You can add an electric heater element to it,one which kicks in when the water temp goes below x degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
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You can add an electric heater element to it,one which kicks in when the water temp goes below x degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
Wot he said but best to keep it simple and locally available service. More stuff, more maintenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by David48atTD
WP-155Q5 pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by dennis4558
https://www.mitsubishi-kyw.co.th/Pro...-Pump/924.aspx
I have single storey house with 8 hot/cold mixer faucets. The pump gives plenty of pressure.
Have an electric boiler hot water heater. 100 liter.
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Originally Posted by David48atTD
Great post David, and seems like you and I are on the same page.
I can relate, agree with or aspire to action most of what you have written (cant get a gas-powered truck just yet).
It's about finding the balance with what you want to achieve and what it will cost. A very important balance. You found yours, I'm still looking but I may well end up almost identical.
That's not to say of course that later, mods / improvements cant be made to push towards your aspirations.
Like you I was always told to 'waste not want not', something my family also followed all the way through. My Mum is coming 91 next month but has followed this all her life.
An inspiration for me.
Oh.. and 'contributing to the information gap'? Please don't stop that one!!
I'm learning so much through the kind members taking the time to read and respond. I think we are all benefiting and long may that continue.
Thanks
Denis, hi...Quote:
Originally Posted by dennis4558
yeah when I get the telescopes swung in the solar heating direction hopefully I can share something. Im sure many have looked at this already.
I figure with solar heating even if you partially heat up some water before passing it into your home system its beneficial. ie. 50% electricity use rather than 100%.
Yes, I know electricity is cheap but who is to say it will remain so?
There is worldwide pressure on energy source / energy use, meaning the cost is unlikely to stagnate or go down. be prepared! who knows what the future holds?
Baht used to be up around 70 to the pound? now its, what? 45? oil was cheap in the middle east, now countries are rushing to add VAT as revenue provider and pump prices are rising.
Maybe Thailand will increase gas revenue in a similar way (pump prices in Thailand are very similar to UAE, for example). My experience is... we never get a 'nice surprise' with pricing... its always moving in the wrong way. As long as my health holds up, I plan to be in this house 30+ years or more!! A lot can happen in 30 years...
So if i can get some free heat, albeit after the set up cost, I'm definitely going to look into it.
I will probably have some water heating arrangement over the covered car area as I do not want those panels on my roof.
Anyway.. will keep everyone posted...
Thats pretty impressive performance LT, sounds like you have a greet system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
I definitely want to know more about what it consists of...
Hi Iom, yeah I was thinking the same in any system I use, for continuity...Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
That's the number 1 rule, of course, Norton... no need to over-complicate anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Anyway... time to pick up where we left off on the progress and photos...
Pouring the 1st floor ring beam.
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Its..all hands to the p...concrete!
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They are placing using K.Pot's in-company skip and crane
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Non-stop crane and regular delivery
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Rather them up there than me...
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The ladies were up there too, in the thick of it.
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Good to see the side spacers in use to centralise the re-bar
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The girls are hard workers.
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This section finished but lots more to do
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I don't fancy walking about on those lower level battens!
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You got to be fit, agile, with good balance and not scared of height if you are on K.Pot's building crew.
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Still pouring...
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Good teamwork to control that skip
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More pix coming...
I have one tank that feeds the house, one that feeds the "garden" so only one piping system inside the house rather than two as you are going to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
I think this is a very good point, we compost whatever we can which means what is thrown out is minimum, all food scraps are either eaten by the dogs or composted, the "composter" is used daily and positioned to be usable! if you compost correctly there are no odors involved, it actually smells 'sweet" !Quote:
Originally Posted by David48atTD
Ahh ok...are your tanks underground or surface-installed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
We will also be doing this rather than filling garbage bags unnecessarily. Put the goodness back in the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
Vibrating the concrete into the rebar
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As I mentioned, just to think how to clean it - even not so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
Just this morning I disconnected from in/outgoing pipes one of my two 1,500 L plastic tanks collecting rain water (for feeding my fish pond) and cleaned the mud collected inside over some 4 years.
No way to get the heavy black mud out off the drain outlet by spraying from the top (there is always 5 cm water staying at the bottom and the mud either), had to turn it upside down and crawl under the opening to spray inside, moving the monster around to get it all spilt out - a really enjoyable work...
Surface, I like to keep anything that has to be maintained easily accessible, cleaning out an underground tank is not pleasant, takes 5 minutes to clean surface tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
Casting the bathroom slabs...
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Originally Posted by Klondyke
yep... I can see the sense, just wondered if anyone was going the u/g route because of aesthetics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airporttwo
Not everyone wants a garden full of tanks! (except perhaps Kim-Jong Un)
5 minutes? I have got one more (on surface) to clean. May I invite you to help me? My post before yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
Often there are seen much more disturbing things than a good functional object...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
I went under ground. Relatively small plot and having tank above ground aesthetically displeasing. Cleaning is more difficult than above ground but not that much more. Pump out water, have small villager go inside and scrub it down. Get BiL's septic tank pump truck to suck up residual water. Different suction hose than the one he uses for septic tanks. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
Clean it every couple years.
LOL I suppose I could grow a bush around it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Lol I hope so, Norton... does he have some coloured twine on the 'good' pipe, just to make sure its does not get mixed up!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
One thing I have noticed, and I also noticed it before earlier in the thread when I was talking about rainfall and how to use grey water (remember, I was thinking of combining grey and black water residue and watering the garden with it? ok not the best idea!)
....everyone has strong views and also a lot of experience when we are talking all things 'water'. This comes out loud and clear from the discussions.
Tanks, pumps, pressure, drain fields, soakaways, boreholes, overhead tanks, centrally heated, locally heated, solar heated, grey lines, black lines, etc etc... we have covered a lot on water but thats because its a big topic to cover. I have found it fascinating and a great learning experience. Cetainly there are things I planned to do that, because of advice and experience, I will not now do.
Its good if its aired here, not everyone does exactly the same but between us, for me and any future would-be-builders, there should be enough information to make an informed choice that's 'right for you'
Again, the power of the forum - thanks all.
Finishing work
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Those ladies and their mixing pan!
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Luckily it was filled for them from the skip
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Topping up when the skip had been, and even filling the shutter from scratch.
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I think they serve the rice the same way, down in the Chonburi Hilton...
Unfortunately I have to decline your kind offer to assist due to acute laziness and aversion to work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
You have highlighted one of the reasons I don't collect rainwater, mine get a light coating of fine solids on the bottom, easy to wash out in 5 minutes or soooo.....:)
Well water has a 30 micron filter before going into tank, city water has no filter TDS is surprisingly good at around 100.
One thing worth checking on the water systems is the PH, water here tends to be quite acidic, you find out fairly quickly which water fittings are "quality"!
I don't find the surface tanks to be aesthetically ugly, they are necessary, if they are well plumbed in and piping neat and orderly = "industrial chic" :) my background is in construction, doubtless affects my view point.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My background is in fashion design so our beholding eyes have a different view. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
Anyway, nuff about water now that TD has politely suggested he would like to carry on building the house.
Carry on TD.
WP-155Q5 pump.
https://www.mitsubishi-kyw.co.th/Pro...-Pump/924.aspx
I have single storey house with 8 hot/cold mixer faucets. The pump gives plenty of pressure.
Have an electric boiler hot water heater. 100 liter.
???????????????????????????? ???? EHS | Stiebel Eltron
Thanks Norton for the info.
Never seen such "subtle distinction" on the pipes of septic trucks coming to do the smelly business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
Anyway, to be spared of "good/bad pipes dilemma", for a good dirt sucking of u/g tank, perhaps a simple submersible pump (Daewoo) for 1,200 Baht in Big C or similar be a better (and sure) solution...
Can we do windows and doors next? I like to rant about them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Let me get the walls up first, AP2!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
Again useful for the reference.. cheers!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dennis4558
I am also in 'construction' but I like the idea of clean lines and great views. I will have to consider where I can hide a tank / tanks, but equally I can see a benefit as described, long term with the cleaning arrangements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
I wondered about pH too... does anyone 'treat' their water if it is too acidic / alkalii?
I would imagine acidic water could play havoc with some fixtures and fittings, even the tank itself if not, but maybe its negligable?
Folks tend to put in far too many windows here & end up living in a greenhouse, obviously you need some light, but not direct sunlight, worth thinking about....Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
That's true, AP2, as seen if you drive around any development no matter how expensive? Trying to impose western design into a tropical country forces some compromises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportwo
If you look earlier in my thread, when I posted the floor plans and elevations, you will see windows much more in keeping with ancient Thailand. Narrower windows, higher up in the wall so that the light still comes but a lot of the window is under the roof overhang.
Yes, there are some folding door arrangements which are glazed and obviously an 'in' for both light and heat. There will be blackout curtains in the bedroom with reflective material facing out to reduce this effect as much as possible. All of those folding doors are under big overhangs too.
Most of the drinking water standards allow quite (surprisingly) a broad range of pH, e.g. 6.5 - 9.5. That's in contrast to the strict recommendations (musts) of the swimming pool shops (around 7.4) - and to their dismay. The value of the pH will influence consumption/effectiveness of chlorine. To maintain it so exactly costs quite a big money (beside the chlorine cost), so it's a good business for the shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
In my thread about an affordable swimming pool I had mentioned this topic. I am running my pool whole year practically without frequent pH measuring and so its maintaining - having clear water throughout the year for my daily 1 km swim.
By usual water source the pH will not vary much between 7 - 8, so this will have no remarkable impact on the water system facility.
Hi Klondyke, thanks for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Beside the house water it's also relevant for later...when we dig and install the swimming pool. OK that's still a little way off as the house will finish first, but no harm in gathering the information now.
I will take a read of your thread when I have some spare time..
It's quite a wide range on the drinking water, isn't it?
Yes, that's quite surprising for many. When you read comments of experts on swimming pool forums they do not want to hear it. Usually, the pH always going up, so they ask you to lower it by pH minus - whatever all the preparates are named. In fact, all they are based on acidic substances, mostly HCL (Hydrochloric Acid) or H2SO4 (Sulphuric Acid).Quote:
Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
Some of them say that already pH 8 is not good for your skin. Why, when sea-water is over 8, water in thermal bad as well, isn't it good for health?
According to the 'net...Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Our body and skin require a balance between alkaline and acidity for our acid mantle – the barrier that keeps moisture in and germs and toxins out. Anything over seven is considered alkaline. Skin that falls on this end of the scale tends to be drier and more wrinkly, while skin that’s too acidic can appear red, irritated and itchy. Slightly acidic, around 5.5, is epidermal heaven.
I'm no expert which is why I took a look. Seems 5.5 pH is ideal...