Originally Posted by tsicarIt hasn't stopped "pupa" posting either!Originally Posted by tsicar
Not sure this hasn't changed not least looking back at the last mess the military made of trying to run the country, not to mention increased drug taking and increased corruption. Maybe the amart have realised "better the devil you know"?Originally Posted by tsicar
It's an issue for sure but I for one believe it's a reduced threat at this time and the reason I say this is....even HISO Thais were beginning to tire of the lies and corruption exhibited by the last regime!Originally Posted by tsicar
Wishful thinking!Originally Posted by SteveCM
Originally Posted by SteveCMYes, but a lunatic who believes by spinning the same old tiresome rhetoric (lies) that he can once again achieve the status he deserves! Like so many of the Dems "true legends in their own minds"!Originally Posted by SteveCM
There isn't but forewarned is forearmed and very few people were forewarned prior to the 2006 coup.Originally Posted by SteveCM
They never have and never will respect any electoral process, maybe it's time to remind them exactly what a democratic process is really about?Originally Posted by SteveCM
Correct and we all know why!Originally Posted by SteveCM
A subjective opinion for sure and I for one believe it's wrong!Originally Posted by SteveCM
The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people. Well, it isn't. The manufactured Uproar reverberates in very small, self reinforcing circles only.
Fact is, as even a notoriously biased and amateurish Poll organisation let slip (Suan dive or Abac, who cares, using a biased sample group), Thaksin returning or getting amnesty is very low on their list of concerns.
Not only Thais listen to that hollow drum unfortunately so do many ignorant farangs!Originally Posted by sabang
Fixed that one for you!Originally Posted by nidhogg
are we really out of touch ? let's seeOriginally Posted by sabang
on one end, we have drunken peasants looking for a savior to put an end to their misery,
on the other, we have a group of hard working people seeing what the savior is all about and who want a better Thailand based on the rule of law and good business environment
the divide in Thailand is not only politics, it's mostly economic, with one party manipulating a crowd of poor people by making them believe they will be better off tomorrow economically if he is let to return
Do you mean this one?
Bangkok Post : Thaksin should butt out, Abac poll finds
Thaksin should butt out, Abac poll finds
- Published: 22/08/2011 at 12:00 AM
- Newspaper section: News
Most people want ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra to distance himself from politics in Thailand and give his sister, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, a free hand in managing the country, a poll has found.
Abac Poll, conducted by Assumption University, last week asked 2,193 Thais in 17 provinces what they think about the Pheu-Thai led government's proposal to amend the constitution and the chances of reconciliation.
According to the poll, 68.9% of respondents said they wanted Thaksin to stop his political activities and let Ms Yingluck do her job by herself; 20.5% said the former premier should have a role in helping the country and its people; while 10.6% thought the man could do what he liked.
Asked if the government was pandering to Thaksin, 40.9% agreed while 19.7% believed the government was truly adhering to the nation's interest.
Regarding the government's plans to amend the charter, 53% of respondents disagreed with the plan, 55% thought the move was intended to serve a particular interest, and 76.9% regarded the amendment as not an urgent issue. But 46.7% supported the charter amendment and 44.9% thought it was for the benefit of the majority. About 51% held out no hope of national reconciliation, while 48.7% said they still had hope.
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"Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar
^ Nope, I mean the one where a group of chosen 'concerned citizens' (or words to that effect) in the Bangkok area were asked their concerns. The question of Amnesty for Thaksin was very low, about 4th or 5th from memory.
Which presumably encompasses all of Thailand except the south.Originally Posted by Butterfly
Indeed- so after the utter corruption and turmoil of the last five years, is it any wonder they voted for change in the second largest landslide victory in Thai history?Originally Posted by Butterfly
This is true. But the problem is that this little circle controls key instituitions and is not interested in what the majority (whether it is 51% or 99.9%) think...Originally Posted by sabang
Thai-ASEAN News Network
Corrupt Politics and Coup
UPDATE : 16 September 2011
September 19 will be the 5th anniversary of Thailand's most recent military coup. The coup may not be the last one that we will see as long as the country is still occupied by corrupt politicians and irresponsible citizens, who are unable to distinguish right from wrong.
In fact, both military coups and crooked officials are equally undesirable. However, when asked what ordinary citizens can do to oust crooked politicians, the idealist scholars would simply say that first, the people, as voters, need to stop appointing them to power in the first place. Then, another question is posed, what can the people do if virtually all politicians are debauched?
Do the people have the power to deal with bad politicians? The answer is “yes” on the condition that they must be well informed and put the common interests above of their own. Most importantly, they must learn how to be shamed by evil deeds.
How many Thai people have such character? Many of them would claim it is okay to vote for corrupt politicians, keep their mouths shut and stay put as long as they also get a piece of the pie.
Everyone needs to look back at how Thailand has been faring during the past 20 to 30 years, have there been more bad or good politicians? How many statesmen and tyrants have we had? How much has Thailand been damaged? How many misled innocent people have been injured or killed.
We may not have to look back very far. Out of all the politicians and officials in power at the moment, how many of them are truly honest and qualified to run the country. At the same time, how many of them should face criminal charges?
By considering the where the country is heading, those who have been closely following the news would know that there is a military coup in the air. As long as Thailand is still be ruled by shameless and irresponsible crooked politicians, we will never be able to escape military coups.
Taken from Editorial Section, Naewna Newspaper, Page 3, September 16, 2011
Translated and Rewritten by Kongkrai Maksrivorawan
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Priceless "pupa" absolutely priceless...keep em coming!Originally Posted by Butterfly
Quote by Butterfly are we really out of touch ?
you are! but just how would you know ....... Note the Banner here Thai E-News A deal between the Royals Mr T took place some time ago
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^ it's actually far worse than that, Tom. It's typical PADite: "we don't think the masses should have a voice because they don't agree with us, so we will instigate a coup by corrupt and murderous generals who will then 'appoint' people that share the values of our minority group."
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
Cycling should be banned!!!
that's the point, how would anyone knows ? including you and the other red nuttersOriginally Posted by Scaramanga
so much for a new democracy with the new Thaksin regime, this link is blocked by the ministryOriginally Posted by Scaramanga
Sad, but probably true. Probably the only thing keeping the tanks in the barracks at the moment was that they made such a monumental fuck up of running the country under the military appointed "government" last time that they are hesitant to do it again...
Even more sadly, the only two choices in thailand are "shit" or "shittier"...
^^
No sign of blocking via my ISP (3BB)
I think all this political non-sense will stop once they kill Thaksin, I mean he is fair game and he knows what to expect
from that, we might see a real Democracy leader coming form the Reds, hopefully socialist leaning
of course, him being killed might also mean another far worse red leader coming on line
^^ Mine is blocked (Ipstar).
The evidence that Thailand needs to put this childish, petulant Coup cycle behind it is overwhelming. Most military governments have been nothing short of terrible, and the 'quasi-democratic' governments that are set up via jiggery pokery, such as the Abhisit admin, cannot govern anyway because they are in troth too (or in league with) the very worst elements in and around Thai politics.
The public 'reasons' for a Coup are just that- for the consumption of the great unwashed. They are bullshit. For example the stated reason for Thaksin's ouster- worth remembering he was the most popular PM in Thai history to- was 'corruption'. Inconveniently, Transparency International's "Corruption Perceptions Index" actually improved from 3.2 to 3.8 between 2001 and 2005, ie during his tenure. We all know what has happened to corruption in Thailand since the Coup, too.
No, the reasons for these treasonous Coups d'etat that Thailand has repetitively suffered from are, to get down to basics, vanity, greed and bigotry. In the truest sense of the word, Thailand needs to grow up to become a functioning and sustainable democracy. Such reforms as need to be made (many) are best performed within the existing system, than by regularly overthrowing it on the whim of a few connected people. That just makes it worse, and hinders the reform process.
^ Talking about childish and petulant, you are right on time BF.
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