Taking Thai/Australian Child OUT of thailand. Permission.

**tsicar** · 22-10-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by tsicar

if the kid has a passport: thai or otherwise, then nobody has the right to stop you leaving the country unless other legal shit is involved. (and even then, if you are lucky)

entry into the destination country couild be a problem unless the kid has a visa or is legally a citizen of the destination country.
the child needs the mother's permission to get the passoport, NOT to leave the country.

Just because you haven't been asked for it or you write NOT in caps doesn't mean you don't need it. Both Australia and Thailand are signatories to the hague convention which mandates special controls on single adults traveling with children. Permission of the absent parent is required. (If you wish to have an uneventful trip)

both parents need to give permission for the issuing of a passport.

after that there is nothing more required.

...and if they DO ask where the mother is, as they did in my case, i simply told them that she had left on a previous flight and i was taking the kids to reunite with her at our destination.

anyway, i doubt the op will have any problems at all as it doesn't seem there are any "suspicious" circumstances.

**kingwilly** · 23-10-2012, 04:56 AM

You're wrong tsicar, you do need permission to travel with a child, it's just that you may not be asked. (Permission could be as simple as a handwritten letter stating you have permission from the mother).

Also, you cannot leave the country with a) a thai passport or some immigration stamps in the other passport. Immigration will not let you leave, and they can and will stop you, on a 'clean passport'.

**9999** · 23-10-2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by tsicar

my kids entered thailand on thai passports from south africa and left thailand on south african passports i fraudulently obtained for them in bangkok at the south african embassy

This is the guy you should listen to. Sounds like he knows his shit.

**9999** · 23-10-2012, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Also, you cannot leave the country with a) a thai passport or some immigration stamps in the other passport. Immigration will not let you leave, and they can and will stop you, on a 'clean passport'.

This is the point I was getting at, the reason you initially should leave on a Thai passport. TTBOMK Thai immigration will pull you aside if you try to leave with a blank Aussie passport. I was asked to produce my old full passport that was cut and given back to me when I exited Thailand with the fresh Aussie passport.

Not sure the deal in the case of a lost or stolen passport but pretty sure nobody can just rock up with a blank Aussie passport, no previous stamps of how they entered the country, etc (what if they are on 5 years overstay?)

The information for me regarding leaving Thailand came from the Australian embassy. They told me I HAD to carry my old cut passport at all times until I exited Thailand again.

Even coming back in from KL with the one exit stamp, Thai immigration still asked for the old passport.

**kingwilly** · 23-10-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by 9999

Not sure the deal in the case of a lost or stolen passport but pretty sure nobody can just rock up with a blank Aussie passport, no previous stamps of how they entered the country, etc (what if they are on 5 years overstay?)

I tried it once, could not leave, not even with a 20K bribe.

**9999** · 23-10-2012, 08:35 AM

^ So what, you need a letter from the embassy or something if you lose you passport over here (in Thailand)?

**Necron99** · 23-10-2012, 08:43 AM

^ Yes, you can leave with a blank, but you would need some supporting documentation to explain the blank.
Being a 1 yr old child of dual citizenship may be enough of an explanation, but I think he is being shortsighted in not getting the kid a thai one.

**aging one** · 23-10-2012, 08:44 AM

No mate, when you lose your passport your own embassy will get you a new one, then you go to Thai immigration to get your visa stamp put back in. Thats what happened to me anyway ages ago.

**9999** · 23-10-2012, 08:46 AM

So the OP should not attempt to leave Thailand with just a blank Aussie passport for his child right? He either needs two passports, or a Thai passport and an Aussie visa for the kid.

**tsicar** · 24-10-2012, 10:49 PM

i got away with absolute murder in thailand
...and got my boys out using loopholes, bullshit and a good deal of luck

doesn't mean the next guy will, too!

best bet is to check with immigration and just follow their silly rules.
i doubt there would be a plomplem leaving thailand, and what i can glean from the op's post, there doesn't seem to be a plomplem getting the mother's permission, so best to play it safe, follow the rules and forgo the stress, or you will be crapping yourself until that plane takes off and it is too late for them to turn back., as i had to.
unfortunately i did not own a pair of brown trousers at the time, so some people may have noticad what i was going through!

**Phuketrichard** · 25-10-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by 9999

^^ Same happened with me I was waiting in the car while the Mrs was in getting passport and she had to call me to come in and sign something. Makes no sense, what if Daddy is not around, the kid can;t get a (Thai) passport?

UP until the child is 15 u need both parents there OR a paper from the parent not present.

My advice GET both passports. Than he can own land but we aware he will also have to stand for possible army duty)

Thai is easy; YOu said he is already on a tham bien baan ( house paper) go to the passport office, both of you and apply wiht his birth certificate, 7 days later u have his passport.
than get his Oz passport,
go to airport ( you do not need his mom or permission from her) and leave with the thai passport ( u will need show oz passport as they will ask otherwise for visa) and ur good to go.

I was traveling with my thai daughter ( thai and us passport) alone since she was 3, WE did not get married till my daughter was 7 and than divorced when she was 9

Get him BOTH; MY close friend is going thru shit to get his half Thai/half Oz son his Thai passport.
When he was born ( in Pattaya) they ONLY got his Australian passport. The moved down to oz ( no problems leaving with only the Oz passport) and remained for 15 years. Now they want to come back and stay. Meanwhile mom has left an they cant find her so they cant get her required signature to get him is thai id or passport. He has been dealing with immigration and such in Bangkok and Phuket and finally got it under the table done for 10,000 baht.

So my advice GET both passports NOW while ur on speaking terms with ur gf . You never know what will happen in the future.!!!

**kingwilly** · 25-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Phuketrichard

go to airport ( you do not need his mom or permission from her) and leave with the thai passport

This is incorrect information.

What you mean is that you did not need it, and in all likelihood neither will he, but if he is asked for it, he may not be allowed to fly. Which could be a bit of a drama at the airport.

Originally Posted by Phuketrichard

I was traveling with my thai daughter ( thai and us passport) alone since she was 3

**Phuketrichard** · 25-10-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by Phuketrichard

go to airport ( you do not need his mom or permission from her) and leave with the thai passport

This is incorrect information.

What you mean is that you did not need it, and in all likelihood neither will he, but if he is asked for it, he may not be allowed to fly. Which could be a bit of a drama at the airport.

Originally Posted by Phuketrichard

I was traveling with my thai daughter ( thai and us passport) alone since she was 3

MMm who knows;

Curious
has ANYONE that travels alone with their kids ever been asked for any letter?

**Akiii** · 31-10-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Also, you cannot leave the country with a) a thai passport or some immigration stamps in the other passport. Immigration will not let you leave, and they can and will stop you, on a 'clean passport'.

This is the point I was getting at, the reason you initially should leave on a Thai passport. TTBOMK Thai immigration will pull you aside if you try to leave with a blank Aussie passport. I was asked to produce my old full passport that was cut and given back to me when I exited Thailand with the fresh Aussie passport.

Not sure the deal in the case of a lost or stolen passport but pretty sure nobody can just rock up with a blank Aussie passport, no previous stamps of how they entered the country, etc (what if they are on 5 years overstay?)

The information for me regarding leaving Thailand came from the Australian embassy. They told me I HAD to carry my old cut passport at all times until I exited Thailand again.

Even coming back in from KL with the one exit stamp, Thai immigration still asked for the old passport.

yeh but, its pretty simple that he was born in THAI so he will not have any stamps in his passport- have contacted immigration at the airport here in chiang mai, said that i did not need a thai passport and needed his birth certificate, AU passport, AND his mums id card, and his mum should come too incase they want a verbal confirmation that he can leave.

they dont seem to really care that a thai citizen is a dual national either. but. i cant get him a thai passport untill next year in july when his mum turns 20- they wont let her sign the forms for her own sons thai passport, they requested that her mum (my sons grandmother) come to sign the forms but she cant because she is IN JAIL for drug offences. YES and they wont allow her to sign any forms in the jail either... what a headache.

**9999** · 31-10-2012, 12:33 PM

Mate I would double check your info you got from immigration re. leaving unstamped without a Thai passport. If you're kid arrives in Australia with just one exit stamp from Thailand on their first passport, they will be asking questions on that end as well.

**Akiii** · 31-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

Mate I would double check your info you got from immigration re. leaving unstamped without a Thai passport. If you're kid arrives in Australia with just one exit stamp from Thailand on their first passport, they will be asking questions on that end as well.

um yeh of course they can ask questions but i doubt they will because his birth certificate shows he was born in THAILAND and he became a citiizen of descent whilst in thailand and recieved an australian passport while in thailand- all of this paperwork was done through DFAT so his records will show that and there is nothing suspiscious about that.

and it is the same in thai- his records (birth certificate) show he was born in thailand to a thai mother and farang father. the police captian at chiang mai airport immigration told he does not need a thai passport if he is not coming back and if he does he can enter with his birht certificate and a copy of his house registration...

**Akiii** · 31-10-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

Mate I would double check your info you got from immigration re. leaving unstamped without a Thai passport. If you're kid arrives in Australia with just one exit stamp from Thailand on their first passport, they will be asking questions on that end as well.

and on the other side of it he does not need a thai passport, can enter on an aussie get a thirty day stamp or travel on the same visa as me, and if there was an overstay there is no penalty for people underage (under 15 i think,,,...)

**9999** · 31-10-2012, 01:19 PM

All the best with it mate and interested to to hear how it all goes.

**Umbuku** · 31-10-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

Mate I would double check your info you got from immigration re. leaving unstamped without a Thai passport. If you're kid arrives in Australia with just one exit stamp from Thailand on their first passport, they will be asking questions on that end as well.

No questions were asked in my case. Exited Thailand on Thai passport, showed Aussie passport. Entered Australia on Aussie passport, not asked to show any other documents. My wife was traveling with us so there was no issues there about permission to leave.

As with many things in Thailand it may come down to the officer you happen to get on that day. Best to be prepared for all contingencies.

**9999** · 31-10-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Umbuku

No questions were asked in my case. Exited Thailand on Thai passport, showed Aussie passport.

No shit sherlock, read the thread.

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