Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Our resident wussy has his knickers in a twist.

Lose any sleep over this CMN?

Best go see a shrink.

didn't read the article did you Tex.

and that is a very pissy response.

bit long for you i suppose.

I have actually been doing some research into brit's claim that ex-detainees were responsible for commiting further atrocities even though they committed none in the first place.

still looking.

Two birds with one stone CMN, about the doco's you were asking about:

'Taxi to the Darkside' - Taxi.To.The.Dark.Side.2007.DVDRip.XviD-VoMiT : Movies > Documentary - Mininova

Award winning documentary on "Dilwar", an Afghan taxi driver, who was murdered whilst under extrajudicial detention at Bagram Air Base. Not exactly Gitmo obviously but in a related vein. Also takes a look at the CIA's use of torture and attempts by the US congress to 'jusitfy' it under the Geneva Convention. Great watch.

in what way exactly is it wussy to feel sympathy at an injustice this grave?

Jonathan Kay agreeing with the wussy bleeding hearts.

have a look at this.

balance is a good thing if you can't get hold of your lithium.

This is a bad day for Canada. As I write this at 1pm Tuesday, piteous video images from Omar Khadr’s interrogation at Guantanamo Bay are not only the #1 news item on the National Post web site, but also the lead item on BBC News and USA Today. Millions of Web surfers are now wondering why Canada’s government has acquiesced — and as the video shows, even participated — in the unconscionable treatment of a blubbering boy-soldier.

As someone who otherwise considers himself one of the War on Terror’s noisiest Canadian cheerleaders, I submit that the bleeding hearts are right on this one: Omar Khadr needs to come home.

Jonathan Kay: Free Omar Khadr | freedetainees.org

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

in what way exactly is it wussy to feel sympathy at an injustice this grave?

Independent thought, reliance of facts not propoganda, lacking a rush to judgement, refusal to support the Govt. purely on the basis that they're the Govt...

These are the hallmarks of 'girly-men'.

I have spent today reading a lot of tough talk on the blogs about how Khadr should be “waterboarded until he stops crying” and such. I wonder if those same hawks could tell me how they would have turned out if they’d been told — literally, since the day they were born — about the necessity of jihad and the beauty of martyrdom; if, since early days, they’d been propagandized into believing that the West was waging a genocidal war against Muslims; and that military resistance was the only path of survival. Are we to expect some sort of inborn moral sense to activate — to tell us that everything being told to us by our own parents is wrong — even before one is old enough to shave?

I know about 20,000 former child soldiers in Sierra Leone who could tell you the answer to that question. And unlike Khadr, not one of them stands accused of “Violation of the Law of War.”

...........

this is good, independant journalism in my opinion.....

from the same article.

Even if Khadr did kill Sgt. Speer, he did so as a soldier, not a terrorist. There’s little doubt that Ahmed Khadr was training his sons to be terrorists — the sort of people who blow up buses and restaurants, or who wear civilian clothing as they lie in wait to detonate explosives under vehicle convoys. But what Omar Khadr did on June 27, 2002 wasn’t terrorism. It was participation in a military engagement — a fact that can’t be changed merely by slapping a label like “unlawful combatant” on him.

Moreover, it was a military engagement fought on American terms: After U.S. soldiers sealed off the village encampment housing Khadr’s cell, they prosecuted the siege with about 100 troops, some of them Special Forces, as well as Apache helicopters, F-18 Hornets and A-10 Warthogs. You can say that Khadr was fighting in an evil cause when he was captured, but you can’t say that he was preying on the defenseless.



Even if you don’t buy anything I’ve written above, Khadr’s treatment still ranks as abominable. Let us assume that Omar Khadr actually threw the grenade that killed Sgt Christopher Speer; that he did so as a cold-blooded killer, not as a soldier; and that his status as a child combatant is irrelevant — in short, that Omar Khadr is a murderer. Well then, how do we treat murderers in Western countries? Answer: We put them in jail. We don’t beat them; or move them from cell to cell every three hours; or terrify them with threats of pedophilic rape; or deny them appropriate medical care — all punishments that Khadr has endured — a litany of abuse so traumatic that, according to one piteous detail among many, he took to falling asleep at Guantanamo desperately hugging a Mickey Mouse book brought to him as a gift. In the space of six years incarceration, Khadr has endured more brutality than any ordinary jailbird would endure in 60.

I have spent today reading a lot of tough talk on the blogs about how Khadr should be “waterboarded until he stops crying” and such.

These Internet Warriors & Tough Guys(c) need to be detained for a few years without charge. See how gung-ho they are after that. My money's on them losing their voices after only a few days of screaming for their rights.

There's an unfortunate trend of judging guilt or innocence based on the blogosphere - if it makes more than two right-wing blogs, guy's guilty. If it is then cut 'n pasted from said blogs, guy's guilty as sin.

and we wonder why muslims are becoming more militant.

that movie I watched last night about the brummie lads unlawfully held for 5 years and then released.

they were non practising muslims before their abuse, more interested in girls and skateboarding and just having fun.

and we wonder why muslims are becoming more militant.

Same point I made about Kdahar. If he wasn't militant and vehemently opposed to the US before he went in, chances are he will be when he comes out.

High-Calorie Diet Fattens Gitmo Inmates



SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- A high-calorie diet combined with life in the cell block _ almost around the clock in some cases _ is making detainees at Guantanamo Bay fat.


Meals totaling a whopping 4,200 calories per day are brought to their cells, well above the 2,000 to 3,000 calories recommended for weight maintenance by U.S. government dietary guidelines. And some inmates are eating everything on the menu.


High-Calorie Diet Fattens Gitmo Inmates - washingtonpost.com

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

These Internet Warriors & Tough Guys(c) need to be detained for a few years without charge. See how gung-ho they are after that.

Most people have the common sense to stay out of known war zones -- especially when carrying guns and bombs.

More interested in skateboards (as a means of getaway) and cars (well no shit )

My favorite war crime has been the jailhouse blowjob:

British soldiers forced a boy of 14 to carry out an act of oral sex on a fellow male prisoner in Iraq, according to shocking new allegations made about the behaviour of British troops.

The Ministry of Defence confirmed yesterday that the Royal Military Police (RMP) have launched an investigation. If the allegations are proved, it would mark a sordid low in the behaviour of British troops in Iraq, and damage further the reputation of Britain in the Middle East.

The victim, now 19, whom The Independent on Sunday has agreed to identify only as Hassan, says he was rounded up with a friend while trying to steal milk cartons from a food distribution centre. He was whipped, beaten and forced to strip naked.

British soldiers accused of sickening sex assault on Iraqi boy, 14 - Home News, UK - The Independent

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Under what chapter of the Geneva Convention does that one fall?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- A high-calorie diet combined with life in the cell block _ almost around the clock in some cases _ is making detainees at Guantanamo Bay fat.

they are allowed 5 minutes of exercise a day.

so your point is?

Originally Posted by Texpat

British soldiers forced a boy of 14 to carry out an act of oral sex on a fellow male prisoner in Iraq, according to shocking new allegations made about the behaviour of British troops.

tex, this is not an 'our troops behave as badly as your troops thread.'

that's a given.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

These Internet Warriors & Tough Guys(c) need to be detained for a few years without charge. See how gung-ho they are after that.

Most people have the common sense to stay out of known war zones -- especially when carrying guns and bombs.

Specious. What about guys like the one in CMN's OP? People almost literally grabbed off the streets of foreign countries and subjected to extraordinary rendition.

I like how you slip the bit about 'carrying guns and bombs' in there too. No doubt that'll become the next repeated-enough-tobecome-blanket-fact-in-all-cases thing seized upon. I would like to know however what guns and bombs Murat Kurnaz and Dilwar were carrying?

YouTube - Guantanamo Bay prisoner on MTV's Cribs

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by britmaveric

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- A high-calorie diet combined with life in the cell block _ almost around the clock in some cases _ is making detainees at Guantanamo Bay fat.

they are allowed 5 minutes of exercise a day.

so your point is?

My guess is that Brit is seeking to portray this as somehow an indication that they're being taken care of; equating the weight-gain to somehow meaning the conditions must be good.

Nevermind the fact that it's a clearly unhealthy diet and existence.

YouTube - harold and kumar escape from guantanamo bay official trailer

wish he'd put his keen googling efforts into producing a shred of evidence that those released go on to blow stuff up.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Same point I made about Kdahar. If he wasn't militant and vehemently opposed to the US before he went in, chances are he will be when he comes out.

OBL's driver. (why would someone hire a driver who's not old enough to have a license?) OBL himself praised Khadr's father for "tossing his little child in the furnace of the battle", and likens his son to a lion cub. Surely he meant Lion King.

Has it occurred to you why the Canadian government hasn't come to his aid, but rather agreed to keeping him locked up like the terrorist he is?

Well this is about Gitmo stories, so just moving the thread along.

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mods.

brit is fukking around.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

wish he'd put his keen googling efforts into producing a shred of evidence that those released go on to blow stuff up.

Back up a statement with actual verifiable, objective, evidence?

That's for namby-pamby, wishy-washy, girly-men!