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    Do you have issues with this?

    I have always been in favor of ethnic groups bringing their own flavor and spice to the often lack luster cuisine of Blighty. I remember well when the first Paki (sorry Indian) restaurant opened in town. The Mayor sung its praises, it was written in the local rag how culture had arrived in SE Lancashire. WIgan for you lesser mortals.

    It was packed every night and the best flash cars often adorned the curb. In them days that was anything bigger than a ford anglia. So looking at the BBC website , as I am prone to do for my long lost country of exile I saw an article that made me think back to the day when an eagle eyed PC who on his beat one night suddenly figured out why the garbage bins at the back of the said fine eating establishment were full of dog food cans.

    Now no one ever got sick, no laws where broken but my god what a fall from grace.
    So for a country that eats raw sheep stomachs, and blood puddings should we get upset or just laugh it off.

    Anyway this is the article


    Cane rat meat 'sold to public' in Ridley Road Market
    By Guy Lynn
    BBC News, London

    Rats and "shocking" quantities of illegal and "potentially unsafe" meat are being sold
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    Cane rats and "shocking" quantities of illegal and "potentially unsafe" meat have been sold to the public in east London, a BBC London undercover investigation has found.

    Secret filming in one of the capital's busiest food markets has revealed butchers and food stores prepared to sell large quantities of meat that break food safety laws.

    West African and environmental health officer sources told the BBC the Ridley Road Market, in Dalston, was a known hotbed of illicit meat activity, including sales of illegal "smokies", a delicacy made by charring sheep or goat with a blow torch.

    Yet a Freedom of Information request to Hackney Council reveals the last enforcement visits to premises concerning illegal meat in the whole borough took place in 2009.

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    It is disgusting and outrageous that the local authorities don't take action”

    Dr Yunes Teinaz
    Environmental health expert
    "This is shocking, I am just so shocked to see so much of it," said Paul Povey, one of the UK's leading experts in meat hygiene and inspections and a member of the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health, who examined the meat for the BBC.

    "It's all illegal and hasn't undergone health control, hasn't been inspected and may well be contaminated.

    "You've got to wonder about the contamination level of this meat that anyone's bringing into their kitchens."

    Hackney Council said it had only received one complaint of illegal meat being sold since 2009 which was not proven.

    'There will be trouble'

    An expert in meat hygiene said the meat may have been contaminated
    The practice of creating "smokies" is outlawed under UK and European food laws amid fears about public safety and animal welfare.

    It has also been linked to mafia-style gangs in Wales who steal sheep and goats, slaughtering them in unlicensed abattoirs.

    Dr Yunes Teinaz, a chartered environmental health practitioner, said: "Behind the underground trade in smokies are criminals who don't observe the law and are just after financial gain.

    "It is disgusting and outrageous that the local authorities don't take action and remove this meat from the human food chain."

    One Hackney butcher, who was secretly filmed selling a BBC researcher quantities of the illicit meat, said: "Don't tell anyone, otherwise there will be trouble."

    Two African food stores have sold bush meat such as "grass cutter" or cane rats, which are described as having been imported from Ghana where they are a delicacy.

    'Collapsing a business'
    The trade in bush meat is a persistent problem for the UK authorities with illegal meat products smuggled in by passengers in ferry terminals and airports.

    The Food Standards Agency says there are worries that bush meat could be of serious risk to both those who eat it and to others from contamination.

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    What you are saying is a lie, a 100% lie, I don't sell rats.”

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    There is no suggestion that every butcher and food shop on the Ridley Road Market is prepared to deal in illegal meat.

    Confronted with BBC London's evidence, Islam Halal Meat; Punjab Halal Meat and Fish and Dalston Butchers denied they were selling illegal meat.

    The manager of Great Expectations, a food store which sold two Ghanaian rats to the undercover BBC researcher, said: "I don't sell rats, I never sell rats, I don't sell rats.

    "I don't have any rats, why you come to video me?"

    The manager of Adom Trading, another shop that sold bush meat described as a Ghanaian "grass cutter" rat, also denied selling it.

    "What you are saying is a lie, a 100% lie, I don't sell rats.

    "You are collapsing a business, do you know how much it costs us to pay the business rates?"

    Councillor Feryal Demirci, Hackney Council's Cabinet Member for Safer Neighbourhoods, said: "Hackney Council's team of Environmental Health Officers make regular visits and inspections of over 1,000 businesses across the borough, including those on Ridley Road.

    "Since 2009, we have only received a single complaint regarding the sale of illegal meat, which upon investigation was inconclusive.

    "However, we take all complaints seriously and we will always investigate fully. Now that we have received some information from the BBC we will look into this and take the appropriate action."

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    Some shops 6,000 miles away are selling nasty meat.

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    it boils down to some shops in London have been caught selling rats for customers to eat. As is normal in the UK today there is outrage, people are shocked ! etc.
    BIG DEAL ! If people want to buy and eat rat then what the hell has it got to do with anyone else ?
    if you find eating rat disgusting then simply don't friggin buy any !
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    ^ Would that be "eating rat knowingly or unknowingly," O.K. in your book TBF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    ^ Would that be "eating rat knowingly or unknowingly," O.K. in your book TBF?
    They walked into the shop and asked to buy rat. they sold them rat ! Which part do you have a problem with ?
    I suppose some Muslim may find the idea of me buying pork distasteful. It doesn't make it wrong it is just that Muslims don't eat Pork.
    If you walked into a shop and asked for chicken and they sold you rat then you have something to moan about.
    If you get what you ask for then what the fcuk has it got to do with anyone else ?

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    Hold on a sec, is not the main point of the article not what was being sold per se, but that it was illegal due to unsanitary conditions, i.e. not inspected etc.

    There seem to be two completely different issues going on.

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    That African Bush Meat is only eaten if its rotten. Just like Pla Ra, it's a flavour thing, like letting game get high.

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    I am not sure what EU code covers rat meat! My father lamented the day when you could no longer buy fresh cheese from the farm it had to be made in a factory, pasteurized and made safe. It sounds like non of the locals bar one has ever made a complaint. So as long as people are living what the heck. If it was in asia it would be on the bucket list of things to do.

    Come to think of it is it not in Peru that people eat hampsters or some other fury rodent that we have as pets for the kids? Think I saw that on Lonely Planet, maybe the boys could do a show on RIdley Road market? Tower of London could have authentic prision food from the 1600's

    The bit about the Welsh Mafia rustling sheep and goats made me laugh! Can you imagine meeting your counter parts from Italy or LA and giving a report on liquidity in sheep steeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    Come to think of it is it not in Peru that people eat hampsters or some other fury rodent that we have as pets for the kids? .

    guinea pig I believe.

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    ^ Correct. They scurry about the house for days until fat enough for stew or Bar-B-Q and off they go into the pot. No problem as they are never considered pets.

    As for Rats as food sources and the ability to sanitize them for human consumption, I have never heard of rats being grown as part of animal husbandry. Most rats in Asia are caught in the fields, streets, open markets and gutters of the cities and rural areas where found. Rats have an "open diet," so to speak and are notorious for disease carriers.

    That said, I would venture to offer the following: Rats under no conditions should be offered as restaurant food or as a family food source. Poverty is the common thread to such food sources not taste or preferences.

    As for Big Fellas reply, I would consider your opinion as correct under the circumstances. I also retain a non-endorsement of Rat eating under any circumstance as is my personal preference. Bringing rats into your living environment as a food source is not a dietary issue its a hygiene issue.

    I'm sure we can easily slide off into eating live monkey brains in the PI's? Also considered a part of the locals diet.

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    Apart from the odd plague now and then, thought rats where clean?

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    I reckon if it is a farm rat from the country, I'd give it a go. Not sure about a dodgy Bangkok, sewer dweller though...

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    They made some TV program many years back where some star-cook made a rat meal to some known people back home, the rats used where white lab rats specially bred for lab-work, no one knew in advance they where served rat and it went down real well "the meal that is"

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    What do you expect? 40% of London is Foreign.
    A huge percentage of them are from shitholes..

    Savages

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    As it should be as the 40% of Brits missing from that expensive bog on the Thames are in Thailand and every other part of the globe complaining about life as an expat. When I came to Canada, I stayed clear of ex pats because I used to get depressed listening to them moan about how bad things where compared to good old blighty.

    Now I am not the adventurous eater but, unless it is full stuff that will kill you What the Hell!

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    As you say, people eat strange thins all over the world. If a butcher has a demand for a certain meat why stop him from meeting the demand?

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    I suppose there are hygiene & importation laws to consider, but as far as I'm concerned a Ghanaian or Asian has as much right to eat cane or paddy rat as I have to eat pork.

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    The rats are Cane Rats bigger than your black or brown rat. Used to sniff out mines. The exploding kind.
    The bush meat I see in Peckham is blackened by smoking and you cannot really tell what it was. The skin is gone and the muscles have contracted so all you can guess at is whether it was a rodent from the incisors and the hind legs.

    From TV programs I have seen the smoking is badly done and maggots do grow in the unsmoked areas.

    Another popular meat are the Giant African land snails. As big as a mans fist and still alive. I believe they are stewed with the meat being removed and then fried up and served.

    Not bush meats but goat is popular. Again stewed or curried. And there are real bargains to be had with cow lower leg and hooves going for £1-1.50 each. You make a gelatinous soup called cow heel. Like mannish water it puts lead in your pencil.

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    My brother has a road side eatery. He goes to Surin every morning for fresh meat and vegatables every day.


    This starts at 3:00 AM

    I have never been sick from his food. I have been fooked up from not sleeping and helping him.

    We NEVER use bad food.

    We never use food from another day.

    We give it to our brothers so they can bring fresh fish... and the girls bring fresh mushrooms and vegtables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter View Post
    What do you expect? 40% of London is Foreign.
    A huge percentage of them are from shitholes..

    Savages
    Come on, all they did was fill the flats and homes of the 40% who were smart enough to get the fuck out of ol' blighty and move to more progressive countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand - and the odd one made it across the channel to France, Spain, northern Europe and Scandi. Snooze, ya lose.
    My mind is not for rent to any God or Government, There's no hope for your discontent - the changes are permanent!

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    I do recall that everytime me and my mates went for a ruby murry at our local indian restaurants 35 years ago, we'd all end up on the bog the following day.

    I guess it wasn't christened the Alsatian Grill for nothing!

    Still ,each to their own, we eat rabbit which shocks a lot of other nationalities - especially teenage jap girls

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