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    LibbyGate

    Libbygate: Now Let's Get to the Real Story
    by Dave Lindorff from Netscape

    So Scooter Libby has taken the fall.
    Three and a half years and a long bloody war after he and a gang of war-mongers in the White House and Blair House, including President Bush and Vice President Cheney, set out to undermine and trash the reputation of an Iraq war critic, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, Libby has been found guilty of perjury, lying to the FBI and obstruction of justice by a Washington jury.
    Now maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald and what passes for journalists in the mainstream media can get down to the real business of finding out just why the entire White House smear operation was unleashed upon a minor state department official and why they went so far as to violate federal law and expose his CIA-operative wife, Valerie Plame, in the process destroying her entire network of contacts for monitoring the spread of nuclear weapons in the Middle East.
    Because that's what this whole Libby story is really about.
    The whole focus of the media in this case has been on the narrow, inside-the-Beltway question of who leaked information about Plame to the media.
    Entirely forgotten or ignored has been what this leak was all about to begin with.
    For that, you have to go back and look at what Wilson did in the first place that so enraged or frightened the Vice President and the President.
    And that was to go to Niger, one of the poorest nations in Africa, to prove conclusively that there was no truth to a set of forged notes on the letterhead of the Niger embassy in Rome, purporting to be receipts for 400 tons of Niger uranium ore allegedly being sought by Iraq's Saddam Hussein.
    Wilson knew those documents were cheap forgeries--the name of the mines official on the papers was someone who hadn't been in office for years--but he went to Niger anyhow, just to make doubly certain that no such purchase attempt had been made.
    None had.
    So the real question then is, who is behind those forged documents?
    There is an interesting story here--and an important mystery to be solved.
    As it happens, way back in early 2001 there was a pair of burglaries at the Niger Embassy in Rome and at the home of the Niger ambassador. Police investigating the crimes found that the only things stolen were official stationary and some official stamps, used to make documents official. A cleaning lady and a former member of Italy's intelligence service were arrested for the crimes. They were odd burglaries to be sure, since there is precious little one could use, or sell, such documents for, given the country involved. I mean, it might make sense to steal official stationary from the French Embassy in Rome, which a thief might use to finagle a pass to the Cannes Festival. But Niger?
    Jump to October 2001. A few weeks after the 9-11 attacks, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, accompanied by his ministers of defense and intelligence, made a visit to the White House. There he reportedly handed over the forged Niger documents (they were on Niger government stationary, and had Niger government stamps!), which appeared to be receipts for uranium ore, made out to Saddam Hussein. Now forget the matter of why either Hussein or Niger's government would want paper receipts for such an illegal transaction, and forget the matter of how Hussein would have transported 400 tons of yellow dust across the Sahara to his country without somebody noticing. The simple fact is that Bush's own intelligence experts at the CIA and State Department promptly spotted the forgeries, and they were dumped.
    We know this because we know, from the likes of onetime National Security Council counterterrorism head Richard Clarke and former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, that Bush was pushing for war with Iraq almost as soon as he finished reading My Pet Goat following the attack on the Twin Towers. Surely if the White House had even thought those Niger documents might be legit, they would have leaked or broadcast them all over creation.
    They didn't. The documents were deep-sixed, and mentioned to no one.
    But according to some dedicated investigative reporters at the respected Italian newspaper La Repubblica, they resurfaced before long at a very suspicious meeting. This meeting occurred in December 2001 in Rome, and included Michael Ledeen, an associate of Defense Department Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith and a key figure in the White House's war-propaganda program, Larry Franklin, a top Defense Intelligence Agency Middle East analyst who later pleaded guilty to passing classified information to two employees of the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), convicted Iraqi bank swindler Ahmed Chalabi, then head of the CIA-created Iraqi National Congress, and Harold Rhode of the sinister Defense Department Office of Special Plans, that office set up by the White House and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld under Feith's direction to manufacture "evidence" to justify a war on Iraq. Also at this peculiar meeting were the heads of the Italian Defense Department and of SISMI, the Italian intelligence agency.
    According to La Repubblica, it was at that meeting that a plan was hatched to resurrect the forged Niger documents, and to give them credibility by recycling them through British intelligence.
    And that is what Bush was referring to when, in his 2003 State of the Union address, he famously frightened a nation by declaring, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
    Bush lyingly implied that this was new information, when in fact he knew--had to know--that the "evidence" in British hands was the same set of documents he had been offered by Berlusconi almost a year and a half earlier, which had been declared to be bogus.
    No mainstream American media organization has pursued this story, or even published the details as reported in Italy. Most Americans, consequently, don't even know what a grand lie Bush and the White House perpetrated upon them and the Congress in order to win approval for an attack on Iraq.
    Perhaps now that Libby has gone down for his part in this grotesque crime, some editor will ask the obvious question: Why did the White House and the Office of Vice President go to such extraordinary lengths to attack Wilson and his wife? And more importantly, who was behind those Niger embassy burglaries and the forged uranium ore sale documents? And what was OSP doing meeting in Rome in December 2001 with the head of Italian intelligence?
    Make no mistake: this whole story has the odor of a "black op" designed to target the American people.
    If so it was an act of high treason.
    It is not just Libby who should go to jail for this crime. It is the president and vice president.
    At this point, whether or not the mainstream media decide to do their job, one has to hope that Fitzgerald, with Libby in the bag, will take the next step and hold the prospect of a lengthy prison sentence recommendation over the convictıs head in order to try and win from him a promise of cooperation with the prosecution.
    Because Libby knows who was behind all of this. And thatıs the real story that needs to be told. DAVE LINDORFF is an investigative reporter based in Philadelphia. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net and at www.counterpunch.org His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    Hillary is conniving.

    It's a lessor of two evils, unfortunately.
    Lessor than Bubba?
    BTW, a name to watch - Fred Thompson.
    Looks good to me so far - has all the correct credentials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    Hillary is conniving.

    It's a lessor of two evils, unfortunately.
    Lessor than Bubba?
    BTW, a name to watch - Fred Thompson.
    Looks good to me so far - has all the correct credentials.
    No, BM.

    Not lessor than Bubba. Lessor than who ever the GOP nominee will be.

    As for Fred Thompson, he's not running. (I'm not saying it's good, either.)
    ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheriffAndy View Post
    DAVE LINDORFF is an investigative reporter based in Philadelphia. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net and at www.counterpunch.org His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office"[/FONT][/SIZE]
    I suppose "Dave" doesn't have any hidden agendas!

    I see he gets his information from reliable Italian sources.

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    ^ who cares?

    here's something that will make a horrible 2007 even worse for the white house...

    WASHINGTON - Former CIA officer Valerie Plame, who was exposed after her husband, former diplomat Joe Wilson, criticized President Bush's prewar intelligence, will testify next week before a House committee probing how the White House dealt with her identity.
    and henry waxman is heading the hearing!

    here's what he is interested in...

    "The trial proceedings raise questions about whether senior White House officials, including the vice president and senior adviser to the president Karl Rove, complied with the requirements governing the handling of classified information," Waxman wrote in his invitation to Fitzgerald."They also raise questions about whether the White House took appropriate remedial action following the leak and whether the existing requirements are sufficient to protect against future leaks,"
    Plame to testify before House committee - Politics - MSNBC.com

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    I bet she isn't sworn in under oath, otherwise, we could see how easy it is for her to perjure herself.

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    Libby is going to get passed around like a bag of Oreos. Rummy, Rove and Cheney could be feeling the brotherly love soon as well.

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    Lota pressure to give him a pardon right now instead of waiting until just before Dubya leaves office - will be interesting to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Lota pressure to give him a pardon right now
    pressure from whom?

    ann coulter, newsmax.com and the editorial board at the WSJ?

    boonies heroes in the radical right wing are dreaming if they think a pardon is coming any time before dec. '08....if at all.

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    Don't tempt him to post his blog-entries to "prove" you wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    the radical right wing are dreaming if they think a pardon is coming any time before dec. '08....if at all.
    I wouldn't bet that TEFLer paycheck on it...

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    boonie you've repeatedly proven you're unable to discern between radical right wing propaganda and conventional wisdom, so i'll lay it out for you in a dumbed down format...


    1. libby doesn't even qualify for a traditional pardon--bush, of course, can do what he wants and flaunt the rules, but libby doesn't meet the established criteria.
    2. it would create a firestorm of protests (and congressional investigations into the entire scandal) from the dems and decidedly unflattering media coverage.
    3. if libby uses the full extent of the appeals process (and i'm not sure he's even going to do that) he won't spend a day in jail before '09 anyway.

    what would be the point of giving him a pardon now? who benefits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    what would be the point of giving him a pardon now? who benefits?
    Well, for one thing, it would be a small token of payback for the Clinton pardons plus the Sandy Berger scandal which rates a good deal higher on criminality scale...

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    you think the white house is going to bring back to the fore a scandal directly related to how pre-war intelligence was used in order to achieve "a small token of payback for the Clinton pardons"]?


    again boonie....who benefits?--besides ann coulter and newsmax.com of course.


    and btw.....how does 'payback' enter into this? how were the republicans 'hurt' by the clinton pardons that would require 'payback' of any sort?
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    It would be 'payback' in that Clinton (who was impeached, btw) pardoned a convicted criminal - anyhow, this prosecutor knew from the beginning that (a) leaking Valerie Plame's name was not a crime and (b) the guy who did it was Richard Armitage. In other words, he was aware that the public and media perception of this ''case'' was entirely wrong: There was no conspiracy by Bush ideologues to damage a whistleblower, only an anti-war official making an offhand remark to an anti-war reporter. Even the usual appeals to prosecutorial discretion (Libby was a peripheral figure with only he said/she said evidence in an investigation with no underlying crime) don't convey the scale of Fitzgerald's perversity: He knew, in fact, that there was no cloud, that under all the dark scudding about Rove and Cheney there was only sunny Richard Armitage blabbing away accidentally. Yet he chose to let the entirely false impression of his ''case'' sit out there month in, month out, year after year, glowering over the White House, doing great damage to the presidency on the critical issue of the day.

    It ain't over...
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    ^and we still haven't any confirmation to the "covert" status of Valerie Plame!
    I think since we haven't had any confirmation that she was indeed "covert" then she in all probability was not "covert". Making the very premise of any investigation ridiculous. That's what "conventional wisdom" mandates!

    If Fiztgerald knew the who the "leaker" was at the beginning his subsequent investigation was unnecessary.

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    Republitards logic:

    "I didn't have sex with that woman" -- He lied and should be impeached

    "I didn't tell journalists that Valerie Plame was an undercover spy" -- who cares, she wasn't active and it's not like nobody didn't know about it

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    I think scooter will be pardoned but not before Bush boys last days in office. Do they seperate prisions for white collar criminals in the US? Or will this crook be in the pen with all the general bad asses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    ^and we still haven't any confirmation to the "covert" status of Valerie Plame!
    did you miss the part when Cheney ask Bush to "lift" her credentials so they could disclose her identity to the press ? of course they lift her credentials AFTER they outed her to the press.

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    Well, Scooter faces up to 25 years for the crime of failing to remember when he first heard the name Valerie Plame - not quite to the level of Clinton's man, Sandy Burgler who stole classified documents from the National Archives and got a misdemeanor charge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Well, Scooter faces up to 25 years
    nonsense. guidelines say less than three.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    he crime of failing to remember when he first heard the name Valerie Plame
    he didn't fail to remember, he lied to the FBI on an issue of national security.



    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Sandy Burgler who stole classified documents
    IMO he should be charged. but the question you should be asking yourself boonie is why didn't the republican house, senate, or justice department open congressional hearings on the matter or bring more significant charges against berger?

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    Well, what about this so-call 'cloud over the White House' crap? Fitzgerald, in his closing remarks to the jury was highly revealing. If he dislikes Bush and Cheney and the Iraq war, whoopee: Run against them, or donate to the Democrats, or get a talk-radio show. Instead, he chose in full knowledge of the truth to maintain artificially a three-year cloud over the White House while the anti-Bush left frantically mistook its salivating for the first drops of a downpour. The result is the disgrace of Scooter Libby. Big deal. Patrick Fitzgerald's disgrace is the greater, and a huge victory not for justice or the law but for the criminalization of politics.
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    no one can claim that fitzgerald is a partisan....rather he is known as a relentless prosecutor who would prosecute his mother if she broke the law. and secondly, all prosecutors get riled if people lie under oath. the entire justice system would be a joke if they didn't vigorously prosecute those who choose to lie.

    there was/is a cloud over the white house, and it won't be gone until cheney resigns or he and bush leave office.

    it's clear politics have not been 'criminalized' because rove and fleischer were not indicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    no one can claim that fitzgerald is a
    it's clear politics have not been 'criminalized' because rove and fleischer were not indicted.
    What proof can you show that Rove & Fleischer are culpable? Anyhow, this was a political show trial, and partisans of Joe Wilson will use the guilty verdict to declare vindication. But along the way we learned that virtually all the claims Wilson and his supporters made were false:
    On his trip to Niger, Wilson found no evidence that contradicted the famous "16 words" in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union Address, contrary to his New York Times op-ed claim.


    Plame, his wife, who worked for the CIA, did recommend him for the Niger junket, contrary to Wilson's denials.


    Plame was not a covert agent under the definition of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, contrary to Wilson's insinuations, which many of his backers, including in the press, presented as fact.


    No one from the White House "leaked" Plame's identity as a CIA functionary to Robert Novak, who received the information from Richard Armitage at the State Department.
    Libby stands convicted of lying in the course of Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of the Valerie Plame fiasco --but that investigation was undertaken on the basis of a tissue of lies...

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    I think it is fantastic that they finally has nailed one of these crooks, and I see it as a small payback for letting Oliver North slip off the hook.

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