NickA's first linux thingummy

**mrsquirrel** · 01-06-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

The more obscure, recent additions to the mix may be fine; but for CMn I want a stable, easy system with all the backup I can get for free.

ha, stable, CMN all in one sentence.

You must be having a laugh.

**ChiangMai noon** · 01-06-2007, 12:45 PM

^
cock.

**lom** · 01-06-2007, 01:14 PM

I suggest opening a Linux support section in the software forum, will keep Frankie busy..

And CMN wont have time to write in his century threads, look at NickA - he's back now with frequent posts after 6 month of nearly total absence.

Frankie, why can't I get leather seats in my favourite make of car?
And why is the engine not compatible with the transmission?
Yeah I know, you can always get them to fit if you're good at metal cutting and welding..

Why don't you run uTorrent Frankie?

**mrsquirrel** · 01-06-2007, 01:26 PM

uTorrent has released Utorrent for Wine and a web based utorrent that you can control from over the internet which is pretty funky.

**lom** · 01-06-2007, 01:32 PM

^ ok, but Wine doesn't run on all distros, right?
That is the Linux problem in a nutshell, you can't run the combination of B+C under D, only under A.
There is need for a bastard dictator (Bill Gates comes to mind) just to set a standard.
Really doesn't matter much if the standard is a beautiful one or not as long as it is a standard.

**mrsquirrel** · 01-06-2007, 01:36 PM

Dunno

Does SuSE run Wine or not?

**friscofrankie** · 01-06-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Why don't you run uTorrent Frankie?

why would I want to? you pcik the one brand of torent that is too lazy to make their code cross platform use-able? Too many choices to support short-sighted developers.
Why don;t you use any free GNU software? is ti because you're afraid to compile somethng for windows? it's really OK much of whats out there is available in windows binary format. There may even be a OS compiler for windows \, but you could always buy one...
you are obviously a Microsoft stock-holder and I can no longer take anything you say seriously...

BTW I use windoze at least twice a week. there are some applets I like it for but mostly it's to get things workign in the non-standard MS app called IE.

Originally Posted by lom

look at NickA - he's back now with frequent posts after 6 month of nearly total absence.

NickA is learning how to use a computer even write his own GUI not bad for six months I think he had other reasons for not posting as frequently.

Originally Posted by lom

Frankie, why can't I get leather seats in my favourite make of car? And why is the engine not compatible with the transmission? Yeah I know, you can always get them to fit if you're good at metal cutting and welding..

Now, see this where you fucked up. You buy a buncha proprietary parts that fit nothing but the one makers cars. Then you wonder why the rest of the world can go down to the parts store pick a generic part and it Fits? You blame those that follow the standards?

I buy a bolt, it's DIN, SAE or ASTM; standardized world-wide. You buy a fuckin MSO piece of shit and nothing fits! you blame those that follow world-wide standardss? With that kind of logic, you gotta be a microsoft weenie.

Of course, we should all bend to the will of the Microsoft Standards Organization right?

Your logic is flawed. Microsoft products are designed with one purpose in mind TO KEEP YOU(and the rest of the world) BUYING MS PRODUCTS. Their release schedules are a joke their software is bloated, ineffeceint and requires JUST AS MUCH knowledge to setup correctly.

It is however, easier to set up incorrectly and have it run, for a while.

Then there's the troubleshooting of windows when it fucks up and believe me, it fucks up ALOT. I supported windows networks for years. The time required to track down library (DLLs, don't act like fuckin MS ain;t got library issues when installing software). Registry problems (Who ever imagined that would get do fuckin out of control??? One source for all your apps, system, security and countless other little configs?) you might just be able to fix one little problem in slightly less time than it takes to rebuild the whole fuckin system. I gave all my techs customized install disks. I set a rule if you can;t fix the fucking thin in 30 minutes, don't fuckin call me. Re-install.

Then who hasn't noticed the major improvement in their system afer just a regular (routine??) re-install? My system has been up for almost 18 months. I have never been down. I did upgrade the kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.19.1 this is really not necessary, but I was looking for speed didn;t get it went back to my original config in a matter of minutes.

I develop on my machine I have compiled and tweaked various versions of PHP, Apache, MySQL, gcc, Maya (The W3c's own browser) tweaked and modified all sorts of shit. But as a developer this is what I am supposed to be doing. I installed a new DVD burner took me a few minutes but I was burning DVDs right away. THEN I started fuckin with it, because that is my wont. AND I could. Not because I had to

There is very little under the sun that cannot be ntegrated into linux, even where the hardware manufacturer does not offer any support, drivers or even acknowledge the is another OS than WinDOZE.

We really won;t go into the security issues, let be said that any systems that offers file & printer sharing in a transparent and user-friendly manner is leaving itself open to huge security holes. nature of the beast. BUT MS just puts all that shit in there and lets you fuckin worry about it even though you rarely really need it. but script kiddies have a field day with Windoze, don't they?

My desktop: I am running The Gimp, with a full -sized 2592 x 1944px pic in it this browser, email my text editor, Azureus (POS overly bloated java torrent but it doens;t affect the system at all), three file browsers (knoquerer) Two javascript debuggers, Skype, adobe with a full copy of the Javascript bible loaded, and my my editor. Oh let us not foget my SQl server with 16 DBs and Apache server with 17 virtual hosts.

I can highlight, click the middle button and it's pasted where ever I want it to be it pastes so fast I have to re-read to be sure it actually happened. I am on a low-end AMD processor and an old Asus mother board. I would really like to get a new high-speed, dual core, whiz-bang processor with the nvidia chipset, six SATA ports, set up a real nice raid 5, 1.2 terabyte array man. But really can't justify it. I can bring up my cinelerra video editor and my 3-D modeler still not notice all the shit I got loaded.
Here is my memory usage:

Tasks: 104 total, 2 running, 102 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 3.0% user, 1.6% system, 0.0% nice, 95.4% idle
Mem: 774828k total, 764740k used, 10088k free, 123400k buffers
Swap: 489940k total, 6036k used, 483904k free, 118168k cached

Now you'll notice things like all of my RAM is almost used up. Not really, it's reserved for the applications and this map is reallocated as new ones are loaded. Look at my swap file; 60k. I move between apps with lightening speed, never have to wait. they are already loaded. I never even see an hourglass (for me, a wrist watch) Loading applications takes no longer than disk seek and retrieval. The memory is there waiting. I never hear my disk grinding (well it does grind a bit when I run the locator db-update, but then I have a searchable db of everything on my hard-drive)

Fucking windows will swap every thing that's not being used out; switch between apps click an icon, go get a cup of coffee. Oh, yeah there are settings to improve this and they even have light weight interface for setting memory usage let's see, two radio buttons right? background processes or programs? There are even ways to tune it even further. But as many tutorials as you may post here on this board, as many shareware utilities to "clean up" re-adjust or tweak the system, there is no fuckin way I am going to trust the typical end-user to make it all right. What is it with all them utils you need to "get it right" anyway? Fucking no work weenies love MS keeps them busy making up shit to fix al the problems folks buy into when they pay for their "authentic" copy of XP, Vista or whatever. And don;t just love they way MS builds a system tthey can get into a check? thank god for the skript kiddies building all them hacks and work-arounds, eh?

Once Linux is setup you can just forget it.

And that's really the crux of the matter, to tune a system properly requires knowledge & experience, something the typical user does not have. Computer systems are complex combinations of parts and instructions and as such require skill to manipulate. making it simple? Not really easy even if you've got embedded systems (even then Windoze faile miserably) for a system that is dynamic with changing data and applications? You get your system set up by someone that knows what they're doing. You run routine maintenance and leave it the hell alone! Even then, with Windoze you will eventually see a degradation of performance. Go ahead, Reinstall, You know you wanna.

Used to be the Mac OS was a "sit down, shut up and watch the movie" kind of OS they now use variants of the GNU OS (with all the utils) to run their systems. Microsoft has done much to get more and more half-trained weenies out there working while stepping in a backward direction.
Hacks, most of 'em. Some are good. I can remember when a trained professional was a man to be respected. MS put so many MCSEs out there in a few short years they were recruiting burger flippers to do the job. Good for the unemployment rolls I guess. Gimme a blue polo shirt with the fancy logo, and I'll work for peanuts.

**friscofrankie** · 01-06-2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by lom

^ ok, but Wine doesn't run on all distros, right? That is the Linux problem in a nutshell, you can't run the combination of B+C under D, only under A. There is need for a bastard dictator (Bill Gates comes to mind) just to set a standard. Really doesn't matter much if the standard is a beautiful one or not as long as it is a standard.

it's not a standard it's fuckin closed system. actually Linux is standards compliant, windows is not a standard it is closed system designed to make you buy more microsoft products. This is one reason the web applications are becoming popular. exchange of data Microsoft discourages this it bites into their profit.

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

Does SuSE run Wine or not?

wine runs on Linux but why? you want windows keep windows. so we've found one BRAND of software that is not built with cross platform compatibility in mind? hell there are many. What I'm wondering can I get Safari to run on linux? I can get IE for Sun but it's a binary, hard to find and you must pay for it. I could get that I'd delete windows from my system, fuckin microsoft.

**NickA** · 01-06-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

command line only

Command line is OK for most things, but I'd like a GUI for creating DVD menus....I haven't found a really good one on linux yet, there's some apps that do the job, but not as well as I'd like. I use ManDVD at the moment just because it seems to be the most stable.

**friscofrankie** · 01-06-2007, 04:30 PM

have you tried DVDStyler?
DVDStyler - Home
or this one?
'Q' DVD-Author
I burn Xvids or divX direct to a DVD watch in my divX player. I am really not a into making complete DVDs with titles, sub-titles or menus. Plug it in, select a movie watch. This may be another (even more realistic) reason I have not finished the suite. I really have no need for it.
The one I did select and use seemed pretty stable and feature rich, But I really can't be bothered to learn the ins and outs of DVD authoring (a subject I imagine I'd have to learn no matter what my OS)

**slimboyfat** · 07-06-2007, 02:12 PM

so this OpenSUSE thingy. how do I know which I should download?

there is an option for X86 or x86_64

????

Thanks.

ok nevermind. i know now. x86 is the way i should be going

**friscofrankie** · 07-06-2007, 02:17 PM

if you have a 64 bit processor get the x86_64
If not get the x86
Unless you have a different processor altogether.
If you have an AMD 64 processor, many distros package a different release from the intel 64 bit. Some package them together.

**slimboyfat** · 07-06-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

if you have a 64 bit processor get the x86_64
If not get the x86
Unless you have a different processor altogether.
If you have an AMD 64 processor, many distros package a different release from the intel 64 bit. Some package them together.

thanks. i have decided to try Linux as I have lost the restore CD for my laptop and a new one costs $100. might as well take this opportunity rather than using a pirated windows XP

**NickA** · 07-06-2007, 02:26 PM

Warning - don't be put off by the struggle you have at the start, in the end things are easier and better over here, just takes a bit of effort - and sometimes a change of hardware

**friscofrankie** · 07-06-2007, 02:28 PM

Very few people can pick up a computer without some sort of learning curve. Linux is no different. But like Nick said. Things are better over here in the land of the free.

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-06-2007, 02:29 PM

Frankie.
My open suse thing is ready.
what do i do next?

**NickA** · 07-06-2007, 02:33 PM

This is the video I followed

Ubuntu Linux / Windows Dual Boot Instructional Video - Google Video

It worked perfectly for me.

You also need to decide how to split your hard disk(s) up - hown much for windows, how much for linux and how much for storage. Remember - windows cannot see the linux part of the disk, but linux can see the windows part (and write on it depending on the format).

Then wait for Frankie!

**friscofrankie** · 07-06-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Frankie. My open suse thing is ready. what do i do next?

Well since you needed me to come over and start the fuckng torrent for you I'm afraid to get you started on anything else.

But.

Originally Posted by NickA

Ubuntu Linux / Windows Dual Boot Instructional Video - Google Video

go ahead and watch the video (I haven't) it might help you understand what we will be facing.
You could burn the dvd from the 3.16 GB image we downloaded.
Then.

Originally Posted by NickA

wait for Frankie!

Maybe I can come over tomorrow evening or the next. As I described the process, we'll move a lot of data around, get a partition cleared and deleted then build our linux install on that. It really depends on how you've got your drive partitioned now.
We'll make a list of installed hardware, maybe download some linux drivers as back up, or at least, see if you have the CDs that came with the hardware & if they have linux drivers.
You can do this now, if you like; but I will do it again with you in any case.

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-06-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

You can do this now, if you like; but I will do it again with you in any case

oh ye of little faith.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Well since you needed me to come over and start the fuckng torrent for you I'm afraid to get you started on anything else.

I only didn't bother because I thought it would be a couple megabytes.
didn't know it would be huge.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Maybe I can come over tomorrow evening or the next.

whenever you are free.
I'm never out after 7.00pm.

**friscofrankie** · 07-06-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

oh ye of little faith.

Basically, yeah.
Just the engineer coming out. Don't take it personal I always double check work by others, sometimes I even check my own!

**Wallalai** · 07-06-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by NickA

Remember - windows cannot see the linux part of the disk, but linux can see the windows part (and write on it depending on the format).

I disagree, http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs-old.htm utility allow you to see the content of your Linux ext/ext3 partitions from Windows (not reiserfs/reiserfs4, xfs). It's also possible to have full write/read acces to Windows partitions by configuring your /etc/fstab file with the correct options or with this CD: Main Page - SystemRescueCd.
I've just made an image of my ntfs WindowsXP partition with the partimage utility included and no error, I have a splendid WinXP.partimg.gz.000 image on my fat32 data partition. I should be able to restore it according to the documentation.

**friscofrankie** · 07-06-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Wallalai

disagree, chrysocome.net allow you to see the content of your Linux ext/ext3 partitions from Windows (not reiserfs/reiserfs4, xfs).

CMn is getting ReiserFS.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

It's also possible to have full write/read acces to Windows partitions by configuring your /etc/fstab

I would prefer only Root has write access across OS partitions. This is how I set things up, All users can access with read rights.

I would also prefer that only administrator has access to cross-OS partition writes from Win. Thing is about 80% of the users out there are logging in with admin access. (almost impossible to do anything without it)

When pushing websites up to windows for IE testing (ask any web developer how he views MS products BTW) I su to root push up my site and DB. Then reboot into windows. Giving all users write access to cross-OS disk writes is an accident waiting to happen IMO. By forcing a user to switch to superuser mode before performing these writes you are making them aware of what they are doing.
Typical users have trouble using a second data partition in most cases. No matter how carefully you set them up and build the structure, their "My Documents" folder fills up, clogs up the systems partition, etc. They are just not careful about where to save files. You set the apps up to use D:\data, D:\user, etc then an automatic update happens, resets everything to the shit default, they haven't a clue.

I see few reasons to have cross-OS share of partitions. When first starting to use linux you may want to bring down files you have stored on windows. There is very little reason to go into windows once you are up and running with Linux.

I looked at the site you put up they have also decided to remove win -> linux write access good. But in their beta of the reiser compatible version they are incorporating it.
I liked this statement:

Enforce security permissions. Any attempt to do this is flawed. Under Win9x, any user can run an unrestricted version to gain access. Under NT you need administrator privileges so it does not make sense to require extra authentication. *Explore2fs was built as a tool, not an application.

*read: "not for general non-technical use"
Giving windows write access to a linux partition?
WHY???

Unless a user is computer savvy and diligent you need to set the system up to protect them from themselves not give them tools to shoot themselves in the foot. Too many techno-geeks think, "It's easy, here, let me give you this..."

If the user is savvy, interested or curious they will find these things on their own. Don't assume because it is something you can do that anyone can do it.

On my system I have a large shared.data folder under /var. I also setup a large /usr/local partition; lotsa stuff in there too

These are my general storage area and sandbox areas. With CMn's situation, I will set up the largest partition for /home he will be able to setup software/utilities/whatever, as well as download all his porn there if he likes without affecting the general system. When in linux he will be able to copy things down or open them, edit them save them on his linux part. When in wndoze, linux will not exist.

**mrsquirrel** · 07-06-2007, 07:00 PM

Unless you have just purchased a windows only laser printer then it can be expensive.

I can't get SuSE to install on my USB disk.

Going to run it on there for a bit until I have got things under control

**NickA** · 07-06-2007, 07:04 PM

^^I fear you 2 are being a bit complex for my friend CMN

(and me)

**friscofrankie** · 08-06-2007, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by NickA

^^I fear you 2 are being a bit complex for my friend CMN (and me)

My point.

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