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    PROPERTY IN THAILAND Part 28 Mortgages, part II









    Last time we talked generally about home finance, focusing mostly on the terms of the loan and what it is legally required to include. This time we'll concentrate on mortgages.

    In Thailand, mortgages are contracts between lenders and owners of property to secure lending and are the way a bank ensures borrowers pay back loans. If a borrower doesn't pay, of course, the bank will foreclose the mortgage and the property will be sold at public auction.
    The law of mortgages contains a few points that will help you understand the way financing is offered to foreigners. A mortgage must be in writing, for example. The mortgage must also state the sum owed or a maximum amount for which the mortgaged property is assigned as security. Finally, it must designate exactly the property it covers and be registered at the proper land office. The existence of the mortgage is noted on the back of the title deed that is kept at the land office. Before you sign anything, a lawyer or other expert in mortgages should review and explain the document to you.
    Under section 705 of the Civil and Commercial Code, only the owner of a property may mortgage it. This creates practical limitations on your ability to get financing, because foreigners generally cannot own land. A foreigner may, however, buy a freehold interest in a condominium unit as long as 49% or less of the residential floor space of the condominium is owned by foreigners. So a foreigner can own and mortgage a condominium.
    As for free-standing houses, a foreigner in Thailand can own one, but not the land under it. In theory a foreigner could mortgage the house, but not the land on which it sits. For now, no bank of the several we contacted lends to foreigners to finance a house purchase. The reason for this is that if the lease on the land is not renewed the foreigner has the right and obligation to demolish the house. And if the house were the security for a loan and if it had to be destroyed at the end of the lease, this would be disaster for the bank.
    Because of Section 705, land and/or a house owned by a Thai company could be mortgaged by that company. Likewise, many foreigners in Thailand have their land and/or houses in the names of Thai friends or spouses. These friends or spouses could get financing by granting mortgages on the property.
    What if a property is already subject to a mortgage when you buy it? Much land being sold in Thailand has already been mortgaged by the developer. Section 717 of the Civil and Commercial Code specifically states that if a property is divided up into parcels, the lender can consent to having the mortgage lifted as to a particular parcel. You should have a title search on any property before you buy it. If it has a mortgage on it you should secure a release of the mortgage as a condition of purchase. Traditionally this happens at the time the ownership is transferred at the land office. If the home is in a development you should also have the title search determine if the common areas are free of mortgages.
    There is some consumer protection in connection with mortgages built into the Civil and Commercial Code. Section 728 provides that to foreclose a mortgage the lender must first give the borrower notice of default and demand that the borrower perform by a fixed date. If the borrower doesn't pay by the date specified the lender must then go to court to have the mortgaged property sold at public auction. Of course, the borrower would have to have notice of this and could raise any legal objections to the judge.
    Thought this may be of interest to some.

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    I found it educational. Thanks

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    Mortgages are very easy to get at the moment, and there are special low interest deals

    what I find amusing is that the banks do not talk to each other and there is no central database to check if you already have a mortgage

    so you can go to a bank with a set of papers showing your income and, based on those, they will grant you a mortgage

    you can then go to another bank and, with the same papers, they will grant you a mortgage

    and they do not ask you what debts you already have and if you already have a mortgage outstanding

    a recipe for disaster.......sometime
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    How about a home construction loan: do you have to pay off the loan after completion or can it be converted to a term mortgage, what is the normal term/length of a mortgage and today's interest rate

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    I am a complete novice with this but I figure this is a good place to ask... Can I as a foreigner get a loan to buy some land that would be in my sons (he's half Thai with Thai mum) name?

    I have been working in Thailand legitimately for around 6 years, all work permitted up and all above board. I had a kid and got married to my Thai wife last year and now we'd like to buy a plot of land with a house already built on it for around one and a Half million baht.

    Just called Kasikorn and spoke to some inept fool that contradicted a lot if what I have read previously so any info at all would be greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnwadrick
    Just called Kasikorn and spoke to some inept fool that contradicted a lot if what I have read previously so any info at all would be greatly appreciated
    I've been dealing with Kasikorn for years and that is pretty standard for them.... They do however list all the loan and mortgage qualifying conditions and rates on their website.

    Siam Commercial seem to be in the mood for giving money away these days however, so you might want to give them a try. Beware of anyone in any bank who says "no problem". The pretty well guarantees that there will be a problem.

    Three years ago I tried to raise a smallish loan to buy a particular house that i liked. The only reason I wanted the loan was to avoid paying a load of withholding tax on money I would have to withdraw from certain types of accounts.

    Not one bank in Thailand would give me a loan (which would only have represented about one third of the value of the property was trying to buy. I needed 1.5 mil against a 4.6 mil house...which is now a 6.5 mil house) I showed them income statements, tax returns, bank deposits and provided a copy of my passport to about half the population of Thailand....all in vain. Each and every one screwed me around for weeks with requests for more information; more paperwork...and then came back with "sorry no can do" When asked why they "no can do" the response was always....income from outside Thailand.....WTF, you knew that right from the first day, so what was all that bullshit about.

    Now, a banker who can not see fit to grant a short term loan against a piece of property in which the borrower has 70% or so equity is not exactly Goldman Sachs material.

    I solved the problem by making a phone call to Canada and having my bank there just advance me the money...which they did based on my credit history and secured income. The whole thing took about 24 hours to set up...and of course I was banging my head on the wall for not just thinking of that in the first place...instead of trying to deal with the local financial wizards.

    Now, three years later, every other bank in Thailand is sending me letters offering me loans and virtually begging for business.....when I don't need them or want to have anything to do with them, beyond the daily routine transactinal stuff.

    The whole experience has changed the meaning of retarded for me....

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    Koman, thanks for the info. You have reassured me that it is still possible and that the fool at the other end of the phone was indeed inept. I'll head into town tomorrow and speak to someone at the branches in paragon in the hope that the location will help with reasonably intelligent responses

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