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    Revenue from Phuket real estate deals plummets

    Revenue from Phuket real estate deals plummets

    PHUKET CITY: In an indication that the Phuket real estate market is not quite as robust as some like to suggest, statistics released by the Phuket Provincial Land Office reveal that income on land and property sales transactions was down over 70% year-on-year over the first four months of 2009.

    There were a total of 1,945 transactions involving land title deeds for the period from January to April.

    The total value of land transactions for the period was Bt883.24 billion baht, with the vast majority (Bt881.52bn) for land with pre-existing structures.

    Income from transactions from January to April 2008 totaled Bt333.5 million baht.

    Income for the same period this year was just Bt97.8m, down almost 71%.

    The largest reduction was in business tax collection, which is normally paid for by the seller at a cost of 3.3% of appraised value. This figure fell from Bt132.0m to Bt18.2m year-on-year.

    There was a similar downward trend in income from transfer fees, normally paid for by the buyer at 2% of registered value. These plummeted from Bt104.3m to Bt13.6m year-on-year.

    Withholding tax, paid for by the seller at 1% of appraised value, fell from Bt85.7m to Bt58.6m year-on-year.

    Stamp duty, paid for by the seller at 0.5% of registered value, fell from Bt11.6m to Bt7.5m.

    Property analyst Bill Barnett of thephuketinsider.com The Source For All Hotel And Real Estate News. told the Gazette that the figures reflect a "wait and see" attitude on the part of Thai investors, many of whom speculate by buying several units at a time without the intention of living in them.

    Describing the figures as somewhat volatile, he cautioned that they are not a reliable yardstick for trends in the upscale villa market, where many sales are to foreigners on a leasehold basis or though offshore accounts, and thus not included in the Land Department figures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    down almost 71%.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    There was a similar downward trend......
    A year on year plunge is not a downward trend, its a collapse.

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    prices in popular tourist areas have been rediculously high for a long time, much the same as the UK. It was well overdue for a collapse.

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    For Sale In... Thailand

    MARKET OVERVIEW

    The real estate market in Thailand’s beach resorts is fed mostly by foreign buyers, who make up more than 90 percent of the market share, according to Frank Khan, the director of Knight Frank Thailand’s residential department.

    Because of this dependence on incoming foreign money, which has become scarce because of the global economic crisis, the second-home market in Phuket and Pattaya has ground to a halt.

    Mr. Khan said the exception was the adjacent resort town of Hua Hin, which has remained a popular second-home destination for wealthy Thais, including the king of Thailand himself.

    Mr. Khan says homes priced below 10 million baht (about $290,000) are selling, but the market above that threshold is stagnant, even in Hua Hin and Bangkok, where some investors are still buying at the lower end.

    The large expatriate community in Bangkok mostly revolves around the international businesses there, said David Gray, the director of East Coast Real Estate, based in Pattaya, and there is not much of a high-end second-home market in the city itself.

    Currency fluctuations are also affecting the Thai second-home market, according to Mr. Gray. He said the baht’s relative strength against foreign currencies, including the ruble, the British pound and the Australian dollar, was motivating cash-strapped foreign second-home-owners to sell their Thai holdings.
    “A lot of people are cashing in on the exchange rate right now,” he said. “People can take much less for their homes and still not lose anything.”

    Second homes in Phuket cost about twice as much as comparable homes in Pattaya, Mr. Gray said, because Phuket is an island and developable land is more limited.

    He is seeing more second-home-owners moving away from the beach resorts and into the countryside, many building retirement homes. North of Bangkok, for example, it is possible to find an acre for a couple of thousand dollars. “For Thailand, that’s cheap,” he said.

    WHO BUYS IN PATTAYA

    Thailand attracts buyers from all over the world, according to Mr. Gray. He has sold properties to Europeans, Americans and Australians, as well as people from other Asian countries.

    Until a few years ago, British and German buyers were the most prevalent, but interest from German as well as Russian buyers has decreased, he said.

    “Americans seem to be buying at the moment,” he added, “or whoever holds American dollars,” because the dollar is relatively strong.

    BUYING BASICS

    Foreigners cannot own stand-alone houses in Thailand, but there are a number of common ways to work around that stricture.

    Mr. Gray says foreigners can set up a Thai company through which to buy property (though new regulations may soon make this method more difficult).

    It costs 30,000 to 50,000 baht (about $880 to $1,460) to set up a company for this purpose, Mr. Gray said, and running costs after that come to about 20,000 baht (about $590) per year for accounting fees and taxes.

    Many foreigners buy property in the name of a Thai person they trust, according to Mr. Gray. They can then lease the property back from the official owner for up to 30 years. The lease can be renewed at the end of its term, Mr. Gray said.

    Foreigners are permitted to own a condominium or apartment outright, as long as more than half the development is owned by a Thai entity. “Any building can be up to 49 percent foreign owned,” Mr. Gray said. “There has to be majority Thai ownership in the building.”

    When property changes hands, the buyer pays transfer taxes, fees and stamp duties to the local land officials. Mr. Gray says these costs are normally 5 to 6 percent of the declared value of the property. (Declared value is determined by the government, and is usually 50 to 60 percent of market value.)

    But Mr. Gray also said that the government, in an attempt to stimulate the market, had reduced all taxes and fees to less than 1 percent of declared value until April 2010.

    The seller pays the real estate agent’s commission, which ranges from 3 to 5 percent of the sale price.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/gr...ref=realestate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gray
    Foreigners are permitted to own a condominium or apartment outright
    An apartment Mr Gray? Are you sure about this Mr Gray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    North of Bangkok, for example, it is possible to find an acre for a couple of thousand dollars. “For Thailand, that’s cheap,” he said.
    mmmmm 68,000 baht. Thats gonna be about 300 km's "north of bangkok", probably.

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    sadly the prices will not go down,

    Thai will keep the land like it was made of gold,

    even if it means poor return on their capital,

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    ^^It is also possible to find a needle in a haystack, but would you bother? 50k baht a rai land really isn't prime land.

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    And just to make things more interesting Phuket land officials have announced they will be revoking land title deeds if it is found that you gave the money to your Thai wife to buy the land, more here (Illegal to Use Thai Spouse in Land Ownership).

    Foreigners cannot use a Thai spouse as a nominee to buy property in Thailand, however.

    “If the Thai spouse has enough money to buy the house that is fine,

    but if the Thai has no money and uses money given to him or her by a foreigner to acquire property, that is against the law. If we check and find out later that a Thai person has been using money from a foreigner to buy land anywhere in Thailand, we will revoke title deeds,” he said.

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    ^ that should help

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    Mr. Gray recommending setting up illegal nominee companies to circumvent Thailand's land ownership laws.

    Naughty Mr. Gray. Naughty.

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    ^^^ Nail, coffin...

    From the tone of the statement, it sounds like it will be retroactive... I wonder how many TD members will shite their pants when they read this...

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