Thread: U.S. v. Libby

Originally Posted by raycarey

libby obstructed justice, lied to the grand jury, and lied to the FBI. these are crimes. just a reminder.

of course libby will appeal the decision so that cheney will have an excuse for not answering questions about his involvement in this entire disgraceful affair.

this was a good day for america....after seemingly countless bad ones.

Patrick J. Fitzgerald is going to have some explaining to do after all is said and done. Why he even pursued an investigation when no crimes were committed in the first place should be the question you ask yourself.
Like the jury in the Libby perjury case, they were asking themselves "why are we prosecuting this man?" !!!

Watch for changes in the license these "special prosecutors" get.
A more apt term would be "special inquisitor"!

cheney should resign.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

A more apt term would be "special inquisitor"!

remember Clinton BJ special prosecutor ?

thought so

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

A more apt term would be "special inquisitor"!

remember Clinton BJ special prosecutor ?

thought so

Remember Katherine Willey?, Paula Jones?

I thought so!

OK, now that the verdict has been announced and justice has surprisingly prevailed.
How much jail time do you think he will actually do?

Originally Posted by Milkman

I'll take a guestimate at 2 years or 2.5 years.

That should at least rule out a presidential pardon.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Milkman

I'll take a guestimate at 2 years or 2.5 years.

That should at least rule out a presidential pardon.

I think sentencing is scheduled to take place by May.

So, here's one scenario.


But has 22 months left before leaving office in January of 2009.

Bush could give a pardon on the last day or two before leaving office. (Clinton did this with Marc Rich, and others.)

Regardless of how much time served or completed by this time, Libby conviction would be erased.

Originally Posted by Milkman

I hope that the attorney fees and legal costs bankrupt him, though.

they've already set up another fundraiser.

Libby Legal Defense Trust

and let's not forget what this case was all about.....

the white house attempted to destroy the career of a CIA operative because her husband wrote an op-ed piece for the NYT that shed light on its manipulation of intelligence. the intent of the white house was clear...anyone who questioned how the white house was using intelligence would be destroyed.

and libby's taped grand jury testimony reveals that cheney was directly involved, and therefore he should resign.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Milkman

I'll take a guestimate at 2 years or 2.5 years.

That should at least rule out a presidential pardon.

Why?
Bush should/will grant that pardon at anytime he wants.
Ford granted Nixon an immediate pardon, why shouldn't Dubya grant Libby one this very minute since he didn't do anything wrong, eh?

Originally Posted by raycarey

cheney should resign.

Why?
Because you personally don't care for the fella?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Dubya grant Libby one this very minute since he didn't do anything wrong, eh?

He was just 'following orders', eh? Whose orders?

Bush pardon would be a political suicide, but again I am all for it

apparently the jury felt sorry for the accused as they all understood that he was the fall guy

BBC NEWS | Americas | White House official Libby guilty

Originally Posted by BBC

A member of the jury, Denis Collins, said although jurors decided Libby was guilty they also had a "tremendous amount of sympathy" for him, and thought he might just be "the fall guy".

"Where's Rove?" he asked, referring to Mr Bush's top aide.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Bush pardon would be a political suicide, but again I am all for it

I'm making the assumption that a pardon would leave him with a terrible mark in the history books.

So he won't.


If he did - which he won't - it would be in the last day office in Jan. of 2009.

Did Mark Rich have anything to do with a trillion dollar failed war overseas?

Originally Posted by surasak

Did Mark Rich have anything to do with a trillion dollar failed war overseas?

OK...did Scooter Libby have anything to do with the outing of that Plame gal?
Not in your wildest dreams...
btw, who says it's a 'failed war'?
Only the cut & run crowd...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

did Scooter Libby have anything to do with the outing of that Plame gal? Not in your wildest dreams...

why don't you re-read the last 14 pages of this thread......he blabbed about her to reporters.

in a case involving national security he obstructed justice, lied to the grand jury, and lied to the FBI...and now he's going to jail.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

recall Mark Rich?

yeah, it was wrong to pardon him.

i also remember GHWB giving pardons to iran-contra felons casper weinberger and elliot abrams...even though they worked to subvert the consitution of the US.

Scooter... Fitting name ... 20 to 30 months getting "rode" by the wogs in a prison.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

OK...did Scooter Libby have anything to do with the outing of that Plame gal?

That's not why he was convicted by a jury on multiple counts.

btw, who says it's a 'failed war'?
Only the cut & run crowd...

An ever increasing number of Americans (the ones paying the bill for this fiasco).

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

recall Mark Rich?

yeah, it was wrong to pardon him.

The Clintons also stole a shit load of antique furniture from the White House when they left office. Scum bags...

I watched Hilary Clinton's speach at Selma, Alabama yesterday. She is a terrible, squaking orator. She looks like the face of evil and war, I think she would relish an "its war"speach. She reminded me of Thatcher but with a more plastic, false facade.

Agree, Mad_Dog,

Hillary is conniving.

It's a lessor of two evils, unfortunately.