Barak Hussein Obama

**raycarey** · 20-01-2007, 11:44 AM

and again....why would obama even consider going to a third party?

i'd be interested to read someone try and explain that.

**Boon Mee** · 20-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

^^ Booner:
Thanks, I note that you have not negated anything I said in my post.

Pedantic or what?
The Bearpit is history and you're still sore you got run out of there multiple times due to your poor debating skills. John L. used to wipe the floor with you (still does over in AI Jane from what I hear when you're not on suspension).
The Hildebeast is self-imploding with or without my help so that's a moot point and if y'all don't particularly care for some of the links I've posted in the past, it's probably due to your overwhelming left-liberal bias - like blinkers on a horse - don't want to consider other viewpoints. Mai pen rai...

**stroller** · 20-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

the only chance the republicans have of winning the white house in '08 is if there is a major gaffe by the dem in sept or oct.

Nominating Obama, for example?

**barbaro** · 20-01-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Milkman

Frisco Frankie has made brilliant posts in this thread.

brilliant? seems like thinly veiled racism to me.

I don't see any signs of racism or racist attitudes in FF's post at all.

What he is saying is common sense. Common political sense.

I do not think people should base their vote for or against someone because of their: race, name, etc.

But many people in America do.

Yes, people are changing their attitudes. But many Americans will not punch the ticket for a Black man names Barak Hussein Obama, who's stepfather was a radical Muslim in the past.

Maybe Obama will get some non-white non-Protestant young people to get more interested in politics, and show up at the polls to vote.

But Obama already pushing the White Independent voters over to the GOP, side.

The Dems should distance themselves from Obama, and dump him as soon as they can, and carefully as they can.

The GOP is liking the attention being focused on Obama.

**stroller** · 20-01-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Bearpit is history...

I was referring to my post #21.

**raycarey** · 20-01-2007, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

But Obama already pushing the White Independent voters over to the GOP, side.

what is this based on?

**friscofrankie** · 20-01-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

brilliant? seems like thinly veiled racism to me.

More misdirection and counter-productive rhetoric. you do little to help and much to alienate thso fence sitters and middle of the road types.

What irritates me most about your posting and rhetorical style; you appear to support many (not all) of the changes and attitudes I do, yet your rhetoric and impractical positions do more harm to a cause than help. Please go over to the other side.

Instead of trying to make some radical point, look to what is achievable and focus energies in that direction. The country will be the better for it. revolutionary chages rarely come about and a truly dedicated advocate must try to achieve was is attainable and realize, change takes time.

The last 6 - 7 years has done much to reverse much of the progress made in US politics, civil liberties and rights over the last 40 years. Sadly, we need to step back and try to regain much of what has been lost. SO argure the point what should be but if you want to put our country back on a track to normalcy pushing and unelectable black Muslim ain't gonna do it. The GOP is lovin' it.

**raycarey** · 20-01-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

you do little to help and much to alienate thso fence sitters and middle of the road types.

the big problem with middle of the road types is that they stand in the way of progress....particularly on issues like equality and justice.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Instead of trying to make some radical point, look to what is achievable and focus energies in that direction. The country will be the better for it. revolutionary chages rarely come about and a truly dedicated advocate must try to achieve was is attainable and realize, change takes time.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i have no doubt that there were plenty of 'enlightened' whites in the south during the 50s and 60s that said the same things about civil rights. "now's not the right time" they most certainly said.

how old are you FF?

closer to 20 or 60?

**stroller** · 20-01-2007, 04:59 PM

...and which side of 20 are you on, ray?

**raycarey** · 20-01-2007, 05:31 PM

the + side

.....and it influences my outlook and imagination on what is possible. many old timers like FF are stuck in a 60s and 70s mindset when it comes to race. it's understandable in some ways, but at the same time they've become part of the problem.

many people who are closer to 20 than i am are even more progressive on the topic of race. and while many of them may not have voted in the past, the possibility of being drafted will motivate 20 somethings to the polls.

consider again what FF is proposing....the man should drop out the presidential race in jan. 2007 because of his middle name and religion. how is that good for the country?

**blackgang** · 20-01-2007, 11:46 PM

Well Carey baby, what do you say now, Obama fucked up things so bad already that Hilderbeast has thrown her hat in the ring, she knows she can beat him. 555,, hell my sister could beat him.
American ain't ready for a muslim, Black , Orange or Brown,, Not all muslims are terrorists I know, but 99% of the terrorists are a muslim tho. So ya gotta figure it.

**raycarey** · 21-01-2007, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Obama fucked up things so bad already that Hilderbeast has thrown her hat in the ring,

you clearly have no idea what you're writing about. nice try.

**Boon Mee** · 21-01-2007, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by raycarey

the only chance the republicans have of winning the white house in '08 is if there is a major gaffe by the dem in sept or oct.

Nominating Obama, for example?

The Republican dream ticket is the Hildebeast and Obama as VP.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

**friscofrankie** · 21-01-2007, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

the + side .....and it influences my outlook and imagination on what is possible. many old timers like FF are stuck in a 60s and 70s mindset when it comes to race. it's understandable in some ways, but at the same time they've become part of the problem. many people who are closer to 20 than i am are even more progressive on the topic of race. and while many of them may not have voted in the past, the possibility of being drafted will motivate 20 somethings to the polls. consider again what FF is proposing....the man should drop out the presidential race in jan. 2007 because of his middle name and religion. how is that good for the country?

Jesus H christ. I'm sick of being nice the fuickin guy is is giving the GOP just what they need. In a time when fear of anything Muslim is at an all time high he's got a name that rhymes with Hussein. Fuckin A right or wrong the American people on a whole(or any nationality for that matter) are not intelligent enough to get past that. Silly I know, but public acceptance is a fickle thing.

Get it through your fucking skull; this man playing his cards to the end is the GOP's last, only chance at retaining the White House. The man gave one iota about this fucking country he'd admit this is not the time to play a racial/religious gambit.

People like me are the problem? people like YOU are the problem. This country is afraid of anything Muslim, throw black in the mix and you got all kinds o motherfuckers running to vote against him no matter he is a great man, or not!

My country, YOUR country is in some sort of neo-fascist tailspin that may just throw us into a world war that could see the EU throwing in with the all the other anti american sentiment around the world. We are no longer the good guys man, this is not a proud time for america.

It would be nice to turn it all around and say we did with a black Muslim at the helm BUT IT CANNOT HAPPEN IN TODAYS CLIMATE!! so eat your pride, your left wing hoity toity "what is right" attitude and ask you self, "is a GOP President best for america?" because sure as shit, this dude pushes it to the end it si what you will get. Do I wish it weren't an issue? you fuckin A man. Thing is, it is.

Instead of trying to solve one problem do you want to interject yet another one?

Hopefully he is just trying top get a few of his own planks in the platform, and will withdraw to come back and fight the good fight another day.

America is dying, my friend, and this man (even if he is the best man for the job) cannot save it. if he is smart, if he truly cares, he will force some of his own influence on the direction the Dems will take in the election and step down. Hopefully this is what he is trying to achieve.

On the ticket, he will kill us sure as as shit. Hell, I might even vote for him, but the reality of the situation is he will not be elected. Folks like me are not the problem anyone seriously putting him forth is. Give the man his moment in the sun, let him put something serious down for a foundation and future policy (that ol' give and take system of government) and step down. Our country needs a change in government. If he pushes this too far, it will not happen.

The first balck man in office is going to be a foreign educated muslime? you really thin he can get elected???? he is Mr. OIL's last, great hope.

**blackgang** · 21-01-2007, 09:19 AM

Well said ff, but RC ain't got the sense to see what you are saying.
He is just so Liberal that his head is up his ass so far that he can't see past the hair ring.

**barbaro** · 21-01-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

the + side

.....and it influences my outlook and imagination on what is possible. many old timers like FF are stuck in a 60s and 70s mindset when it comes to race. it's understandable in some ways, but at the same time they've become part of the problem.

Ray, when it comes to these posts in this thread, you and I read the exact same post but have a completely different interpretation.

many people who are closer to 20 than i am are even more progressive on the topic of race. and while many of them may not have voted in the past, the possibility of being drafted will motivate 20 somethings to the polls.

What percentage of these 20-somethings vote? In the last election turnout among this cohort (age group) was higher than usual. But as a whole this age group comprises a low percentage of the over all voting population.

consider again what FF is proposing....the man should drop out the presidential race in jan. 2007 because of his middle name and religion. how is that good for the country?

I am proposing this also. Yes, he should stay out of the race because of his race, middle name, step-dad's religion, and because of his inexperience.

This is the Hillary vs. whoever, show.

Good for the country? I don't know. Probably not.

**raycarey** · 23-01-2007, 08:45 AM

Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.
Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.
He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."
Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.
The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations.

CNN debunks false report about Obama - CNN.com

**Boon Mee** · 23-01-2007, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

CNN debunks false report about Obama - CNN.com

It's sewed some doubts, that's for sure...

**stroller** · 23-01-2007, 09:17 AM

No trick is too cheap for the "right-wing hit" media.

**lom** · 23-01-2007, 09:58 AM

he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school

Very dodgy, one can wonder if the catholics tought him at that young age how to fiddle with kiddies.

**Boon Mee** · 23-01-2007, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

No trick is too cheap for the "right-wing hit" media.

It weren't the right wing hit squad (VRWC) this time.
The 'dirt' on Obama came from the Hildebeast's camp...

**stroller** · 23-01-2007, 10:24 AM

^
...or so the hit squad claims.

**raycarey** · 05-02-2007, 08:55 PM

obama in october 2002...five months before george bush and the republicans started their war.

“ I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.“

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

MTP Transcript for Feb. 4, 2007 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com

but let's focus on his middle name....and the lies about how he went to jihadist high school

**raycarey** · 11-02-2007, 05:39 PM

SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Feb. 10 — Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, standing before the Old State Capitol where Abraham Lincoln began his political career, announced his candidacy for the White House on Saturday by presenting himself as an agent of generational change who could transform a government hobbled by cynicism, petty corruption and “a smallness of our politics.”
“The time for that politics is over,” Mr. Obama said. “It is through. It’s time to turn the page.”
Wearing an overcoat but gloveless on a frigid morning, Mr. Obama invoked a speech Lincoln gave here in 1858 condemning slavery — “a house divided against itself cannot stand” — as he started his campaign to become the nation’s first black president.
Speaking smoothly and comfortably, Mr. Obama offered a generational call to arms, portraying his campaign less as a candidacy and more as a movement. “Each and every time, a new generation has risen up and done what’s needed to be done,” he said. “Today we are called once more, and it is time for our generation to answer that call.”

Obama Formally Enters Presidential Race - New York Times

what's his middle name again?

**Boon Mee** · 12-02-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

what's his middle name again?

Appeasier?

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