US Presidential Campaign 2008

**chinthee** · 13-05-2008, 07:10 PM

^Hilary's hoping to be fed scraps from the table now.

**Mr Earl** · 13-05-2008, 07:12 PM

I don't think anyone in Wash. really want's to see the Clinton "circus" come back to town.

**Jet Gorgon** · 14-05-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

I am guestimating that in the month of June it will be Obama as the nominee. He's got the momentum and the math behind him.

Obama will not be at the conference. Hillary will be the Dem nominee. eeeeeeeeeeeeee EEEEEEE oooooooo

**GooMaiRoo** · 15-05-2008, 09:48 AM

The Clintons might have offshore bank accounts, but could George Bush have done even better with a 100,000-acre estate in Paraguay? (unsubstantiated, as are reports of the Clinton accounts):

"Back in late 2006, it was widely reported in the Latin American media that President Bush, or perhaps his old man, had bought a 100,000-acre farm in a remote area of Paraguay. What struck people at the time was the choice of country. Paraguay, of course, has gained a certain Club Med status among the world's villains and criminal elements as the place to go when the law's on your tail...."

Dave Lindorff: Blame It On Paraquay!

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 10:26 AM

Edwards endorses Obama in move to unify support

Hillary!! Just let it go and stop your quest for the Holy Grail.

Edwards endorses Obama in move to unify support - Yahoo! News

**ChiangMai noon** · 15-05-2008, 10:33 AM

^
any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

**raycarey** · 15-05-2008, 10:35 AM

i wouldn't be surprised if she didn't concede until june 3rd.

and i really don't see how she's doing much harm...obama's national numbers haven't been adversely affected by her staying in the race.

and it could be argued that if she were a man, people would be admiring her 'dedication' and 'tough mindedness'.

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

If not a key cabinet position for sure.

**barbaro** · 15-05-2008, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Edwards endorses Obama in move to unify support

Hillary!! Just let it go and stop your quest for the Holy Grail.

Edwards endorses Obama in move to unify support - Yahoo! News

Edwards has 19 delegates, and now they'll be allocated to Obama. Small amount, but the Momentum is toward BO.

I expect more endorsments in the coming weeks for him.

**raycarey** · 15-05-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

i wouldn't think there's much chance of it happening. he doesn't bring to the ticket what obama needs to counter mccain's sole strong point....foreign policy experience.

**chinthee** · 15-05-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

If not a key cabinet position for sure.

Yes, Edwards will get some choice morsel out of this, but I don't believe he has the legs to be VP.

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

and i really don't see how she's doing much harm...obama's national numbers haven't been adversely affected by her staying in the race.

Related to this , McCain's positives and national polls ranking have not made any change for the better since he clinched the Rep nomination. If he can't improve his ratings after having an unopposed free run, what in the world will happen when the Dems really have go at him?

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Edwards has 19 delegates, and now they'll be allocated to Obama.

From a practical standpoint yes, but I believe they are free to support whoever they choose at the convention.

**barbaro** · 15-05-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

i wouldn't think there's much chance of it happening. he doesn't bring to the ticket what obama needs to counter mccain's sole strong point....foreign policy experience.

I agree. Edwards is not the best of the short list, IMO.

In about 2 months we might know who the VPs will be for both candidates. Are they often chosen about 4-6 weeks before the National Conventions?

**GooMaiRoo** · 15-05-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

i wouldn't think there's much chance of it happening. he doesn't bring to the ticket what obama needs to counter mccain's sole strong point....foreign policy experience.

RC, I'm sure you would agree that McCain's strong point is the public's perception of his foreign policy experience, not foreign policy experience itself. Based on some of his comments, McCain doesn't seem to know the difference between a Shiite from a Sunni.

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Based on some of his comments, McCain doesn't seem to know the difference between a Shiite from a Sunni.

Or in other words, "he doesn't know shit from Shinola".

**Fstop** · 15-05-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

any chance of Edwards as VP now that's out of the way?

i wouldn't think there's much chance of it happening. he doesn't bring to the ticket what obama needs to counter mccain's sole strong point....foreign policy experience.

I agree. Edwards is not the best of the short list, IMO.

In about 2 months we might know who the VPs will be for both candidates. Are they often chosen about 4-6 weeks before the National Conventions?

I won't be Edwards. He's too young. Obama needs someone older with more experience to counter McCain's experience, just like McCain will have someone younger as his VP to counter his dinosaur image.

**raycarey** · 15-05-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

RC, I'm sure you would agree that McCain's strong point is the public's perception of his foreign policy experience, not foreign policy experience itself. Based on some of his comments, McCain doesn't seem to know the difference between a Shiite from a Sunni.

actually i think at one point he probably did know the difference (unlike GWB)...but the rigors of the campaign trail caught up to him. old people mix things up all the time.
the presidency isn't the job for a 72 year old man.

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by durianfan

I won't be Edwards. He's too young. Obama needs someone older with more experience to counter McCain's experience, just like McCain will have someone younger as his VP to counter his dinosaur image.

Seems the role of VP has gained more significance over the last few years. If Obama picks someone in the mold of Chaney with too much experience it may well be perceived Obama will be only a mouth piece for the VP. But, as you say, he needs to find one with enough experience to offset McCain's advantage. Choosing the right compromise will not be an easy decision.

**chinthee** · 15-05-2008, 12:31 PM

I suppose it would be in keeping with Obama's non 'Washington-insider' image to do something different than expected with the VP choice. He could maybe do something like line up potential cabinet picks in advance that could be stacked with experienced subject matter experts.

I think Obama should and will cut back the VP authority just to avoid another Dick Cheney circus.

If he's serious about being anti-Bush, he will appear to want to curtail his own powers as well, and return to the separation of powers ideals that appeals to lovers of the Constitution.

**Norton** · 15-05-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by chinthee

He could maybe do something like line up potential cabinet picks in advance that could be stacked with experienced subject matter experts.

Picking the "right"

VP will be needed to win. Picking the right cabinet will be needed to successfully implement his policies.

**machangezi** · 15-05-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

i wouldn't be surprised if she didn't concede until june 3rd.

and i really don't see how she's doing much harm...obama's national numbers haven't been adversely affected by her staying in the race.

and it could be argued that if she were a man, people would be admiring her 'dedication' and 'tough mindedness'.

Hillary will eventually drop out of the race. A fact.

**Mr Earl** · 15-05-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

The Clintons might have offshore bank accounts, but could George Bush have done even better with a 100,000-acre estate in Paraguay? (unsubstantiated, as are reports of the Clinton accounts):

"Back in late 2006, it was widely reported in the Latin American media that President Bush, or perhaps his old man, had bought a 100,000-acre farm in a remote area of Paraguay. What struck people at the time was the choice of country. Paraguay, of course, has gained a certain Club Med status among the world's villains and criminal elements as the place to go when the law's on your tail...."

Dave Lindorff: Blame It On Paraquay!

Quite a well researched artlicle....

**Accidental Ajarn** · 15-05-2008, 01:32 PM

4 to 1 McCain over Obama

Yes, race still matters in everything, including politics in the USA. Obama may be the first black president, but it might be more likely in 2012 or 2016, or even 2020.

But I didn't think he would get this far, so maybe I am reading it wrong since I have lived outside for any years.

**raycarey** · 15-05-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

4 to 1 McCain over Obama

OK.

what's the most you're willing to wager at those odds.

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