Phuket - High-season tourism outlook bleak: PTA

**3737ipod** · 15-11-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by killerbees

Originally Posted by terry57

If they cant survive in Thailand on there pension how the fok are they going to survive in the real world ?

Well, they'll move on to someplace cheaper, I suppose. Cambodia and Vietnam apparently being two nearby options, as Melvbot said. The point being, Thailand isn't as cheap as it once was, and isn't as cheap as people may think it is.

Or they'll do what Thais do, and move in with members of their extended family.

Most punters stay in Thailand because this is where they want to be.

If one likes Vietnam or Cambodia more than Thailand they would already be living there I'd suspect.

The best option would be to tighten there belt's and ride out this current situation until things start to pick up again, which they surely will do.

Who knows when but its got to be a better option then uping your sticks and pissing off to friggin Cambodia.

Fok that, at least one is still where they want to be if they just hang in Thailand.

The ones that will cry the loudest is the fellas who spend all there spare money on trollups, piss and ciggies. This crisis has robbed them of there mongering money.

Suck it up lads.

spot on,had the good times now the bad.ride it out and wait for the good times to return

**Rural Surin** · 15-11-2008, 07:33 PM

Seems to me that you folks will always be pleading poverty as long as you go out of your way to exist beyond your means and pursue an unnecessary lifestyle - this could be true wherever you live. This nonsense about long-timers considering returning to their "homelands" because they find the growing economic situation here to be worsening. You won't find it any better back there. Remember? This is why you're here.......gets down to how one cares to conduct their lives and lifestyle. Just as difficult to live beyond your means there as it might be here.

**melvbot** · 15-11-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gaudente

I am afraid these junkies know better than you
happy hippi cambodia sihanoukville southeast asia marijuana cambodian weed ganja adventure marijuana in the tropics southeast asia coffee shop amsterdam themed guesthouse sihanoukville victory hill smack pictures of hard drugs head marijuana south ea

"copy and paste" from "the NO BS FACTS" option the menu , sorry for the all cap text:

A really reputable source of information, the local pot dealer.

**richie22** · 15-11-2008, 08:21 PM

A friend's daughter and husband arrived in Patong a few day's ago on their first trip to Thailand.I met up with them yesterday and their exact words were "what a fkin sh-thole can not wait to get out of here and tell all our friends never to come here.
First night out stung on bangla road for 500 bht a drink,3 times the price of the UK then nearly attacked by their tuk tuk driver(scum of the earth)because he doubled the negotiated price.I have bought them down to Nai harn to jai yen yen.
I hope tourist numbers drop by 100% and give these money grabbing wankers a kick up the arse.

**jandajoy** · 15-11-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by klongmaster

presume you meant ^^^ JJ... DD won't like it if you take the piss out of his writing...being the edumacated sort and all that...

Originally Posted by dirtydog

I assume he is refering to his fellow aussie mate km

Oops. yes, it was directed at the drivel posted by the idiot Gau.

**Rural Surin** · 15-11-2008, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by richie22

A friend's daughter and husband arrived in Patong a few day's ago on their first trip to Thailand.I met up with them yesterday and their exact words were "what a fkin sh-thole can not wait to get out of here and tell all our friends never to come here.
First night out stung on bangla road for 500 bht a drink,3 times the price of the UK then nearly attacked by their tuk tuk driver(scum of the earth)because he doubled the negotiated price.I have bought them down to Nai harn to jai yen yen.
I hope tourist numbers drop by 100% and give these money grabbing wankers a kick up the arse.

Less Foreign Devils.....

**Gaudente** · 15-11-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by melvbot

Originally Posted by Gaudente

I am afraid these junkies know better than you
happy hippi cambodia sihanoukville southeast asia marijuana cambodian weed ganja adventure marijuana in the tropics southeast asia coffee shop amsterdam themed guesthouse sihanoukville victory hill smack pictures of hard drugs head marijuana south ea

"copy and paste" from "the NO BS FACTS" option the menu , sorry for the all cap text:

A really reputable source of information, the local pot dealer.

They point out an interesting fact: why there are no KFC , McDonalds and other world wide franchisings in Cambodia ? The fact land ownership is a mess in Cambo is a reality confirmed in many message boards.
But if you prefer to believe your real estate agency stating you can own land in Cambo....go ahead, let's see if you will still be grinning once you've forked out your cash.

**melvbot** · 15-11-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Gaudente

They point out an interesting fact: why there are no KFC , McDonalds and other world wide franchisings in Cambodia ? The fact land ownership is a mess in Cambo is a reality confirmed in many message boards.
But if you prefer to believe your real estate agency stating you can own land in Cambo....go ahead, let's see if you will still be grinning once you've forked out your cash.

Where have I mentioned consulting an estate agent in Cambodia or even said I was going to buy property there ?

**Gaudente** · 15-11-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Oops. yes, it was directed at the drivel posted by the idiot Gau.

Post reported

**jandajoy** · 15-11-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gaudente

Post reported

Oh No...... please no.

**Gaudente** · 15-11-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

There are quite a few real estate agents in Cambodia that advertise, are they running a business or just a charity then?

They are all running a business , of course. The ones risking are the buyers, not they. If you buy something the sellers did not really own, you are the one losing money, not they. If you buy and put property in name of a company of which you own only 40% and the remaining 60% one day shows up claiming its share, you are the one with a problem , not they.

**Camel Toe** · 15-11-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

I agree.

Inflation and forex have served to crush the good value Thailand enjoyed just a few years ago. My father visited last year for a month, when the greenback was worth around 33B. After listening to me tell him how cheap things were in Thailand over the previous few years (40B-45B), he compared prices of many, many things: Farang food, golf clubs, hotels, gasoline, hardware, cars, shoes, clothes, insurance ...

His conclusion was that it's not cheaper in Thailand, and many items that Thai consider luxury, but he considers indispensable, are far more here than in the US (Fla).

Any value in Thailand is found at the very bottom, survival-level existence. A bag of vegetables, a dusty sidewalk eatery with plastic plates and chairs, a 5-gal bottle of water ... Any step up from the most basic, is often acompanied by outrageous prices which quickly push it out of the range of good value. Double glazed windows, leather seats in a car, riding lawn mower ...

This should be posted on 1000 more websites because this ^ is the answer.

Even when I got here I didn't find it cheap. It's an easy calculation. Think of a service back home and it's cost-to-salary ratio. Washing a car: 100B vs. 5 usd. Shit, I earned $5 in 10 minutes. I know y'all are wealthier than me so don't laugh .. If I go to Lotus and buy the fixings for five days of fit home-cooked meals it's a day's pay. Food on the street is cheap, it should be cause there's nothin in it. What's rice, 50% water?

I live in a town where lots of tourists used to come. All I see nowadays are a few trashy-lookin couples asking me where the cheap hotels are.

**dirtydog** · 15-11-2008, 10:57 PM

I went to Chicago earlier in the year and I wouldn't say it was more expensive than Thailand, yeah ok they didn't have 25baht meals but I rarely eat them anyway.

**Smeg** · 15-11-2008, 11:22 PM

^^ Precisely. If you want to live like a third world peasant, it can be a cheap place. But then its easy to eat baked beans or readymeals from asda or whatever in the UK too. Back in my student days I lived comfortably on less than i live on in Thailand now, and had a car then (unlike now).

Thailand is one big standard of living illusion, and most of the feelgood factor seems to come from having more money than those you see around you, which wouldnt be the case back in the west.

**Camel Toe** · 16-11-2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by phunphin

and when Malaysia is advertising it has everything thailand does , but no sleaze or violence.

All those restaurants in front of the Phun Phin train station .. most don't even bother opening any more.

Malaysia is missing a couple of Thailand's allures, just the same it is an interesting place to visit.

**Gaudente** · 16-11-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by melvbot

Originally Posted by Gaudente

They point out an interesting fact: why there are no KFC , McDonalds and other world wide franchisings in Cambodia ? The fact land ownership is a mess in Cambo is a reality confirmed in many message boards.
But if you prefer to believe your real estate agency stating you can own land in Cambo....go ahead, let's see if you will still be grinning once you've forked out your cash.

Where have I mentioned consulting an estate agent in Cambodia or even said I was going to buy property there ?

Nowhere.
Your mistake is thinking that "the local pot dealer" , who has no interest in conning you, is not a reliable source of information, while a Cambodian real estate agency, whose job is really to con you, would be.

**Gaudente** · 16-11-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gaudente

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Oops. yes, it was directed at the drivel posted by the idiot Gau.

Post reported

I am pleased to see the gratuit insult from the Jandajoy asshole is still there....I guess this gives me the green light then .

**good2bhappy** · 16-11-2008, 12:13 PM

What I don't understand is when tourism is low and there are so few punters why do the girls raise their prices or the landlords raise their rents?

**Gaudente** · 16-11-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

What I don't understand is when tourism is low and there are so few punters why do the girls raise their prices or the landlords raise their rents?

Just walk away, and they will soon run after you begging.

**terry57** · 16-11-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

I went to Chicago earlier in the year and I wouldn't say it was more expensive than Thailand, yeah ok they didn't have 25baht meals but I rarely eat them anyway.

Very interesting DD. You cant be serious about that can you ?

Accomodation costs for starters are totally different unless you are living in a tent under the bridge.

I'll give you an example, at the moment im renting a serviced large room with A/C, sat TV and hot water bathroom for 500 baht.

Back in Perth for that you can get a powered site to throw your shitty tent up in a caravan park, the scanky backpackers pay that in a hostel to get a poxy bunk in a smelly 10 bed dorm.

Cheap food is $8 for some crappy fried rice in a food hall, public transport is double, forget getting a foking taxi as its $ 4 flag fall.

Costs in the US are comparable with OZ so its all relevant.

No need to go as you get the drift, even with the drastic drop in our buying power Thailand is still way cheaper than first world if one is a tad sensible about things.

Running of to Vietnam or Cambodia to save a few baht is bolliks but if the lads think that good criac its all theres.

Good luck boys have fun.

**terry57** · 16-11-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Blimey, that's a bit expensive. 105 up here.

We can still get them for 70 baht here
Guess it depends on size and these are small

Same here, ranging from B70-B80 for a good sized spit bird. Depends where you are as well. I really haven't seen a dramatic increase in market prices over the last several months. Where you might notice the sharp increases are the commercial products. Speaking for ourselves, we might be 60-70% self-suffcient and self-reliant. Everyday items, here and there, that we find a need to purchase still aren't out of sight. It gets down to how one insist on living.

Yep,

Same in the real world, inflation has pushed up prices all across the board so whats happenning here is happenning at home.

Dont think its any different as it aint , some people are living an illusion that its cheaper in the west.

**good2bhappy** · 16-11-2008, 12:34 PM

There are many ways to live in Thailand, ranging from expensive to cheap.
The mix is pleasant

**terry57** · 16-11-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Seems to me that you folks will always be pleading poverty as long as you go out of your way to exist beyond your means.

This nonsense about long-timers considering returning to their "homelands" because they find the growing economic situation here to be worsening. You won't find it any better back there.

Its makes me piss with laughter when I read some of these posts mate.

Me and you can work it out, suppose some of the rest will when they sober up.

Good post by the way and greenie to you.

**plorf** · 17-11-2008, 05:58 PM

I guess you're just talking of different things.. If you want to 'copy' your western life in Thailand it's roughly the same as in the West. If you're fine with what Thailand has to offer you get by much cheaper. Just an example: Most cheap appartments in Switzerland have a proper kitchen with everything you need (dish-washer etc) and even in Zürich city I could find a nice 1.5 room apt for 25k Baht, and I am quite sure you won't find a similar appartment for much less in central Bangkok, as I couldn't find one and I did look for quite a while. If you also want to lease/buy a car, have health insurance, go shopping in big malls and eat western food I think it's difficult to see where you could save much money living in Thailand, especially considering the wages.
I couldn't find the source but I read somewhere that Swiss companies that send their employees to Thailand pay similar salaries as in Switzerland, because of somewhat comparable prices. Like stated by others, this of course is not for a low budget life. Personally I am perfectly fine to downgrade a bit when I travel, but wouldn't want to do that forever as an expat.

**jim1176** · 18-11-2008, 04:42 AM

never really heard much good about phuket ... wondering why that is

heard alot of complaints about rudness and high prices...... wondering why that is

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