Thread: CNN Hits Bottom

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

What exactly is the direct link between semi-autonomous pirates and Iraq/Iran?

Point being the Muslim expansionist, succumb to Shari'a Law or die mind-set.

The Barbary Pirates weren't Muslim.

They operated mainly from the Barbary Coast , running along the north of Africa, which includes strongholds such as Tunis, Algiers, Tripoli and Morocco, but of course this does not mean they were Muslim.

The early ones were Muslims (mostly Turkish Muslims) but around the time of Jefferson (since Boon Mee picked that era) this wasn't the case any longer.

Interesting enough, BM, where is the link between piracy and Muslim expansionism? I don't see how it even comes close to the Age of Exploration and Christian expansionism (and its subsequent destruction of countless numbers of civilizations from the 1400s-1800s)

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

What exactly is the direct link between semi-autonomous pirates and Iraq/Iran?

Point being the Muslim expansionist, succumb to Shari'a Law or die mind-set.

The Barbary Pirates weren't Muslim.

No?
What were they?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Take a look at what's happening in France - Paris specifically with the car-torchings on a nightly basis.

The car-torching in France has nothing to do with muslims, there were mostly young people who do it. And when they were some "beurs" among them it's mostly due to a "banlieue" problem than muslim related.
Your hatred against muslim makes you blind ?

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Take a look at what's happening in France - Paris specifically with the car-torchings on a nightly basis.

The car-torching in France has nothing to do with muslims, there were mostly young people who do it. And when they were some "beurs" among them it's mostly due to a "banlieue" problem than muslim related.
Your hatred against muslim makes you blind ?

As someone who lived in France for nearly a decade, and who has visited those suburban ghettos, where the violence started, on reporting trips any number of times, I have not been surprised by this tsunami of inchoate youth rebellion that is engulfing France. It is the result of thirty years of government neglect: of the failure of the French political classes -- of both right and left -- to make any serious effort to integrate its Muslim and black populations into the larger French economy and culture; and of the deep-seated, searing, soul-destroying racism that the unemployed and profoundly alienated young of the ghettos face every day of their lives, both from the police, and when trying to find a job or decent housing.

ZNet |Europe | WHY IS FRANCE BURNING?

I guess this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about.

Do you even know what appeasement means?

Originally Posted by surasak

Do you even know what appeasement means?

One quick example: The St. George Flag in England cannot be flown on government bldgs. due to its offensive message to Muslims. Therefore, the British Government has forbidden the display and that's appeasment...

Originally Posted by RDN

ZNet |Europe | WHY IS FRANCE BURNING?

I guess this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about.

Doesn't the article confirm what Wlallalai said - it's not a Muslim issue as such, but a social/racial discrimination one?

Btw, Booners, care to expand on your earlier 'argument' by adressing surasak's question:
"Interesting enough, BM, where is the link between piracy and Muslim expansionism?"

Originally Posted by stroller

Doesn't the article confirm what Wlallalai said - it's not a Muslim issue as such, but a social/racial discrimination one?

hey, hey, hey! who said you could read the whole article?




btw, when i first read the thread title, i thought it said that chiang mai noon had 'hit bottom' i.e. recognized that he needed to do something about an addiction.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

Do you even know what appeasement means?

One quick example: The St. George Flag in England cannot be flown on government bldgs. due to its offensive message to Muslims. Therefore, the British Government has forbidden the display and that's appeasment...

I don't suppose you have a link showing that Parliament (the British Government) passed a law banning the display of the St. George flag on all government buildings, do you? Thanks.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by stroller

Doesn't the article confirm what Wlallalai said - it's not a Muslim issue as such, but a social/racial discrimination one?

hey, hey, hey! who said you could read the whole article? ...

Perhaps I quoted too much and confused you. Let me narrow it down a little to help:

Originally Posted by Wallalai

...The car-torching in France has nothing to do with muslims, there were mostly young people who do it....

As someone who lived in France for nearly a decade..., I have not been surprised by this tsunami of inchoate youth rebellion that is engulfing France. It is the result of thirty years of government neglect: of the failure of the French political classes ... to make any serious effort to integrate its Muslim and black populations...

ZNet |Europe | WHY IS FRANCE BURNING?

Any clearer?

So it has more to do with French racism and treatment of muslims than it does with being muslim per se.

It has more to do with being non-French and being prevented from integrating by institutional and social racism/discrimination than being of any particular group. The lack of white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair along with different religious beliefs doesn't help either.

Anytime you force immigrants into ghettos, slums, low paying jobs, and prevent them from integrating eventually the pot will boil over (and justifiably so).

If the French aren't going to let them integrate then perhaps the French shouldn't be letting them immigrate.

Boon Mee

I wonder how many palestinians were either killed, arrested or humiliated in the Occupied Territories today. I think much of the instability seen across the Middle East can be traced directly back to the seemingly unresolvable disputes between Israel and her closest neighbours. I'm sure you'll agree with this view of the world.

On a similairly conciliatory note , I assume you have read Jimmy Carter's latest book on the Middle East - is it called Peace Not Aparthied - which for an American politician is unusually and harshly critical of the way Israel deals with its "peace partner". I would imagine you were one of the first to buy and read this interesting book !! Am i right ??

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

Do you even know what appeasement means?

One quick example: The St. George Flag in England cannot be flown on government bldgs. due to its offensive message to Muslims. Therefore, the British Government has forbidden the display and that's appeasment...

^
There is a thread about J. Carter started by Boon Mee where he comments on this book: https://teakdoor.com/issues/8973-jimmy-carters-pals.html

Originally Posted by roderick17

Boon Mee

I wonder how many palestinians were either killed, arrested or humiliated in the Occupied Territories today.

Perhaps they should think about how humiliating it is to wear those sucicide belts and blow up innocent women and childern?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

So it has more to do with French racism and treatment of muslims than it does with being muslim per se.

Exactly - French racism and a reluctance of Muslims and Blacks to integrate or to be assimilated, also probably due to the French racism.

Originally Posted by surasak

It has more to do with being non-French and being prevented from integrating by institutional and social racism/discrimination than being of any particular group. The lack of white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair along with different religious beliefs doesn't help either.

Anytime you force immigrants into ghettos, slums, low paying jobs, and prevent them from integrating eventually the pot will boil over (and justifiably so).

If the French aren't going to let them integrate then perhaps the French shouldn't be letting them immigrate.

Please name which institution is preventing them from integrating.

By the way, the French aren't - generally speaking - blue-eyed blondes. I think you're getting you countries mixed up.

Nobody forces immigrants into ghettos - they quite naturally seek out people from their own country. These places then become "ghettos". Just like parts of Phuket are "farang ghettos".

up.
perhaps it has more to do with countries selecting immigrants that accept more than one book.
an ability to integrate. an ability to become part of their new home.
new home meaning if "they" can't handle the culture they have chosen to live in..............maybe the rules for immigration need to be changed?

and also, why do they immigrate anyway????
could it be something to do with what life at home is like.?

if you don't like home. don't come to another country and try to change it,
religiously or otherwise.
integrate.

Originally Posted by bradthai

and also, why do they immigrate anyway????
could it be something to do with what life at home is like.?

Could be, there are many motives for people moving to other countries.

Originally Posted by bradthai

if you don't like home. don't come to another country and try to change it,

I am sure Thai and Swiss immigration agree with you there. That's why it's difficult to get residence permits and almost impossible to obtain citizenship. If you are not prepared to adjust to Thai culture, the legal practise, driving habits and so on, nor value Buddhism, you have no business to stay in Thailand other than a short holiday.

Originally Posted by bradthai

if you don't like home. don't come to another country and try to change it, religiously or otherwise. integrate.

That's interesting because in the not-so-distant-colonial-past they did everything they could to ensure it was exactly like home. Including 'converting' the 'ignorant natives/savages'.

And you only have to look at Missionaires for a modern example of this...

Funny how the neo-Christians always expect everyone to become like them. That's why so many cultures in the 'New World' were wiped out.

If Country X is allowing people to immigrate because citizens of Country X are too arrogant to perform certain kinds of work then perhaps Country X should be more accommodating to who it lets in.

Institutional and cultural racism.

I see it all the time here and it disgusts me.