guns in America: gun ownership is on the decline and has been for more than 20 years. Gun ownership was at its highest in the 1970s, when a reported 47 percent of Americans owned a firearm. But that number has declined until the most recent statistics from 2014, which suggest between 31 and 34 percent of Americans now have a firearm in their home.

So how does the meteoric rise in gun sales square with the slow decline of gun ownership? Answers can be found in a study done this year by researchers from Northeastern and Harvard Universities.

"While the fraction of U.S. adults who report owning guns has declined only modestly ..." the report concludes, "current gun owners are likely to own more guns." In other words, people who already own a gun are buying more guns and, according to the study, some of them are buying a lot more guns.

"We estimate that, as of 2015, there were approximately 270 million guns in the U.S. civilian gun stock, an increase of approximately 70 million guns since the mid-1990s," the report says. But it notes that half the respondents own only one or two guns.


New era of gun 'super owner'

According to the report, a small group of Americans — about three percent of the population — own half the nation's guns.

This group of seven million people each own an average of 17 guns, and some reported owning more than 100 individual firearms. The report dubbed them "super-owners," and it's not so much the nation that is on a gun shopping spree as these Americans adding to their already considerable arsenals.

The reasons Americans own guns are also changing. As recently as 1999, according to the Pew Research Center, most Americans said hunting was the main reason they had a firearm in the home. But these days, the primary reason cited by the largest group of gun owners, 48 percent, was protection.

The Pew report also says 85 percent of Americans support more background checks. At the same time, a more recent Pew study suggested "the public overall remains divided over whether it is generally more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, 52%, or to control gun ownership, 46%."

So while there are more guns in America than ever before, they are in the hands of fewer and fewer people. What this means for society will continue to be part of the divisive and ongoing conversation about America's Second Amendment and how far its right to bear arms should go.

The Real Story: Black Friday US Gun Sales

[Maanaam]

The Pew report also says 85 percent of Americans support more background checks.

Does that imply that 15% of the population is certifiably crazy?

[misskit]

^ Perhaps only 3%. They suffer from paranoia.

[Maanaam]

https://www.facebook.com/grownmenstu...8950294354857/

[misskit]

^ Pretty good set ups they have there! That someone would have a gun hidden away at the ready is ok, to me.

Individuals stockpiling hundreds of guns for self protection strike me as mentally unbalanced and possibly dangerous.

[Auroria]

Thankfully I'm not from a gun nut country.

As an outside observer, clearly the American constitution needs to be altered and updated to bring it in line with the machinery and technology available today as opposed to the single shot rifle or whatever was around when it was penned.