US Presidential Campaign 2008

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

All this campaigning, delegates, Super delegates, primaries... It's all a bit bloody contrived and convoluted innit?

I wish they did a condensed version for people like me with limited attention spans.

Yes, of course...let's just have a good socialist workers utopian 'committee' set up and forget about the folks desire for 'personal responsibility' eh?

**AntRobertson** · 20-02-2008, 06:00 PM

^ Any one want to field this one? What the hell's Booners dribbling on about now??

**ChiangMai noon** · 20-02-2008, 06:02 PM

He is contriving to twist something you said into something you didn't say at all in order to get a rise out of you regarding your liberal stand on most issues.

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^ Any one want to field this one? What the hell's Booners dribbling on about now??

MTV attention span!

**raycarey** · 20-02-2008, 06:06 PM

yet another dodge.

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

yet another dodge.

Y'all should perform in the WWW arena!
Tag team of ray/ant against the evil neocon!

CMN got my back with his post...like the one above...heh

**AntRobertson** · 20-02-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

He is contriving to twist something you said into something you didn't say at all in order to get a rise out of you regarding your liberal stand on most issues.

Ahh, so just garden variety Boon Mee dribble then. Cheers.

**njdesi** · 21-02-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The Iraqi Parliament has a long, long way to go. It still must, amongst other things, pass an oil revenue sharing law

The Bush administration is stalling progress due to it's wish to privatize Iraqi oil. The Iraqi people would like to keep their oil in public trust. Bush went to war to spread democracy, right? Why is allowing foreign companies control of Iraq oil such a non negotiable item for the Bush Administration?

as well as a measure to disarm the various Shiite and Sunni militias still operating throughout Iraq. This will not be easy. But the Iraqis are trying to resolve matters in a civil and democratic manner.

The best way to disarm, of course, is to pay "concerned citizens" (Sunnis that were killing Americans a year ago) $800,000 a day and arming them. After they clear out Al Queda to consolidate their power in the Sunni Triangle, they will then politely hand all of their rifles back to the US and hope the Kurds and Shiites look out for their best interest in the new Iraq.

...Obama also pledges he will be “a tough negotiator with Syria and Iran, sending a clear message that they need to stop meddling in Iraq’s affairs.” I am sure that Ahmadinejad and Asaad are thinking, “Obama’s going to stop us from meddling in Iraq. Oh yeah, you and what army? Oh, that’s right. There is no army because Obama withdrew it.” Obama might as well send House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be his envoy for all the good it would do.

If Iran wasn't interfering in Iraq, I would actually support regime change. Because any country stupid enough not to interfere doesn't deserve to go on. If the Chinese invaded Mexico, don't you think the US would be meddling just a bit?!

But like many liberal Democrats, Obama takes the “blame America” view of the world. “America’s standing has suffered,” said Obama, “Our diplomacy has been compromised by a refusal to talk to people we don’t like.”

Talking to our enemies. Only hippies like Nixon (China) and Reagan (USSR) do shit like that.

During a speech in Madison, Wisconsin, the night of his Potomac triumph, Obama declared, “John McCain won’t be able to say that I ever supported this war in Iraq, because I opposed it from the beginning.” For that matter, John McCain won’t be able to say that Barack Obama wants to win the war in Iraq either.

We are not in a war. Our conventional army defeated their conventional army. We are fighting an insurgency. An insurgency is a reaction to an OCCUPATION. John McCain wants to continue an occupation of a foreign country and Obama wants to end an occupation of a foreign country.

**obsidian** · 21-02-2008, 08:53 AM

received an email from a friend about mccain sex scandle breaking in the usa. anyone see evidence this? i cant find a thing. repubs would be up shit creek if this were to happen and stick.

**chinthee** · 21-02-2008, 08:56 AM

Clinton faces daunting delegate deficit

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Clinton faces daunting delegate deficit - Yahoo! News

**chinthee** · 21-02-2008, 10:00 AM

This is a desperate power hungry woman.

Clinton attacks Obama as all talk, little substance

HIDALGO, Texas (Reuters) - Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton attacked rival Barack Obama as all talk and little substance on Wednesday, trying to slow the momentum that has given him 10 straight victories in the race for the party's presidential nomination.

"We don't need on-the-job training for the next president of the United States," Clinton said in courting Hispanics at a rousing rally in this south Texas town on the Mexican border.

Clinton attacks Obama as all talk, little substance - Yahoo! News

**ChiangMai noon** · 21-02-2008, 10:04 AM

She has to attack him for something i guess.

That's about the best she can do.

**GooMaiRoo** · 21-02-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by obsidian

received an email from a friend about mccain sex scandle breaking in the usa. anyone see evidence this? i cant find a thing. repubs would be up shit creek if this were to happen and stick.

The story just broke in the New York Times online edition. McCain and the 40 year-old lobbyist sure hung out a lot together. There was a suggestion of an affair and reports of serious concern by McCain's associates about her presence. It's damaging because the woman is a lobbyist who may have influenced McCain on telecom legislation. She's 40 and personally I wouldn't touch her with a barge pole, but McCain is a 71 year-old man who doesn't hang out in Thailand, so he may have done her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...mccain.html?hp

**chinthee** · 21-02-2008, 10:10 AM

I really believe that if McCain is the best the Republicans can field that we may see the biggest landslide victory in American history when Obama becomes the next President.

**Mr Earl** · 21-02-2008, 10:20 AM

^^that story has zero factual foundation. If this is all the dirt they have on Mc Cain then they're in trouble. The NYT published under pressure from the New Republic!

^It could easily be a landslide in the other direction, depending on which way the winds blows.

**chinthee** · 21-02-2008, 10:22 AM

^Earl, remember I was once a registered republican. I voted for Reagan and for George Bush Sr.

I think the Repulicans are screwed for the next 8 years.

*And, I blame that twat GWB for all this shit.

**Mr Earl** · 21-02-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

^Earl, remember I was once a registered republican. I voted for Reagan and for George Bush Sr.

I think the Repulicans are screwed for the next 8 years.

*And, I blame that twat GWB for all this shit.

So you've bought into the pessimism!
I'm not tickled with the situation either but I'm not going to buy into the idiotic "blame Bush for everything doctrine". It simply doesn't hold the sand they say it does.

**chinthee** · 21-02-2008, 10:31 AM

^Earl, I hear you, but I'm afraid this guy has done more damage to the Republican party than anyone in history.

He's an idiot. I know you don't agree with that, but he's fuked the Republicans and I hate him for that.

**lom** · 21-02-2008, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

And, I blame that twat GWB for all this shit.

Blame it on corporate America, they bought him the chair and they are the ones who are pulling his strings.

**raycarey** · 21-02-2008, 10:36 AM

that mccain was quite probably cheating on his shrew of a wife (who is also a junkie, btw) is not the main issue....in fact, to most people, it's a a non-issue.

what is important, however, is that this woman (31 years his junior) was a lobbyist who had business before a senate committee chaired by mccain.

brings back memories of the keating five, doesn't it?

For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk - New York Times

**GooMaiRoo** · 21-02-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Norton

... it seems clear that neither side is going to reach the required number of delegates, and the impasse is going to have to be resolved...

Only an amoral beast like Hillary Clinton would think about stealing the nomination if she ends up with less popular votes than Obama. Unless she sweeps the remaining states, she loses all legitimacy and moral authority in trying to claim the nomination. She may try to use 'super delegates' and seat delegates from non-certified elections in Michigan and Florida. Hubert Humphrey was nominated by insiders in 1968 and there was rioting in the streets of Chicago. If she gets away with something like this, it will make Chicago look like a love-fest.

**Mr Earl** · 21-02-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

^Earl, I hear you, but I'm afraid this guy has done more damage to the Republican party than anyone in history.

He's an idiot. I know you don't agree with that, but he's fuked the Republicans and I hate him for that.

I never liked him much but I voted for him because I hate Al Gore and John Kerry.

I think GWB was dealt a tough hand.
You've bought into the whole monday morning QB defeatist rhetoric. Whatever happened to the American "can do" POV?
The economic fiasco the US is facing began December 23rd 1913.
I'm afraid GWB is a puppet for the big interests which swayed Woodrow Wilson also.

**raycarey** · 21-02-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

because I hate Al Gore and John Kerry.

why because they actually had the courage to serve in vietnam? what is it you were doing at the time?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I think GWB was dealt a tough hand.

he dealt it to himself.

he's the one who decided to invade iraq even though it had nothing to do with 9/11

he's the one who decided to stay on vacation in texas during hurrican katrina

he's the one who didn't veto a single outrageous republican spending bill

he's the one who used wedge issues to divide the country...and while it won him re-election '04, he hasn't accomplished anything.

he made his bed, and now...well, you know how it goes.

**njdesi** · 21-02-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

He's an idiot. I know you don't agree with that, but he's fuked the Republicans and I hate him for that.

I am not sure if Bush represents an aberration from core Republican values, or if he represents what the party has evolved into, a mix of nativists, religious zealots, authoritarians, and corporatist.

The only Republican candidate in favor of small government,low taxes, transparent/free markets, and individual rights was Ron Paul and he was treated like a freak show. Maybe these people aren't welcome in the Republican Party anymore.

**KID** · 21-02-2008, 11:19 AM

ron paul was the best choice for prez. now its just another lesser of 3 evil race

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