Thread: Same sex marriage

Originally Posted by tomcat

Their 15-year sentence triggered a diplomatic row, which ended in the recalling of the US ambassador.
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At the time, US ambassador Daniel Foote said he was "horrified" by the sentencing.
He implored the Zambian government to review the case and its homosexuality laws, but then faced a backlash for his comments.

'We want him gone'
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In response the diplomat's comments, President Lungu then said that he did not "want such people in our midst. We want him gone".

Mr Foote was recalled to Washington in December.

Perhaps it just a time to revise the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations ... (or withdraw from)

Article 411. Without prejudice to their privileges and immunities, it is the duty of all persons enjoying such privileges and immunities to respect the laws and regulations of the receiving State. They also have a duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Perhaps it just a time to revise the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations ... (or withdraw from)

...perhaps, it just time you take nap...

Originally Posted by S Landreth

16%+ of same-sex married households were interracial couples, double the rate for opposite-sex married couples.

...I don't find that surprising at all: gays have always been more open to...well, everyone...

Baby steps……….

Francis Endorses Same-Sex Civil Unions For The First Time As Pope

Pope Francis endorsed same-sex civil unions for the first time as pope while being interviewed for the feature-length documentary “Francesco,” which premiered Wednesday at the Rome Film Festival.

The papal thumbs-up came midway through the film that delves into issues Francis cares about most, including the environment, poverty, migration, racial and income inequality, and the people most affected by discrimination.

“Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God,” Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. “What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.”

While serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, Francis endorsed civil unions for gay couples as an alternative to same-sex marriages. However, he had never come out publicly in favor of civil unions as pope.

The Jesuit priest who has been at the forefront in seeking to build bridges with gays in the church, the Rev. James Martin, praised the pope’s comments as “a major step forward in the church’s support for LGBT people.”

“The Pope’s speaking positively about civil unions also sends a strong message to places where the church has opposed such laws,” Martin said in a statement.

One of the main characters in the documentary is Juan Carlos Cruz, the Chilean survivor of clergy sexual abuse whom Francis initially discredited during a 2018 visit to Chile.

“Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God,” Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. “What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.”

While serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, Francis endorsed civil unions for gay couples as an alternative to same-sex marriages. However, he had never come out publicly in favor of civil unions as pope.

The Jesuit priest who has been at the forefront in seeking to build bridges with gays in the church, the Rev. James Martin, praised the pope’s comments as “a major step forward in the church’s support for LGBT people.”

“The Pope’s speaking positively about civil unions also sends a strong message to places where the church has opposed such laws,” Martin said in a statement.

One of the main characters in the documentary is Juan Carlos Cruz, the Chilean survivor of clergy sexual abuse whom Francis initially discredited during a 2018 visit to Chile.

Cruz, who is gay, said that during his first meetings with the pope in May 2018, Francis assured him that God made Cruz gay. Cruz tells his own story in snippets throughout the film, chronicling both Francis’ evolution on understanding sexual abuse as well as to document the pope’s views on gay people.

Director Evgeny Afineevsky had remarkable access to cardinals, the Vatican television archives and the pope himself. He said he negotiated his way in through persistence, and deliveries of Argentine mate tea and Alfajores cookies that he got to the pope via some well-connected Argentines in Rome.

“Listen, when you are in the Vatican, the only way to achieve something is to break the rule and then to say, ‘I’m sorry,’” Afineevsky said in an interview ahead of the premiere.

The director worked official and unofficial channels starting in early 2018, and ended up so close to Francis by the end of the project that he showed the pope the movie on his iPad in August. The two recently exchanged Yom Kippur greetings; Afineevsky is a Russian-born Jew who lives in Los Angeles.

But “Francesco” is more than a biopic about the pope.

Wim Wenders did that in the 2018 film “Pope Francis: A Man of His Word,” which premiered at the Cannes Film Festival. “Francesco,” is more a visual survey of the world’s crises and tragedies, with audio from the pope providing possible ways to solve them.

Afineevsky traveled the world to film it: the settings include Cox’s Bazaar in Bangladesh where Myanmar’s Rohingya sought refuge; the U.S.-Mexico border and Francis’ native Argentina.

“The film tells the story of the pope by reversing the cameras,” said Vatican communications director Paolo Ruffini, who was one of Afineevsky’s closest Vatican-based collaborators on the film.

Ruffini said that when Afineevsky first approached him with the idea of a documentary, he tried to tamp down his hopes for interviewing the pope.

“I told him it wasn’t going to be easy,” he said.

But Ruffini gave him some advice: names of people who had been impacted by the pope, even after just a brief meeting. Afineevsky found them: the refugees Francis met with on some of his foreign trips, prisoners he blessed, and some of the gays to whom he has ministered.

“I told him that many of those encounters had certainly been filmed by the Vatican cameras, and that there he would find a veritable gold mine of stories that told a story,” Ruffini said. “He would be able to tell story of the pope through the eyes of all and not just his own.”: Francis Endorses Same-Sex Civil Unions For The First Time As Pope | Talking Points Memo

Note: the picture above is mine. Better than what was in the article

Originally Posted by S Landreth

“Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God,” Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. “What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.”

About time . . .

Next - get rid of celibacy for priests

...Still not enough: distribute church wealth to the masses, turn the Vatican into a museum, dress in sack cloth for the rest of your Papal life ...and apologize...maybe then I'll let you wash my feet...

Originally Posted by panama hat

About time . . .

Next - get rid of celibacy for priests

Yes. I'm not sure how one ministers to a flock, especially couples, without knowing the vicissitudes of marriage. They certainly should not be alone with children without a lay person present.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...Still not enough: distribute church wealth to the masses, turn the Vatican into a museum, dress in sack cloth for the rest of your Papal life ...and apologize...maybe then I'll let you wash my feet...

Maybe you could forego the chardonnay and restaurant set your so fond of reporting on, don the sack cloth and donate the money saved to the poor to set an example.

That will get reversed. This is the last socialist pope

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

your

...you're...

Originally Posted by Backspin

This is the last socialist pope

I often wonder how severely fucked in the head you are . . . and then you post again and I'm still left in that sphere.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I'm not sure how one ministers to a flock, especially couples, without knowing the vicissitudes of marriage.

Priests . . . Catholics. Absolutely agree. Our youngest went through catechism a while ago and had running 'discussions' with the priest about homosexuality and the vow of celibacy etc...

This is where the Protestant/Lutheran teachings are far more advanced

Originally Posted by panama hat

This is where the Protestant/Lutheran teachings are far more advanced

...I would say different rather than advanced...

Gay Christians,burn them all

Originally Posted by Chico

Gay Christians,burn them all

Dumb humans . . . burn them all. Clearly you're first in line, chico

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Albert Einstein

...^words to live by...obviously, Einstein wasn't an evangelical...

...I wonder how long it took for the news to arrive at Oxford...

There's a huge backlash growing in the church to overthrow this pope. That's just a fact

Originally Posted by panama hat

Dumb humans . . . burn them all. Clearly you're first in line, chico

Says the guy who hates Chinese, Russians and Serbs. And pretty much any other country that isn't fully aligned politically with the US.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Says the guy who hates Chinese, Russians and Serbs. And pretty much any other country that isn't fully aligned politically with the US.

It's refreshing to see you make a fool of yourself so early in the morning . . . you've been through this diatribe of yours previously. Go outside, walk . . . breathe in and the get skullfucked by the local trannie.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...I wonder how long it took for the news to arrive at Oxford...

probably as long as it took to get to you

As a young horney adolescent in a small town lacking same species females, I was quite taken with the family ewe and she quite appreciated me. Should be a law allowing interspecies marriage!

You're baaaaaaaaaaad

Originally Posted by Backspin

There's a huge backlash growing in the church to overthrow this pope.

...link?...or you're making this up...again...