Another lockdown… another commute

[katie23]

Sorry, but which is the turnip in post 292? What's the color/ colour? (serious question)

I googled turnip and the pics show me a white root crop with reddish part (towards the leaves) - Brassica rapa. I think we don't have that in PH.

What we have is apparently Mexican turnip/ jicama (Pachyrhizus erosus), locally known as singkamas. We eat it raw as a snack, in salads, or sometimes as an ingredient in spring rolls or stir fry.

I've also eaten kohlrabi (German turnip, Brassica oleracea) in Europe - it was in a stir fry dish.

TIA

[OhOh]

I'm working on a

an important layer because it can't be trenched through..

Thanks for the insight.

And fresh fruit.

[baldrick]

And it's not a 'room', it's a 'cabin'

erm - the room where the ships officers eat is the wardroom

I wus wun in my yoof

[Edmond]

And it's not a 'room', it's a 'cabin'... we're on a boat and you have to get nautical.

On a boat you need to get nautical
Mendy skips along quite naughtiful.
The maid cleans his cabin,
gets a good sweaty stabbin'
Til she cries out in pleasure 'My port is full'.

[baldrick]

^ sally brown ?



black flag was a fun game

[bsnub]

I googled turnip and the pics show me a white root crop with reddish part (towards the leaves) - Brassica rapa. I think we don't have that in PH.

No Katie you do not have them in the PH. Turnips are similar to radishes. The turnip in that pic is most likely to the right of the carrots.

[Klondyke]

Mendip, very important to be aware of scorbutus, scurvy.

In my young years I read about seamen staying for long months on ships, their teeth dropping out, a terrible disease.

In order to cure it the ships loaded plenty of Sauerkraut, the best one stomped in large vats by young girls virgins (boys?). During the long trampling certain "natural" ingredient had been dropping out of the virgins that improved the efficacy...

Have you foreseen something like this?

[David48atTD]

Mendip, very important to be aware of scorbutus, scurvy.

In my young years I read about seamen staying for long months on ships, their teeth dropping out, a terrible disease.

In order to cure it the ships loaded plenty of Sauerkraut, the best one stomped in large vats by young girls virgins (boys?). During the long trampling certain "natural" ingredient had been dropping out of the virgins that improved the efficacy...

Have you foreseen something like this?

James Lind: The man who helped to cure scurvy with lemons



James Lind is remembered as the man who helped to conquer a killer disease. His reported experiment on board a naval ship in 1747 showed that oranges and lemons were a cure for scurvy. But why did the Royal Navy, which celebrates the tercentenary of Lind's birth on 4 October 2016, take nearly half a century to act on his findings?


For 18th Century sailors, disease during long sea voyages was often more dangerous than enemy action.


One British expedition to raid Spanish holdings in the Pacific Ocean in the 1740s lost 1,300 of an original complement of 2,000 men to illness.

The commander, George Anson, said "almost the whole crew" was afflicted by symptoms including a "luxuriancy of funguous flesh... putrid gums and... the most dreadful terrors".

Many sailors suffered "a strange dejection of the spirits" and lay immobile, while others who "resolved to get out of their hammocks, have died before they could well reach the deck".

James Lind: The man who helped to cure scurvy with lemons - BBC News

[David48atTD]

In a Mendy thread we cover the virtual rainbow of discussion points

[Mendip]

^^^ Klondyke, no, in 30 years of working at sea I haven't yet come across nubile young, naked virgins trampling sauerkraut but I will live in hope that the practise is re-introduced. I'll suggest it to the OM.

^^ They also used lime juice to prevent scurvey hence Brits are still known as 'Limeys' in The States'.

We have loads of limes in the garden... I should have brought a few along.

[baldrick]

vitamin c - eat your broccoli raw

[Saint Willy]

black flag was a fun game

Sure was.

[nidhogg]

Mendip, very important to be aware of scorbutus, scurvy.

In my young years I read about seamen staying for long months on ships, their teeth dropping out, a terrible disease.

In order to cure it the ships loaded plenty of Sauerkraut, the best one stomped in large vats by young girls virgins (boys?). During the long trampling certain "natural" ingredient had been dropping out of the virgins that improved the efficacy...

Have you foreseen something like this?

To my surprise, there is a kernel of truth in this. Sauerkraut was indeed one of the foods tested by Captain James Cook as part of a British navy attempt to solve the problems of scurvy.

Magical Sour Cabbage: How Sauerkraut Helped Save the Age of Sail - Modern Farmer

As to the strange sexual add-on, think Klondyke has been reading some weird fetish porn.

[Saint Willy]

As to the strange sexual add-on, think Klondyke has been reading some weird fetish porn.

Very, and that was one of his more comprehensible posts...

[panama hat]

As to the strange sexual add-on, think Klondyke has been reading some weird fetish porn.

You 'think'? I'd say it's a certainty and at his age that's probably why he is so angry.

Very, and that was one of his more comprehensible posts...

Surprising, really . . . not one anti-western tirade in the post.

erm - the room where the ships officers eat is the wardroom

I wus wun in my yoof

You wuz a wardroom?

[dirk diggler]

Typically peeled, chopped and boiled until tender, then mashed with some butter and pepper. In Scotland, known as 'Neeps'.

Canna eat neeps withoot huggis n tatties. Whisky sass.

[dirk diggler]

When I was a loon we got turnips instead of pumpkins at Hallowe'en. Took a week to carve it into a Jack-o'-Lantern with a scalpol.

[Headworx]

I have my geophysicist hat on for this trip... my job is to go through the acoustic sub-seabed data (same principal as the seismic data that exploration geos look at... but I'm interested in the top 20 metres below the seabed max, whereas they are looking kilometres below the seabed)

Mendip I hope you don't mind me adding this, but some might find it interesting knowing a little bit about how oil-well positions are determined and seeing as you've got your Geophysicist hat on now and there's the makings of an anticline going on..

Just in case anyone's wondering what seismic data looks like kilometers under the surface, here's a 2D slice out of a 3D cube that represents around 25 km in length (left to right) and roughly 4,500 meters or 15,000 ft in depth (top to bottom) but as I'm too lazy to go looking for the exact acquisition parameters and velocities (which I shouldn't still have on my Hard Drive anyway) they're just ballpark numbers. This is seismic data in its rawest possible form (known as a Brute Stack) and only used as a daily QC tool to see everything is working properly while production is ongoing, the final sections and cubes produced by onshore processing centers who have the time, very highly qualified personnel, and extremely expensive computing power/software to enhance the data to its full potential is incomparably superior. I can see glimpses of deep structures trying to peek through that would look fantastic once processed properly, the shallow data is very evident and interesting though.

Your typical Oil Co. Exploration Geophysicist would be talking to the Exploration Manager and Drilling Department immediately after seeing data like this, after having had a wank of course assuming he was the one who designed the exploration program then got the approval/money from above to do it and after having blown an alarming amount of millions of shareholders cash on failed projects lately



Just to simplify what I meant by a 2D slice from a 3D cube because I know it's a bit confusing, if a seismic contractor did a (say) 1000 square kilometer survey the final product they'd give the Oil Company is a digital 3D cube, imagine a multi layered square or rectangular cake if you will. And you have the software and huge screens to be able to rotate that cake, slice into it anywhere you want, cut it in half, or quarters, or hundredths, colour different layers in so you can follow them easily, and look at any part of inside it from any angle you chose. The image above would be like cutting a slice somewhere in it length-ways, and having a look.

[katie23]

Headworx: was that what you were doing in Myanmar in the 90s? (or was it 80s) looking for oil? if that was you - I can't recall if that was you who posted old pics in my Myanmar pic thread.

@bsnub - thnx for the info. The radishes that we have here are the white radish (long), but I've seen the round red radish in colder climes.

I can't imagine radish being boiled & mashed, but whatever floats your boat! (or vessel)

[Headworx]

Headworx: was that what you were doing in Myanmar in the 90s? (or was it 80s) looking for oil?

Yes it was, and looking for oil/gas there in the 80's is what we were doing.

[katie23]

^cool! So my memory is still good. That pic thread and Myanmar trip was >4 years ago. Fond memories of that trip. It's sad to think about Myanmar's situation now.

During that time, the hotel staff in Yangon (young people) were so hopeful about their country, since they've just had democracy & elections a few months before. Now it's back to military rule again. Sigh...

[David48atTD]

Just to simplify what I meant by a 2D slice from a 3D cube because I know it's a bit confusing,

Like taking a slice of bread out of a loaf? 2D slice of a 3D loaf

[panama hat]

I can see Jesus in the picture . . .

Just to simplify what I meant by a 2D slice from a 3D cube because I know it's a bit confusing, if a seismic contractor did a (say) 1000 square kilometer survey the final product they'd give the Oil Company is a digital 3D cube, imagine a multi layered square or rectangular cake if you will. And you have the software and huge screens to be able to rotate that cake, slice into it anywhere you want, cut it in half, or quarters, or hundredths, colour different layers in so you can follow them easily, and look at any part of inside it from any angle you chose. The image above would be like cutting a slice somewhere in it length-ways, and having a look.

This is simplified????

But seriously, it's fascinating, thank you

[Mendip]

^ Isn't it just PH!

Mendip I hope you don't mind me adding this, but some might find it interesting knowing a little bit about how oil-well positions are determined ..

Of course not HW, this is what this thread should be all about... not food and failed diets.

You obviously work with proper geos... I wouldn't know where to start interpreting 3D seismic data.

But... deep seismics or my shallow sub-bottom profiler data... it's all the same principal of sending sound waves down through the ground and measuring the two way travel time (transducer to layer and back again) of the sound waves reflecting back from horizons within the rock or sediment. Once you have set a sound velocity for each rock or sediment layer the travel time can be accurately converted to distance. The difference is, your guys will propagate low frequency sound waves (20 to 50 Hz?) to get penetration of many thousands of metres but at low resolution whereas I work with high frequency sound waves (1 to 10 kHz) to get high resolution but penetration of only 20 to 30m.

I guess you've shown me yours HW so now it's my turn...

This is typical sub-bottom profiler data that I work with. Vertical lines are 100m apart, horizontal lines are 5m apart. The top-most line with a red overlay is the seabed.

This data was from an old project but with similar shallow geology to the project I'm currently working on. The lower strong continuous horizon across the record around 10m below seabed represents the top of a glacial boulder clay... this is always the layer of interest in Norwegian projects because the boulder clay is as hard as fukk and full of boulders, and is of concern for platform foundations and for pipeline/cable routes. It can't be trenched through and if outcropping at the seabed will cause freespans (unsupported sections of pipelines or cables) because it is so unyielding. During the last ice age the ice sheet sat on the boulder clay for several thousand years during glaciation, the weight of the ice compressing and over-consolidating the underlying sediment. We always always like to see a few metres of soft sediment overlying the boulder clay.



And typical geotechnical results we try and tie in to the acoustic data. Here you can see the CPT (Cone Penetration Test) probe stopped abruptly at 3m depth, on hitting the boulder clay. We need geotech to give some grounding to the interpretation of the acoustic data. So, for the data above, I'd be hoping to see geotech results showing a hard clay at around 10m depth... if not I'd have to start thinking my interpretation again.

[Headworx]

Like taking a slice of bread out of a loaf? 2D slice of a 3D loaf

To describe the screenshot I posted, that's a very good way to put it David! Here's a couple of representation pics that might make things a little clearer, the first shows a Marine seismic vessel acquiring data and the end-product 3D cube under it. Of course it doesn't happen in real-time like this and the cube is weeks or months away from being ready once acquisition ends, but it still shows what's going on and perhaps makes my layered cake comparison a little less nutty. The top of the cube is the ocean bottom obviously, then we are looking at what's going on for thousand of meters under the sea bed.



And here's a cube being pulled apart on someone's screen to follow layers and really see what's going on down there, there's no limits to what the software allows explorations teams to digitally dissect hoping to find what might be hydrocarbon bearing layers or traps. The data in these examples is text-book stuff, and completely insane.

I can see Jesus in the picture . . .

And if you asked 5 Geophysicists what they saw you'd get 5 different answers too! This is where the rotary lie detector comes into play, which is also known as a drill rig. I see 1 or 2 vertical well locations that might be interesting and 1 directional well location where the drill would go down to about 2200 meters before taking a right hand turn and continuing along between those 2 layers. Keep in mind, these layers would typically all be pretty much flat and the big question is what's made them dip or rise or overlap each other or create faults in any given areas over millions of years, or not a day over 6000 years if you're a Jesus wheezer
Also keep in mind hydrocarbons are typically under extreme pressures, or most certainly have been at some stage of their development, so if you start putting 2 and 2 together...

You obviously work with proper geos...

Ohhh yes, quite a few very good ones too including 2 Presidents of the SEG (Society of Exploration Geophysicists), and a large number of muppets who didn't know their arse from their elbow as well. Young guys who say "but in University we learned.." are the worst, fuck the classroom theory Son and welcome to the real world with real money being risked.

But... deep seismics or my shallow sub-bottom profiler data... it's all the same principal of sending sound waves down through the ground and measuring the two way travel time (transducer to layer and back again) of the sound waves reflecting back from horizons within the rock or sediment. Once you have set a sound velocity for each rock or sediment layer the travel time can be accurately converted to distance. The difference is, your guys will propagate low frequency sound waves (20 to 50 Hz?) to get penetration of many thousands of metres but at low resolution whereas I work with high frequency sound waves (1 to 10 kHz) to get high resolution but penetration of only 20 to 30m.

Nailed it, including the lower frequencies used to penetrate far deeper due to their longer wave length. To be honest, when you look at the reflection seismic method it proababy shouldn't work! Ok we can easily get a grip on something like depth sounders on boats sending a pulse down and seeing how long it takes to hit the ocean floor and return to the surface, we know salt water has a velocity of roughly 1500 m/s so it's no rocket science to calculate that and show us any raises and dips along the way in a nice display, might even spot a few fish too! But to start putting enough energy into the water or ground to penetrate 10,000+ meters into the earth and reflect all the different layers of unknown velocities back to the surface with the resolution and accuracy to put a drill rig on top of some target miles under the ground and expect success?. Get the fuck out of here!