Thread: Should you eat meat and dairy products?

God Damn, Scared the shit out of me when I read this.
So from now on it will be no more that 1 qt of Ice cream, 2 liters of 100% milk and not over 2 kg of rare beef a day.

Dr. Mirkin's Fitness & Health eZine
April 5, 2009
Should You Drink Milk and Eat Dairy Products?
In this month's issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition is a debate on whether milk causes cancer, heart attacks and a shortened life span (March 25, 2009). Dr. Amy Lanou of the University of North Carolina in Asheville, NC, writes that you don't need milk to be healthy. There is little evidence that the calcium in milk prevents osteoporosis. Osteoporotic bone fracture rates are highest in countries that consume the most dairy products, and most studies of fracture risk provide no evidence that dairy products benefit bone. But Dr. Connie Weaver of Purdue University claims that studies show that dairy products are associated with reduced risk of stroke, metabolic syndrome, and some cancers. She does admit that dairy products can elevate blood levels of insulin-like growth factor (a cancer promoter), and that the high calcium content of milk can reduce blood levels of active 1,25 dihydroxy vitamin D (a cancer preventer). The issue is far from settled. Extensive theoretical evidence shows that whole milk dairy products are full of saturated fat and cholesterol that may increase risk for heart attacks. We do not know if dairy products really increase cancer risk. Professor Ajit Varki, of U Cal/San Diego, proposes a theory to explain why eating meat, which contains Neu5Gc, increases risk for cancers, heart attacks and arthritis. If his theory is correct, dairy products should also be linked to these diseases because milk also contains Neu5Gc, although in much smaller amounts (meat has seven times more Neu5Gc than dairy products). More on this at Avoid Red Meat
http://www.drmirkin.com/public/ezine111608.html
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Happy eating dudes.

Originally Posted by blackgang

God Damn, Scared the shit out of me when I read this.

Shit BG, if we listened to all the experts on what is dangerous to consume, we would die of thirst or hunger.

Screw the experts you and I know they all have some sort of agenda. As with anything, moderation in consumption is the key to good health.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Dr. Mirkin

could we have a subforum for Dr. Merkins emails ?

Originally Posted by Norton

Shit BG, if we listened to all the experts on what is dangerous to consume, we would die of thirst or hunger. Screw the experts you and I know they all have some sort of agenda. As with anything, moderation in consumption is the key to good health

Well said Norton, I've not eaten fruit or vegetables for over 20 years and feel as fit as a fiddle, never been to be checked out though, that bit kinda scares me.

I'm trying to give up smoking at the moment and now this!

Better top myself as there seems nothing out there that is good for me.

Fook the experts, my grandfather had 17 kids, ran a dairy farm, smoked and drank until his death (78 years old) and I would be well pleased to reach that age.

I think some people will die at an early age just by worrying about everything!

Stress and obesity are the biggest killers as far as I am concerned so lets light up the barbeque and bring me a beer!

in a word, yes.

you need proteins, lipids, calcium and a myriad of other nutrients to stay healthy.

So then you think I be OK with this tiddling amount a day?

So from now on it will be no more that 1 qt of Ice cream, 2 liters of 100% milk and not over 2 kg of rare beef a day.

In a recent lecture I attended a Dr made a rather salient, and obvious point, regarding scientific or medical information on the internet.

He said to avoid .com's since they are websites that someone has paid to use, and therefore usually have an agenda. More reliable websites tend to be .gov's and .edu's (i.e. government bodies and educational institutions.

Hence, here is some reasonable information regarding milk...

FOOD GROUPS TO ENCOURAGE

• Consume a sufficient amount of fruits and vegetables while staying within energy needs. Two cups of fruit and 2½ cups of vegetables per day are recommended for a reference 2,000-calorie intake, with higher or lower amounts depending on the calorie level.
• Choose a variety of fruits and vegetables each day. In particular, select from all five vegetable subgroups (dark green, orange, legumes, starchy vegetables, and other vegetables) several times a week.
• Consume 3 or more ounce-equivalents of whole-grain products per day, with the rest of the recommended grains coming from enriched or whole-grain products. In general, at least half the grains should come from whole grains.
• Consume 3 cups per day of fat-free or low-fat milk or equivalent milk products.

from Key Recommendations for the General Population, Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2005

whereas, the same search on .com's produces this garbage...

Recent Shocking Studies: Milk Causes Osteoporosis!

However, more recent evidence has suggested a startling new finding: milk causes osteoporosis. The research may make you re-think that daily calcium ...
Recent Shocking Studies: Milk Causes Osteoporosis!milk-causes-osteoporosis/

Originally Posted by blackgang

So then you think I be OK with this tiddling amount a day? So from now on it will be no more that 1 qt of Ice cream, 2 liters of 100% milk and not over 2 kg of rare beef a day.

I think so mate...

however, perhaps you need to add a block of cheese to that

Dead animals, dead vegetables and dairy stuff.

That's all you need.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

you need proteins, lipids, calcium and a myriad of other nutrients to stay healthy.

What would you suggest and to be happy KW!

I knew this GM and one of our biggest customers in Oz and he was a health freak, swimming daily, never smoked or drank alcohol, healthy food and a perfect vision of health. Personality wise he was a bit of a wet sail but he seemed happy enough in his fit, trim body although his wife had just done a runner with their kids.

Called his office one morning and was told that he had died the previous evening, massive brain hemorrhage whilst playing squash and he was 38 years young.

Yes it is good to eat the correct foods obviously but how far do you compromise your lifestyle based upon guess work from some other human being.

FFS they can't even cure the common cold yet.

Originally Posted by blackgang

So from now on it will be no more that 1 qt of Ice cream, 2 liters of 100% milk and not over 2 kg of rare beef a day.

We all gotta die of something. Enjoy one of the few pleasures you have left at our age. Eat all that stuff. Avoid the coffee ice cream though.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

FFS they can't even cure the common cold yet.

Thai doctors can...

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Yes it is good to eat the correct foods obviously but how far do you compromise your lifestyle based upon guess work from some other human being.

I dont compromise my lifestyle. Its all about balance.

I do eat healthy foods. Its also about quality of lifestyle. A crap diet is going to negatively impact your health and make you feel crap.

However, I'm also happy to tuck into a decent steak with mushroom sauce and lashings of buttery mashed potato on the side washed down with a beer once a week.

Also, it aint guesswork, a real scientific studies will use thousands of people and solid science to predict cause & effect of diets. Not a .com website or email telling you to STOP eating red meat NOW NOW NOW or you'll die!

jesus christ on a cross BG, your that bloody old and you give a fuck about what your gonna shit? hook in mate, at where your at i,d be bloody happy to do what the fuck i want let alone whats bad for me! ...

I love good old Australian meat pies, roast pork crackling, a big fook-off T'bone steak and chips even the dripping when my wife does a mixed grill with fresh bread.

I watch my weight but don't particularly do a lot of exercise either but I can still do 50 push ups but with a lot of extra effort these days.

In my opinion its all about carrying too much extra weight and the minute I can't hang a big shit every morning is the time I will start to worry.

Meanwhile bring on all that shitty, tasty, greazzzy beautiful food along with a few beers.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Consume 3 or more ounce-equivalents of whole-grain products per day, with the rest of the recommended grains coming from enriched or whole-grain products. In general, at least half the grains should come from whole grains.

That can be covered with a couple of beers. plus it has hops for the veg.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Dead animals, dead vegetables and dairy stuff. That's all you need

That is exactly what I have in mind.

Originally Posted by Norton

We all gotta die of something. Enjoy one of the few pleasures you have left at our age. Eat all that stuff. Avoid the coffee ice cream though

Ain't supposed to do coffee, plus that the flavor of coffee ice cream makes me want to puke.
Fuck that skim milk too, we called it Blue John, after grandma skimmed the cream off the milk pans the pigs got the blue John in the slops.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Dead animals, dead vegetables and dairy stuff.

That's all you need.

The latest in super healthy food is supposed to be raw food:-

So, eat live animals, live veggies, live dairy stuff and swill it all down with lots of lovely live beer

Originally Posted by Airportwo

So, eat live animals

Err..no thanks!

not together
and
not on a friday

Originally Posted by TuPac

Well said Norton, I've not eaten fruit or vegetables for over 20 years and feel as fit as a fiddle, never been to be checked out though, that bit kinda scares me.

So you only eat dead animals then?

The reason you should be in jail is because you are to brain dead to be out among the the population as you can cause harm to yourself or others.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Meanwhile bring on all that shitty, tasty, greazzzy beautiful food along with a few beers.

i.ll have what he,s haveiing, ta

just wondering though, does drinking 'turkey' count as food?

BEER, The Perfect Food!!

Originally Posted by nedwalk

does drinking 'turkey' count as food?

No it's ok. Just don't drink (or eat) and of those domestic ones. Pumped full of hormones. Stick with the wild ones.