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    Exploiting the system, in the guise of 'ajarn' - Bangkok Post article

    Rather an interesting read:

    FOCUS / EXPATRIATE TEACHERS IN THAILAND

    Exploiting the system, in the guise of 'ajarn'


    The recent arrest of John Karr has raised questions about the types of expatriates working in Thailand's education system. Teacher Harry Nicolaides reveals he sometimes felt he was sharing an office with Hannibal Lector

    What do a disgraced former US state senator, an octogenarian Nazi sympathiser and an Arizona highway patrol officer have in common? They are all teaching English in Thailand, of course. The profession of teaching English in Asia attracts the strangest people. The flotsam and jetsam of the West, many of these ne'er-do-wells wash up on the shoreline of the Third World looking to reinvent themselves like the Count of Monte Cristo, or to champion a cause celebre like Lawrence of Arabia.

    Some are undischarged bankrupts fleeing creditors, fugitives from justice, disgraced or convicted malcontents, religious missionaries, errant husbands, asylum-seekers (and those recently discharged from asylums), crusaders and, occasionally, teachers _ with fake university degrees, of course.

    This is the state of the industry throughout Thailand. And sometimes, you can find yourself sharing an office with Hannibal Lector.

    The process of screening applicants for teaching appointments in Thailand has always been open to abuse, exploitation and identity fraud.

    While most educational institutions employ foreign nationals from Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States without checking the bona fides of academic credentials, going overseas to work has also been a convenient way to escape the indiscretions and convictions of a former life in the West.

    As English is the new lingua franca of a global world, there is a burgeoning demand for native English speakers to teach English in educational institutions at all levels across Thailand.

    The interview and selection process is perfunctory and typically is the responsibility of non-native speakers, and so anyone who looks like a teacher in what is largely a presentation culture, is assured of employment.

    While it is well-known that thousands of reproduction artworks of European masters are created annually in Thailand, fake university and college degrees may also be bought on Khao Sarn road in Bangkok.

    In the past century when Christendom was carried like a torch to enlighten the dark continents, missionaries and teachers were discovered looting national treasures, excavating and smuggling archaeological artifacts, exploiting the indigenous population or establishing private kingdoms with themselves as the self-appointed monarchs.

    During times of military conflict some teachers were even commissioned as intelligence operatives or became correspondents from besieged cities or nations erupting in civil unrest. Today, with an absence of such interesting opportunities, English-language teachers abroad have turned to waging their own war against professional colleagues, exerting their own petty tyrannies on students, exploring a malignant neuroses, indulging a private obsession or simply experiencing the full dress rehearsal of a sordid sexual fetish.

    Just like the former US state senator who was repeatedly caught and convicted for drunk driving and beating his girlfriend. When he carried a loaded revolver into the state legislature he was finally expelled from office. At the height of his power, white racist supremacist and militia members rallied at his demagogic speeches against minorities and welfare recipients, but most recently he has found himself teaching English at a university in Thailand.

    He was also responsible for pushing through a US state senate a highly controversial bill to introduce and maintain a public database of previously convicted sex offenders.

    I met him in a go-go bar in Phuket. It was the quip about the human race being a plague on the earth and that only through a systematic programme of racial purification would we survive as a species, that made me realise he was not on a mercy mission in the Third World.

    He was last seen teaching a transsexual prostitute to sing the Star Spangled Banner in an area notorious for homosexual encounters with young men who had had a sex change operation in Bangkok.

    Then there was the teacher at a prominent language school in Phuket, who was recently exposed as a confidante of Adolf Hitler's personal radiologist. At 85, he was old enough to have been around during the Third Reich and his imperious gait was chillingly resonant of high rank. He spoke German, Greek, Italian, Thai, French and English fluently, but his speciality was to craft letters for bar girls consisting of lies and half-truths to beguile mostly male Caucasian tourists out of their money.

    I was once privy to a meeting he thought was private and observed him perform the customary Nazi military salute when he greeted a German friend. At first, I thought it was moment of historical parody, but then observed both men deliver the same Nazi salute to each other with triumphant, choreographed precision at their farewell.

    He still teaches English today, helping young bar girls conjugate irregular verbs and writes letters while receiving an old age pension from the Italian government.

    There was another teacher _ an American, former Arizona patrol officer who, while working in Thailand, started to exhibit repressed aggression towards his students.

    His violent outbursts and confrontations involved minor infractions of university regulations. He became obsessed with thwarting students from gaining unfair advantage by cheating, and spent hundreds of hours devising examinations that would challenge the ingenuity of students to anticipate the content of examination papers.

    When a small cluster of student papers were found to have similar results, he launched a major investigation into the unlikely correlation.

    He conducted a statistical analysis of the results involving averages, probability and distribution graphs. Re-marking all 250 exam papers, he concluded that a group of students must have stolen an exam paper prior to the exam day.

    He insisted, against the judgment of other teachers, on holding the exam again. The results in the second examination were the same. The students cheated again.

    As a final indictment of the susceptibility of the Thai education system to fraud, consider the following experience. A friend from Australia was visiting Thailand as a tourist. I managed to convince him to assume my identity for the first lecture I was to deliver to 120 students in a course of social psychology at the university where I was working.

    The exercise was designed to show students how vulnerable people are to appearance and presentation, especially so-called experts with impressive credentials. We had my friend's imposing 6'4'' physique clothed in a fine suit and tie beautifully fashioned in the finest bespoke tradition of Bangkok's 24-hour tailors.

    We gave him an impressive resume _ PhD Cambridge University, chairman of research committee at Oxford University, author of two definitive textbooks in the field _ all of which loomed large behind him on a massive cinema-sized screen in a PowerPoint format, while Garry spoke authoritatively about nothing for some time.

    The students paid meticulous attention and wrote copious lecture notes on the rambling dissertation. After an hour, when I arrived dressed casually in shorts and t-shirt and introduced myself as the real course lecturer, the students dismissed me as a loony intruder.

    After all, I did not look like a teacher. That is what matters in Thailand _ the appearance of truth, created by a tailor's scissors, an artist's brushstroke or a surgeon's knife.
    Harry Nicolaides is a Melbourne-born teacher who has taught English in Thailand for the last three years.
    source: Bangkok Post : General news

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    superb 20/20 hindsight of a squeeky clean (yea, sure) 'ajarn' in the LoS

    What is he doing here? And better yet, what is hidden in his closet?

    did he come here for the culture, the fresh air ..the money or...

    sanctimonious preaching pricks are pricks none the less and often of the greatest magnitude

    Question? where have most all these foreign hannibal lector hitler kiddy fiddler whatnots types originated from anyway?
    Answer: The West? yep!

    and what where they doing out there prior coming here? samo samo

    Question: How many more are out there in the West doing kids in on a daily basis?

    Answer: open any online fucking newspaper of any country and start adding!

    It is going to be interesting to see Thai families getting stiffed by ever increasing educational costs, paying more for the same amount of misfits that will just be more difficult to unmask.

    Build a better mouse trap and the mouse will just evolve into a better mouse

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    William, I did reply to this thread but one of the meddling mods split it to make it look like no-one replied.

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    Don't worry.
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    Actually, I agree with a lot of what IN4ZIP said. However, when you also read the following article in the same newspaper on the same day you are left wondering whether or not Thai parents give a fuck about their kid's education:

    Two-thirds of Thailand's schools 'in a coma'

    SIRIKUL BUNNAG
    Two-thirds of primary and secondary schools nationwide have failed the educational standards assessment, the Education Ministry said. Somwang Pithiyanuwat, director of the ministry's Office of Academic Accreditation and Educational Evaluation, said his agency has assessed 30,010 schools, both state-run and private. Only 100 schools have not yet been evaluated.

    The results show that two-thirds of the schools, or about 20,000, have fallen below the educational standards set by the office.

    The assessment has been carried out on a regular basis since 2001.

    ''Two-thirds of the schools which failed the assessment are categorised as being in the 'ICU' [intensive care unit]. Their education quality is tantamount to being in a coma. They need urgent improvements,'' Mr Somwang said.

    The figures show the country's education quality was in a shambles, he said.

    Most schools in the ICU category are small primary schools in rural areas with about 300 students each.

    ''Results of the curriculum evaluation at those schools found the students lacked creative thinking and displayed no thirst for knowledge,'' Mr Somwang said.

    Most of the schools also lacked quality teachers. Although 91% of the teachers hold at least a bachelor's degree, their teaching skills are poor, he said. Many school executives are also poor managers.Of all Thai schools nationwide, only 8,000 are able to maintain a high educational standard, Mr Somwang said.

    The survey found that Mahidol Witthayanusorn school in Nakhon Pathom was the only school given a free hand to manage its education, he said.

    He urged the Education Ministry to urgently make those schools which surpassed educational standards juristic entities so they could manage their own education and budgets.

    An ad hoc independent agency is needed to shape up the ICU schools, he said. The agency should be given four years to achieve its goal before it is dissolved.

    He said the proposed agency should be addressed by politicians seeking office. He has already given the proposal to Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

    A quality fund of at least 15 billion baht should also be set up to develop the education of the under-performing schools, said Mr Somwang.
    The next government should increase the number of educational zones from 175 to 295 to more efficiently supervise schools under their jurisdiction, he said.

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    wtf another prime example of easy finger pointing.
    Does anybody here know, have a clue who are/were the Bunnags?

    ...one of the richest local families, that have made an untold fortune off their lowerdowns and are still milking the dumb buffaloes!

    Are they ...and others.. still conveniently perpetuating the status quo, while in a pc way screaming ...wolf! wolf!

    fuckoff to all ye corrupted to the core c.unts with banckrupted credibility,
    I despise thee!




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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    .....wondering whether or not Thai parents give a fuck about their kid's education:
    I get the impression that rich kids are sent just to stop them from spending too much of daddy's money and the poorer kids are only sent if their parents can't find a decent job for them.

    OK, slightly cycincal, but this attitude to education isn't entirely limited to Thailand, is it? Bad parenting isn't exclusively restricted to the land of smiles. For decades it has been the prerogative of rich families in the west to send their children to boarding school till they're old enough to go to university. No wonder so many end up with distorted views of the world.

    There are two real problems here. One is the vetting of new teachers, the other is the standard of care applied by schools and parents alike. A sensible way to tackle the former is for organisations like CELTA and TEFL to register everyone who has taken a teacher training course and be the de facto referee to whom all education establishments should defer all checks on new recruits. In this day and age of hi-tech computing and databases, it can't be too hard for accredited issuers of teaching qualifications to be be made to keep a register of all trained teachers. After all, these are the bodies that issue the certificates, which can easily be forged as we all know, so why not make schools and colleges check back with these organisations directly. It wouldn't take long and would ensure that the person applying for a job really has been issued with a genuine qualification.

    Remember that this isn't something that only concerns the teaching profession. I recall a brilliant scam in the UK by a guy who posed as a hospital doctor for months, performing operations and doing the rounds as though he was a normal doctor. Can't remember how he was found out (probably the open-heart surgery might have been a give-away) but you find con artists everywhere, in every walk of life. It's just far easier to get away with it in Thailand as people tend to trust us a lot more.

    As for the latter, it would take a social revolution in this country for education to be seen as something other than a minor inconvenience on the way to sending home some money. If the central government can't even bother to ensure free education to every child up to the age of 18, then how can we expect attitudes to change? In many poorer parts of Thailand kids have to buy their own text books, pay to go to school and get no support from anyone, particularly their parents.
    The truth is out there, but then I'm stuck in here.

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    ^ *checks around to see if he is still on TD*

    IMO, that's an excellent post Wallace

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    ^ *checks around to see if he is still on TD*
    R U saying we is thick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    ^ *checks around to see if he is still on TD*

    IMO, that's an excellent post Wallace
    Now you've gone and done it. I'll never hear then end of it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in4zip View Post
    wtf another prime example of easy finger pointing.
    Does anybody here know, have a clue who are/were the Bunnags?

    ...one of the richest local families, that have made an untold fortune off their lowerdowns and are still milking the dumb buffaloes!

    Are they ...and others.. still conveniently perpetuating the status quo, while in a pc way screaming ...wolf! wolf!

    fuckoff to all ye corrupted to the core c.unts with banckrupted credibility,
    I despise thee!



    Bunnag family is huge. Not all parts of it are filthy rich.

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    Bye bye LDMA (Mr no-degree teacher).

    I do actually hope that the Thais finally get off their lazy arses and sort out the mess that allows so many unqualified and scumbag foreigners to live off Thai (and Korean) children.

    People who were too stupid or lazy to educate themselves to degree level should never be allowed to earn money as a professional educator, anywhere.

    At a minimum, stop dishing out countless tourist visas to obvious wankers, and demand verifyable criminal record certification (I had enhanced CRB checks in 2001 and 2003 for teacher training, its painless and should be the norm for everyone going abroad to do anything in my opinion)

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    What are the most important proffessions in the world? well apart from prostitution, it has to be medical care and education, would we agree to a heart transplant by somebody who had done a 20 hour course? Well there we have it

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    unfortunately some good teachers would be forced out of their jobs, but the strictest of work permit regulations is precisely what is needed.
    Last edited by raycarey; 23-08-2006 at 07:32 PM.

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    ^And yet anyone who helped the authorities to achieve this (and my god don't they need help) would be hated by many members on this forum, and be called a snitch or a grass.

    Pathetic selfish little people. You know who you are. Thailand has enough problems without parasite scum like you polluting the place. But of course, in your own eyes you are wonderful and oh so worthy of being here.

    Of course, if the illegally earned money is coming via a Korean babysitting agency (who take it from the Thais) then all is well and good of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post

    I do actually hope that the Thais finally get off their lazy arses and sort out the mess that allows so many unqualified and scumbag foreigners to live off Thai (and Korean) children.

    So whose problem is it? And how many unqualified scumbag foreigners are you talking about? Have you personally counted them? How many do you know?

    First you blame the Thais for not being able to 'sort out their mess' then you blame teachers for skirting the totally ridiculous and absurd work permit requirements. I know teachers who have taken on jobs in schools, been promised work permits and then spend far too much time doing visa runs until the school and Department of Education pull their fingers out of their arses and sort out the paper work. It can take months.

    How else are teachers supposed to get into the country and carry on with their jobs in the interim if they can't get a tourist visa? Your arguments are nonsense but I do agree that the system needs sorting. This is a Thai problem and no one else's.

    As for having a degree or not to be able to teach, not sure why that matters. If you have the appropriate teaching qualifications and can get experience, then what does a degree in applied thermonuclear physics have to do with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    well apart from prostitution, it has to be medical care and education, would we agree to a heart transplant by somebody who had done a 20 hour course?
    I assume you fly back to England every time you get ill then

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    would we agree to a heart transplant by somebody who had done a 20 hour course? Well there we have it
    probably - but i'd need at least 3 quotes to get the best price - and i'd also need to see a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate showing that the guy had completed the full 20 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA
    I assume you fly back to England every time you get ill then
    I don't get ill

    Been in hospital 4 times in 40 years, 2 times for steri strips, once for a tooth xray and once to have some infected meat chopped out of my ankle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    Thailand has enough problems without parasite scum like me polluting the place.
    Well, go home then if that's how you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    Bye bye LDMA (Mr no-degree teacher).
    Except for some vague references to qualifications in the earliest articles, there has been no suggestion that the requirements to be granted a Teacher's Licence or Work Permit be elevated. Just that those qualifications upon which the TL and/or WP are issued are in fact actually verified. (Which I would strongly encourage, BTW!) So your wish to see the back of LDMA and others who have been granted TL/WP without a degree may be a little while in coming.

    People who were too stupid or lazy to educate themselves to degree level should never be allowed to earn money as a professional educator, anywhere.
    What crap! If the teaching has a distinct pedagogical responsibility, I would agree. But TEFL is not teaching of that nature. It is simply language instruction. Accordingly, the main test of suitability is actual performance. In the absence of ability to demonstrate, through inexperience, I see no problem in a TEFL certificate being the starting point.

    Perhaps a large amount of the never-ending debate surrounding this issue would disappear if that distinction was made clear through the title of the position.

    At a minimum, stop dishing out countless tourist visas to obvious wankers, and demand verifyable criminal record certification
    And how do we define "obvious wanker", Smeg? By your standards? By my standards? By Thai standards? And having done that, how does Thailand achieve it's tourism target of 13.7 million?

    (I had enhanced CRB checks in 2001 and 2003 for teacher training, its painless and should be the norm for everyone going abroad to do anything in my opinion)
    To do anything? WTF are you talking about now?

    Anyway, to hold a job as a teacher or an instructor in which you might be left alone with children...yes, I agree 100%. It isn't that onerous and if you remain incountry, needs only to be done the once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    At a minimum, stop dishing out countless tourist visas to obvious wankers
    You would never get in then. There is no more obvious wanker than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torbek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smeg
    (I had enhanced CRB checks in 2001 and 2003 for teacher training, its painless and should be the norm for everyone going abroad to do anything in my opinion)
    To do anything? WTF are you talking about now?

    Anyway, to hold a job as a teacher or an instructor in which you might be left alone with children...yes, I agree 100%. It isn't that onerous and if you remain incountry, needs only to be done the once.
    a criminal check is only as good as the day it was done........

    but certainly better than nothing, might catch a few obvious crims

    actualyl there was a big fus about 8 months ago in aus... too lazy to look for any archived articles just know **promises to do later**

    but a teacher was found to have a sexual charge / conviction laid against him 5 or 6 years earlier - so he was duly sacked as per the Law. despite being a very good teacher in a country town that have a teacher shortage.

    so - he has a sexual criminal you say...


    the details of the actual case.

    he was 19, had a g/f of 16 or 17 i think.......

    nothing wrong yet.....

    he was seen kissing and fondling her boobs at the same time by somebody who was NOT a member of either family.

    thats all! he was not a teacher at the time! while not exactly within the law its hardly the equivalent of Hannibal Lector....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwillyhggtb
    the details of the actual case. he was 19, had a g/f of 16 or 17 i think....... nothing wrong yet..... he was seen kissing and fondling her boobs at the same time by somebody who was NOT a member of either family.
    Willy, I dont get that.

    A 19 year old is allowed to have sex with a 16year old.

    What was the charge?

    But it doesnt do the problem any good to come up with stories where people have been falsely accused.

    The convicted ones are the tip of the iceberg.
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