Thread: "UK Immigration has made a decision on your visa...

FECKING BASTARDS.
Sorry about the bad news lets hope you get home soon.

I could try again - but the fact that they've apparently totally overlooked half of paperwork we submitted has left a very sour taste and I actually feel physically ill when thinking about it.

Will breathe deep for a week or two and reaccess.

Oh, crap.....sorry mate

Ta mate. These things happen.

Originally Posted by somtamslap

I could try again - but the fact that they've apparently totally overlooked half of paperwork we submitted has left a very sour taste and I actually feel physically ill when thinking about it.

Will breathe deep for a week or two and reaccess.

Gutted for you both.
Chin up old chap hope you feel happier soon.

Cheers fella.

Gives me a good excuse to return though doesn't it...

Just a shame my job over here is half decent.

Even if it is in Croydon.

Taxi!

Did you learn nothing mate?

You can "check out" any time you like. But you can never leave.



Fuck it - worse places to be

Originally Posted by [B]Tarquin Chucklefucc[/B]

Fuck it - worse places to be

Best... nic... ever!

Originally Posted by somtamslap

for reasons which I am simply unable to fathom

Sorry to hear of the setback. One door closes another opens, just remember to walk smartly through it and lock it behind you. There are always publishers in Hawaii.

Read your "novel" perhaps?

Somtamslap;

First my condolences, I know the denial is a shock and a slap-in-the-face. I also know the anger you feel.

Take your deep breath and think about it before you make a decision. Don’t let anger cloud your judgment.


I’m American, so, no apples-to-apples comparison here. However, in the USA, earlier times, some 13/14 years ago.

Back then, in the USA, if your wife was eligible for an immigration visa, she would be denied a tourist (visitors) visa. The USA would want her to apply for an immigration visa.

Originally Posted by somtamslap

^ Visiting family / or tourist visa I think the chap said they are now called.

Again, I offer my condolences, and I’m not comparing apples-to-apples as I don’t know your immigration system. But, is it possible that her “tourist or visitors” visa was denied because she is eligible for and should be applying for "permanent legal residence" as the spouse of a citizen?

Because of the financial implications and benefits I would not consider leaving the job until I had exhausted all my options. If I was in your shoes, I would be investigating an immigration visa for my wife.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

Appreciate you gentlemen taking the time out to offer advice.

Obliged as ever.

Now, I believe I have four extremely strong lagers that are in need of my undivided attention.

Originally Posted by somtamslap

Nope.

Didn't happen - for reasons which I am simply unable to fathom. The embassy official are either blind or thick as fucking pig shit.

However, this makes my decision to return East quite easy...

If it's any consolation, not that long ago (2011), I tried helping my parents-in-law to come over to the UK.

What was very obvious (reading between the lines) was that the creature handling the application was determined to reject the application, unless a godzilla-sized rabbit was pulled out of the hat.

The brutal reality is that it seems the days of easy visas are over, and you have to assemble a super-case to get through, because they will default to no, and use anything to reject.

In her mum's case there was whiffs of - NHS dependence, of undermining the childcare system, and of them being somehow dishonest, you knew it was a waste of time.
The fact that they hadn't seen their daughter for a decade, nor two grandchildren, and wanted to visit for her uni graduation for engineering at a Russell Group UK uni where she has money to pay back into the UK system, after growing up in the remote rural borderlands where most people are illiterate. She feels like because she had it so easy getting in years ago (we were both students), that it's some kind of spite.
If I'm honest, I wouldn't let them in if I didn't know them, it's really hard to say that when you know the people and are involved in it, but it does help deal with it if you can be objective about it.

It seems like you have to do a lot of groundwork... ensure they have assets they can account for as their own, and strong (i.e. legally strong) ties to Thailand such that they are likely to return - you have to work hard to prove intent, as well as hand over lots of readies. I keep hearing about so many rejections and the expense people have to go through, but I say to myself, why are people talking themselves into thinking that love is all that matters, and not thinking about the logistics and practicalities of their adventure? If you know that your ultimate goal is to bring a saucy exotic bird to your country, then filter out the ones who are never going to make it.

Having said that, I've seen a lot of trash in the UK that I really object to having been let in. I can genuinely empathise, but you have to be honest with yourself about the person you are with and whether you really think they are the right sort to come.
Can I step back from my connection with them and objectively say that they are the right sort of person to be let in. Most Thai women (and most immigrants) into the UK just shouldn't be here (and I'm not talking about whether they've got degrees and shit, just in terms of character).

You're a sound bloke Somtam, and I have seen what it's like to square up to officials who seem to be being told to reject applicants at every opportunity. You have my sympathies, but would she really be happy being torn away from all that's familiar?

Thanks for the considered post, Cap...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

You have my sympathies, but would she really be happy being torn away from all that's familiar?

Well, this was something we wanted to ascertain. Personally, I think not...

However, the sole motive for this move is for my children. Maybe I'll just have to stay put for a while and save up for a their education - in fact, so I didn't high-tail it to Heathrow, I purposely booked myself in for another three months of work today.

It's tough - but I have beer...

Did they give you a reason for refusal? If so and it's a load of bullshit, normal one being they don't believe she will return, if applied for a tourist visa just appeal most get overturned on appeal if genuine which yours is. I'm guessing as you lived in Thailand for years and been married for years and now you're in the UK and wife in Thailand they think they she won't be going back hence refusal. Hard to comment without more info though.

Originally Posted by somtamslap

Thanks for the considered post, Cap...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

You have my sympathies, but would she really be happy being torn away from all that's familiar?

Well, this was something we wanted to ascertain. Personally, I think not...

However, the sole motive for this move is for my children. Maybe I'll just have to stay put for a while and save up for a their education - in fact, so I didn't high-tail it to Heathrow, I purposely booked myself in for another three months of work today.

It's tough - but I have beer...

Dude just apply for a settlement visa which reading this maybe you should have done in the first place, Thais like us Brits adapt easy and plenty of them in the UK happy as pigs in shit, you have Thai/Asian supermarkets everywhere so no food issues and they make friends easy enough.

What's the time frame before someone can apply again? I've always had this theory that they often turn the first application down for no good reason, just to see if you are committed enough to come back and go through the process again.

The amount of times I've heard of first ones failing and second ones being given is quite a few.

Cheers chaps

Yes, you can apply again immediately - so, one way or another, I suppose this is what we will do...

Originally Posted by somtamslap

Thanks for the considered post, Cap...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

You have my sympathies, but would she really be happy being torn away from all that's familiar?

Well, this was something we wanted to ascertain. Personally, I think not...

However, the sole motive for this move is for my children. Maybe I'll just have to stay put for a while and save up for a their education - in fact, so I didn't high-tail it to Heathrow, I purposely booked myself in for another three months of work today.

It's tough - but I have beer...

Almost all the Thai wives I've seen in the UK have become fat, and only worked as cleaners or in restaurants - the usual. They are isolated, and unambitious, they don't adapt well at all. Only a very few genuinely adapt to being here - just as only the very few of us genuinely adapt to life over there. People who would be here anyway, spouse or not. The grass is always greener - I hate lots about life in the UK, but I'd probably hate lots about it in Thailand too (been there done that, might do it again ;p).

BTW, I do appreciate the old kids and schools thing - it's as big a deal as the finances thing, but education is all about the parents, not the schools... I've been a school guvna and I've witnessed first hand the strange admixture of socialism and businessspeak bollox they talk.

Only this week I got frantic e-mails about detention for the eldest not handing in Spanish homework - this is the first month of secondary school, and the teacher, it turns out, made an error, but the automated e-mail went out anyway, disrupting our lives (strike one for that school): brainless, headless chickens, with no judgment or sense of proportion.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that ejookayshun in the UK is better just because it's there. My eldest is only good at maths because his parents are both engineers and teach him stuff that's not on the curriculum, and show him how to build a PC, do CAD, and programme his own games - would a school do that? They won't teach him stuff for life or a job, they just shovel kids into all they know - office work and academia.
They took the piss out of me when I suggested the kids learnt how to use a soroban like it was primitive - fucking clueless bastards in British education.



Be philosophical. I know I would never have achieved the things I have in life had everything been easy and gone to plan - I only have to look at where the people I went to school with ended up, and they never got expelled as much as me

Every door slammed creates new opportunties - find them; seize them; enjoy them!

Originally Posted by somtamslap

Cheers chaps

Yes, you can apply again immediately - so, one way or another, I suppose this is what we will do...

No, don't make that mistake... analyse the reasons, and the scenario you're presenting, and fix the problems so it's watertight... don't rush back into the fray.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Almost all the Thai wives I've seen in the UK have become fat, and only worked as cleaners or in restaurants - the usual. They are isolated, and unambitious, they don't adapt well at all. Only a very few genuinely adapt to being here - just as only the very few of us genuinely adapt to life over there. People who would be here anyway, spouse or not. The grass is always greener - I hate lots about life in the UK, but I'd probably hate lots about it in Thailand too (been there done that, might do it again ;p).

You must know a different bunch of Thais in the UK to me then, my misses must have 10+ Thai mates and all but one of them are grafters due to them realising they can make some proper coin for the first time in their lives and the all but one is also the one carrying any weight but she is still half the size of the average English lass. As to being isolated I guess that depends where in the UK you live, I'm lucky in Crewe in that there is a Thai shop here which is a de facto meeting place for Thais all over the place and they all seem to go out of their way to help each other. And as to being ambitious I must admit to having to kick the misses up the arris due to her constantly moaning about her boss saying he was a lazy cnut and she could do a better job and now she's the boss and loving it earns more in a month now than she did in a year working in a Bangkok hospital.

it's aa pretty sad state when a genuine marriage with sprogs no less has to go through all this fuckwittery but a romainian beggar can just get on a ferry.....

Have you thought of speaking to your MP?

Originally Posted by Bogon

Now decided that here is home, can't be arsed to go through that polava again...

Yes, it's really left me in limbo... but as long as I'm earning I won't complain.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Have you thought of speaking to your MP?

Yes, and I have. Kunt's about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Receiving condolences from your mukkas with their added invective etc is fine but not helpful.

I assume your wife applied for a visit visa.

You have not published the refusal decision, without which no one can help you on this or any other board.

Do this, editing out names and someone with knowledge may be able to assist you.

Since the Home Office withdrew any rights of appeal by family visitors etc the refusal rate has shot through the roof in visa sections around the world. Getting advice from qualified practitioners has never been more relevant.

Upping the refusal rate is May's way of pandering to the anti immigration lobby.

Reading between what lines there are, it seems the visa officer may have concluded a visit visa was a ploy to circumvent a settlement visa for which she and you, as sponsor, might not qualify.

Despite what some say here, visa applications now are much more fraught than before. The old lags here seem to be from a different era.

If you wish you can PM me.