Thread: Fury at Rwanda sterilisation bill

Hypocrisy. Good on Rwanda for pragmatically trying to solve a major problem that all sub-saharan African countries struggle with. Are the moralists who want to deny Rwandans the right of their own legislation willing to care and cough up the cash for the disabled kids ? Let's not forget that late abortions are legal in many countries in Europe in case your kid is disabled. Oh but maybe abortions are better than sterilisations...
Sterilising disabled citizens is the only solution for a country that can't afford the Western way of "getting rid of disabled kids" (ie. putting them in homes for the handicapped, paid by the public, so the parents can forget about them)

So what is HWR's stake regarding this issue? What business is it of theirs? HWR and the thousands of like groups need a good looking at and self sterilisation themselves.

People get so upset at any laws that regulate reproduction. Either banning abortion, sterilization or anything of the like, you have to hear the "it's the woman's body" argument. Why then do most of these same people have no problem with drug laws that also control what you can do with your own body? Laws are so silly sometimes.

Originally Posted by plorf

Hypocrisy. Good on Rwanda for pragmatically trying to solve a major problem that all sub-saharan African countries struggle with. Are the moralists who want to deny Rwandans the right of their own legislation willing to care and cough up the cash for the disabled kids ? Let's not forget that late abortions are legal in many countries in Europe in case your kid is disabled. Oh but maybe abortions are better than sterilisations...
Sterilising disabled citizens is the only solution for a country that can't afford the Western way of "getting rid of disabled kids" (ie. putting them in homes for the handicapped, paid by the public, so the parents can forget about them)

How very true this is, no ones business unless that is their country..
I think that they should sterilize all human right groups that stick their noses in someone else business.

Just remember that if mentalists were to be forcibly sterilised we'd have to castrate a fair amount of TD posters

I don't want any [at][at][at][at] acting like me after i've popped off

The Rwandan genocidal war can be directly linked to overpopulation in the area.

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

The Rwandan genocidal war can be directly linked to overpopulation in the area.

Holy camoly! What kind of Kool-Aid have you and Buttfly been drinking today? I think you could start with the nice Belgians who colonised the country and made the Tutsis superior to the Hutus. Nice way to divide the people, huh? So, the Belgies left and the tribes clashed. The main reason for the 1994 genocide, besides the p*ss poor economy, was the mysterious plane crash that killed the Prez, a Hutu.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Just remember that if mentalists were to be forcibly sterilised we'd have to castrate a fair amount of TD posters

wot he said .

Originally Posted by Mid

wot he said .

Not as long as we stay away from Rwanda..

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

So once again you prove how little you know, big deal, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Try reading Collapse by Jared Diamond, or are you gonna tell me he's been at the Kool Aid too?

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you get hit by a coconut on Koh Samui..?

Though well received by the usual suspects, my suspiscions would run deep regarding the views of Mr. Diamond.

they did the same thing here in Colombia, sterilizing poor people who were having tons of kids and putting a strain on the economy, they told them they needed vacinations and sterilized them.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Rwanda is being urged to drop a draft law which would forcibly sterilise people who are mentally disabled.

There are degrees of mental disability..suely that's reognised...but if your a full blown cabbage..then chances are that you have no idea that shagging 'Umbeki' will result in a child??? am I correct..

So I am with Rwanda on this one..sorry but I agree, they haven't got the resources that the west has to abandon their mongaloid kids on the doorstep of the state...or abort them when the have their little test..just look at Thailand for a prime example and this country is far richer..many monged kids just sit at home to die due to poor helth care..and I watch on TV with my wife...where the parents have abandoned their 'unwanted' one with family or even neigbours!!!

Originally Posted by dirtydog

US-based campaign group Human Rights Watch said the proposed law was deeply flawed and violated the government's obligation to uphold human rights.

Keep ya bloody nose out..US..where was your government when the atrocities were happening...and don't say where was mine...the UK rarely tries to give the image of being 'holier than thou'

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Rome Statute

Is this the bloody Catholics...hang on isn't it their fault and the Vatican's fault that most of Africa is in this GOD awful state in the 1st place???? No you can't use condoms or contraceptives....
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Originally Posted by dirtydog

Rwanda has successfully managed to lower the spread of Aids in recent years thanks to its HIV campaign.

Now I don't know much about their campaign? Let's hope it wasn't like the one in the 1990's :-( I hope that they mean that they've broken the stigma surrounding such a sad disease.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Figures from the World Bank in 2007 put the prevalence of Aids in the country at about 3%, down from 11% in 2000.

Well done their...they musn't be Catholics???? As oppossed to Botswana where most of the country at one time was HIV+...why don't they call it just HIV...as a positive thing it is not...

Originally Posted by dirtydog

"While Rwanda has made notable progress in fighting stigma and responding to the Aids epidemic, and has pledged to advance the rights of persons with disability, forced sterilisation and mandatory HIV testing do not contribute to those goals," said Mr Amon, the health and human rights director at Human Rights Watch.

Mandatory HIV tests are surely a good idea..the world over...A: you would know that you had it and could get on the drugs sooner and hopefully be a good human and not pas it on to anyone else????

Originally Posted by dirtydog

"These elements of the bill undermine reproductive health goals and undo decades of work to ensure respect for reproductive rights."

Fuc* reproduction...in the last century the population has gone from 2 billion parasitic human..to a staggering 6+ billion!!!! STOP RUTTING JUST FOR A DAY OR 2....let's work out this food air deal shall we???????????

Originally Posted by blackgang

I think that they should sterilize all human right groups that stick their noses in someone else business.

Sorry can't agree with you on that one matey....some do great work....

Too many people in Africa, and too little food. HIV is a good way to control the population, and who gives a shit anyway, they can do what they like as long as I don't have to pay for it. Exterminate them all, no one will notce.

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

So once again you prove how little you know, big deal, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Try reading Collapse by Jared Diamond, or are you gonna tell me he's been at the Kool Aid too?

Oh, a California author. Guess you would believe anything a libbie writes. I glanced thru his "arguments". Just coz he says "overpopulation" you believe it? Do you ever think about or question what press or people write?
Here's why I wouldn't waste my time on his work: Environmental damage destroyed the Anasazi? They were in Utah, Colorado New Mexico and south from there in the fekin 1100-1200s. What, SUVs polluting the atmo? Bladdy hek, I wouldn't waste my time reading a page of this guy's work. Was there a shift in the weather patterns back then? Yes. (I know alot about these people.) Wow! Call Al Gore!
You really are led by a ring in your nose, Robski. You believe everything you read by these phoneys. I can't believe what a dufus you are.

It's a myth that Africa can't sustain and feed its population. That might be true for India, especially as the rising wealth of the middle class causes a change in their diet, but Africa simply is misgoverned. They don't know how to farm, they lack the money to invest and the massive dislocation of white farmers and consequent redistribution of farm land by corrupt politicians isn't helping either.
There are a couple of African countries with very little chance of an agriculture above self-sufficiency, but in general Africa could not only feed itself but become a major agricultural exporter. But a growing population coupled with a declining agricultural industry in some countries without any birth control is of course Bono's wet dream. Food aid and charity concerts for the next decades to come.
Just like Indias population growth feeds up all its economic growth.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

So once again you prove how little you know, big deal, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Try reading Collapse by Jared Diamond, or are you gonna tell me he's been at the Kool Aid too?

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you get hit by a coconut on Koh Samui..?

Though well received by the usual suspects, my suspiscions would run deep regarding the views of Mr. Diamond.

Oh you've read the book then have you?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

So once again you prove how little you know, big deal, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Try reading Collapse by Jared Diamond, or are you gonna tell me he's been at the Kool Aid too?

Oh, a California author. Guess you would believe anything a libbie writes. I glanced thru his "arguments". Just coz he says "overpopulation" you believe it? Do you ever think about or question what press or people write?
Here's why I wouldn't waste my time on his work: Environmental damage destroyed the Anasazi? They were in Utah, Colorado New Mexico and south from there in the fekin 1100-1200s. What, SUVs polluting the atmo? Bladdy hek, I wouldn't waste my time reading a page of this guy's work. Was there a shift in the weather patterns back then? Yes. (I know alot about these people.) Wow! Call Al Gore!
You really are led by a ring in your nose, Robski. You believe everything you read by these phoneys. I can't believe what a dufus you are.

Ditto + whatever moron.

Damn.. I wanted to red you Rob for wasting that space without bothering to argue... but greened you instead.

Originally Posted by plorf

It's a myth that Africa can't sustain and feed its population. That might be true for India, especially as the rising wealth of the middle class causes a change in their diet, but Africa simply is misgoverned. They don't know how to farm, they lack the money to invest and the massive dislocation of white farmers and consequent redistribution of farm land by corrupt politicians isn't helping either.
There are a couple of African countries with very little chance of an agriculture above self-sufficiency, but in general Africa could not only feed itself but become a major agricultural exporter. But a growing population coupled with a declining agricultural industry in some countries without any birth control is of course Bono's wet dream. Food aid and charity concerts for the next decades to come.
Just like Indias population growth feeds up all its economic growth.

So it,s not a myth, and you just gave the reasons. Not a lack of land or water more a lack of knowhow and dreadfull leadership. Bit like Thailand.

^^

Hahaha oh well next time.. if their is one.

I can't be bothered with arguing with Jet anymore.
I've proven my point with her many times but she can't concede a point or agree to disagree, it's just a waste of keystrokes nowadays.

As for Rural Surin well you know he has good days and bad but he can be quite obtuse when he wants to be.

I don't claim any affinity to any politiical beliefs or religion, but some find it convenient to place labels on others, I will read anything to get a varied viewpoint and I will reserve my judgement on it's relevance until finished and wouldn't repeat it as fact unless I have been able verify it's findings with other sources, when one deliberately restricts their pool of information in line with their predudices, that person has already stopped thinking.

Anyway enough of all this, the sun is shining, we've got a heatwave on the way and I've got better things to do.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

The Rwandan genocidal war can be directly linked to overpopulation in the area.

Holy camoly! What kind of Kool-Aid have you and Buttfly been drinking today? I think you could start with the nice Belgians who colonised the country and made the Tutsis superior to the Hutus. Nice way to divide the people, huh? So, the Belgies left and the tribes clashed. The main reason for the 1994 genocide, besides the p*ss poor economy, was the mysterious plane crash that killed the Prez, a Hutu.

That's it...a case of the haves minority against the have nots majority. Straight war at tribal extermination. World didn't give a toss either. No oil involved, no chosen people like Israel, so who cares. Was there 1999 and it was well calm, asked what tribe people were and they all said 'Rwandan'...t'rific' I thought.

^ That is terrific. It reminds me of Tito's Yugoslavia. As much of an a*hole as he was, Serbs and Croats lived together quite peacefully back then.
Poor robski can't understand these things and can only pout that we don't give a toss about his narrow views.