Thread: Turn your PC into something about as flexible as a manual typewriter

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

My experiences are different, as last year I ditched it off 2,500+ PCs because it had got so completely bloated that in order to be effective, the load it puts on the PC makes it's almost unusable.

As an example of just one review these people don't even put it in the top ten any more, and I don't blame them.

AntiVirus Software Review 2010 - TopTenREVIEWS

McAfee need to tear it down and build from scratch. All they've done is bolted on more and more add-ons and turned a decent product into a pile of poo.

If what you meant was that you put an anti-virus software on 2,500 computers---Any tech worth his salt knows that you don't install anti virus software in 2,500 computers. It's ridiculous.

You don't install anti-virus software when you deal with that many computers. There is absolutely no need.

Originally Posted by chupacabra

Any tech worth his salt

you are not doing yourself any favours here

this thread is about laptops - and all corporate laptops I have been issued have had antivirus of some type installed onn them .

your experience in large IT networks may not be similar to the experience of others.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by chupacabra

Any tech worth his salt

you are not doing yourself any favours here

this thread is about laptops - and all corporate laptops I have been issued have had antivirus of some type installed onn them .

your experience in large IT networks may not be similar to the experience of others.

I'll bet you 1,000 baht that his experience in corporate networks is : zero.

What dumb and untenable claim has he made now?

all AV software have tendency to fail, and since no OS can be completely secure, it would be extremely naive to assume that simple security skills could "shield" users from anything, above all when they are running applications that might need a "compromise" in security.

this is why most corporate computers, including laptops, have AV software on the desktop, and the servers.

not sure what you are trying to prove with that "software" package,

Originally Posted by chupacabra

This is the only way to prevent anything from happening to the software 100% bullet proof. Corporations and big libraries do that all the time.

I think you are confusing kiosk computers and corporate computers,

you seem to be describing a kiosk, but that is not usable in an active corporate environment.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

not sure what you are trying to prove with that "software" package,

lack of real world experience perhaps ?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Anti-Virus software?

Oh, right, PCs need that.

How drol.

Yes because Apple stuff is *so* secure....

Apple's Safari 4.1, 5.0 Fix 47 Vulnerabilities | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

*Yawn*

Originally Posted by chupacabra

That was not AV software.

so it's a kiosk software package ?

Originally Posted by chupacabra

I wouldn't give you the rights to install anything. I would load all the software you need. If you need something else, I can load it for you. Although, I don't know what else you would need. If it is a corporate laptop for WORK, then I, IT, will load it with everything you need.

that sounds like the Old Tivoli thing and MS server side delivery system, both not providing any kind of overall security, just control of the desktop for maintenance and interventions. Has there be enough advancement in that field to make it completely secure ? I doubt it, sounds like a sales pitch to me. Some business software by their nature will force a "compromised" security or else they won't run.

Maybe the box is empty !

Originally Posted by chupacabra

Actually, YOU as an end user, if you want to make your computer 100% bullet proof, you can use this as well (although deep freeze is not the only one out there). Just get the Standard Edition.

Whatever happens to your computer, restart. Done.

I doubt it can be 100% safe, and having a reset of the registry is hardly a recipe to make it more secure. What happens if the virus delete your user partition with all recent data on it ? you might save the OS by doing a full reset, but again that's not security, that's installation management or maintenance management.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I doubt it can be 100% safe, and having a reset of the registry is hardly a recipe to make it more secure. What happens if the virus delete your user partition with all recent data on it ? you might save the OS by doing a full reset, but again that's not security, that's installation management or maintenance management.

Everything you posted is absolute nonsense. It is obvious you don't know what the software does, how it works and that you have never used it. WHy don't you just educate yourself before you post stuff about "resetting the registry". It just sounds really stupid.

As for your mystery virus that deletes your partition. When have you ever had one of those? I am just curious. Even if you do get one, IT can un-delete a partition. Furthermore, you shouldn't be saving anything to your computer that you don't want to lose. The entire C: should be frozen (with no other partitions) and you should save your stuff to an external drive.

And yes, I can tell you from experience that once you Freeze a drive, nothing is going to happen to it.

Bought a mid range HP notebook about a year ago. Very happy with it. Not a single HW or SW problem so far.

Straying off topic, I have ESAT, Nod32 Anti virus. Not one virus to date.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Anti-Virus software?

Oh, right, PCs need that.

How drol.

Yes because Apple stuff is *so* secure....

Apple's Safari 4.1, 5.0 Fix 47 Vulnerabilities | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

*Yawn*

Please list the instances where these 'vulnerabilities' have actually resulted in exploits, and in compromises to users' desktops?

I mean, you know so much, so I am certain that you have lists of those compromises to wave in my face, right?

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Butterfly

not sure what you are trying to prove with that "software" package,

lack of real world experience perhaps ?

I'd say "ouch!", if this was a sympathetic commenter, but all chupacabra is demonstrating, as he has so many times in the past, and on other fora, that he 100% lacks real world tech backgrounds or experience.

Heck, I feel confident in increasing my bet that he has zero Enterprise / Corporate background, to 5,000 Baht. I mean, c'mon chupie, here's a quick way for you to Own me and pay two months rent on your room, all at the same time.

Originally Posted by 12Call

Maybe the box is empty !

Like his head?

Seriously, what a funny troll.

^

Thanks. I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a minute.

Hey, I have an AV. I have AVIRA. I am very happy with it. Can't believe it's free. But in the corporate world? Come on. you need to have 100% control. If your IT department gave you a laptop to use and they just installed stuff and gave it to you, then you have a shit IT.

They should set it up with everything you need. Set it and forget it. This way when you give it back to them it is exactly the way they gave it to you 1 or 2 years or however long you had it. No changes. Nothing.

Put a link on their desktop for the file server. They can access from home and save all their stuff there.

Originally Posted by chupacabra

It is obvious you don't know what the software does, how it works and that you have never used it. WHy don't you just educate yourself before you post stuff about "resetting the registry".

never claimed I knew specifically that software package, but from what you described "superficially" it seems to be some kind of software kiosk or SMS for remote installation and desktop control. I will take a look on the company website, but so far you sound as bad as Quack Quack trying to push his usual marketing BS, so I doubt your claims are entirely true. Some stupid corporation might think they are safe with that software but might not in reality.

Originally Posted by Norton

Bought a mid range HP notebook about a year ago.

good choice,

Originally Posted by Norton

Straying off topic, I have ESAT, Nod32 Anti virus. Not one virus to date.

another good choice,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by chupacabra

It is obvious you don't know what the software does, how it works and that you have never used it. WHy don't you just educate yourself before you post stuff about "resetting the registry".

never claimed I knew specifically that software package, but from what you described "superficially" it seems to be some kind of software kiosk or SMS for remote installation and desktop control. I will take a look on the company website, but so far you sound as bad as Quack Quack trying to push his usual marketing BS, so I doubt your claims are entirely true. Some stupid corporation might think they are safe with that software but might not in reality.

there is a freeware alternative
Returnil - The Real Security for your home or business - Download RVS now to protect your PC.

^^

I guess you have to experience it yourself. It is pretty amazing software. Developed specifically because IT is sick of hours of having to fix stupid shit.

You have complete access to your computer. Nothing changes for you, the user. However, when you restart, it goes back to square 1. And trust me when I say, you can't kill a computer once it's frozen. You can abuse the software all you want. As I said, you can go in and delete everything on the C: drive. Doesn't matter. Restart, you are back to day 1.

For corporate use, that's what you need. The user doesn't need more than that. When you go to work, you use the computer. It has what you need. You may work with office. Certainly the internet. Maybe some database or other program that the company developed. Whatever.

Set it, freeze it, forget it. Give it to them. They will have 0 problems, unless of course there is a hardware problem.

And as I said, Deep Freeze is not the only one. This is just one of the most well known and the one I have experience with. But, they all basically do the same thing it's what I am saying.

Originally Posted by chupacabra

you need to have 100% control

again you seem to be confusing security with control. Do you understand what OS security means ? having full control of a desktop doesn't mean full security, above all when you are dealing with Windows,

Originally Posted by chupacabra

They should set it up with everything you need. Set it and forget it. This way when you give it back to them it is exactly the way they gave it to you 1 or 2 years or however long you had it. No changes. Nothing.

sounds like your typical IT annal Fascism non-sense, you shouldn't be controlling everything that a user does, to some extend you need to, but not in a complete totalitarian way.

Originally Posted by chupacabra

Developed specifically because IT is sick of hours of having to fix stupid shit.

then what would they do all day ? surf porn ?

IT jobs is about to fix stupid shit, if it wasn't, we wouldn't need them

Originally Posted by chupacabra

You have complete access to your computer. Nothing changes for you, the user. However, when you restart, it goes back to square 1. And trust me when I say, you can't kill a computer once it's frozen. You can abuse the software all you want. As I said, you can go in and delete everything on the C: drive. Doesn't matter. Restart, you are back to day 1.

that sounds like a partition image management system, so it's not really about security as I suspected, but about a "reset", which is completely different. Here you don't reset the registry but the whole fucking partition. How stupid is that ? doesn't VMWARE have a function like that already for their Virtual Client box ? it's an "undo" of all files operation on a partition. That's not OS security, and if you can't see that, then you are desperate.

Originally Posted by chupacabra

For corporate use, that's what you need. The user doesn't need more than that. When you go to work, you use the computer. It has what you need. You may work with office. Certainly the internet. Maybe some database or other program that the company developed. Whatever.

again, this is fine for a kiosk or corporate "appliance", but not a dynamic and active "corporate" desktop.

^

You are the one that doesn't understand. I set up our computer that we will let you use (not your computer. Doesn't belong to you), once I freeze it, OS, Browser, whatever security doesn't matter at all. Riddle it with viruses. Who cares? It's frozen!

You really need to spend sometime educating yourself as to what I am talking about. You yourself say you don't know and you keep arguing about it.

Again, I am not controlling what you do. You can do everything you want. I am just taking your stupidity and the "OS security" shortcomings out of the equation.

And again, what do you mean by "dynamic" and "active"? What exactly do you plan to do with the corporation's computer?

Originally Posted by mc2

there is a freeware alternative
Returnil - The Real Security for your home or business - Download RVS now to protect your PC.

that's what I thought, it's a "virtual" system for computer appliances or kiosks, basically a big "reset" system. It's the coward and cheap way for an IT department to solve desktop problems because their staff are too lazy or incompetent to take care of things properly, that is doing proper desktop integration and consistent deployment policies. Works fine for a school I guess that has limited IT staff or when the IT department is run by clueless monkeys, but it's hardly a good solution or even a credible solution for users doing real work. Might as well buy a mac if I wanted to have some kind of "useless appliance"

So

Originally Posted by chupacabra

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

My experiences are different, as last year I ditched it off 2,500+ PCs because it had got so completely bloated that in order to be effective, the load it puts on the PC makes it's almost unusable.

As an example of just one review these people don't even put it in the top ten any more, and I don't blame them.

AntiVirus Software Review 2010 - TopTenREVIEWS

McAfee need to tear it down and build from scratch. All they've done is bolted on more and more add-ons and turned a decent product into a pile of poo.

If what you meant was that you put an anti-virus software on 2,500 computers---Any tech worth his salt knows that you don't install anti virus software in 2,500 computers. It's ridiculous.

You don't install anti-virus software when you deal with that many computers. There is absolutely no need.

Sorry.... do go on, I'm all ears!