Thread: What kind of Motorcycle do you own.

no mate on girly yellow bikes it should be fine for at least another 15

Originally Posted by Rigger

Anyone tried these metal filters ?
Stainless Steel Cleanable and Reusable Oil Filters for your Motorcycle and ATV
Mine just arrived and looks like it is a real nice bit of kit

Use them on the track bikes is Pattaya, certainly a nice looking bit of kit, dunno how well they work tho.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Now to get the bloody clutch bled. I followed Rigger's advice and now the line is full of air.

Well I guess you didnt do as I said, I have no problems bleeding the clutch on the TL dont know what would be different on that gay yellow thing. I guess some people just have more trouble than others and maybe you should stick to computers

"You don't need to use a piece of pipe. Just wrap a bit of rag around the nipple", you said.

After I got a piece of pipe it all went swimmingly.

What bike are you on tomorrow? I presume Garry has got the wife's bike (if he's allowed out to play)?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

After I got a piece of pipe it all went swimmingly

Thats because it is easier with the pipe and probably best for computer nerds to use a tube , The only way you would of got air in the clutch is if you didnt do what I started to tell you before you cut me off and said yes I understand the principle of it well I guess you dont, probably better if you get the missus to do it for you next time

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

What bike are you on tomorrow? I presume Garry has got the wife's bike (if he's allowed out to play)?

Dont know if garrys coming yet but Tony and Ross are. The wife is driving the car. I off to play poof ball (soccer) Farangs against the local goverment

Originally Posted by Rigger

The wife is driving the car.

Poof!

The Midget says that it's more fun on the bikes and that your missus should have a rethink. Unless of course you're riding that Beull monstrosity then she quite understands and hopes your car has tinted windows.

Missus is on the rag and yes the windows have tint

Farangs won the poof ball 2 to 1

I had a wave 100 and the dealer, when they changed oil said it should be changed more often, and it had been less than 1000 KM since changed, and it would only run 100 KM on the clock so I just ran it hammer down and I guess they will not stand that to long.

Originally Posted by Rigger

Missus is on the rag

So?

Very poor excuse I reckon.

Originally Posted by Bung

Stainless Steel Cleanable and Reusable Oil Filters

can't see a metal filter loose enough to allow a cleaning being near as efficient as paper/fiber.

Originally Posted by Bung

Originally Posted by Rigger Anyone tried these metal filters ? Stainless Steel Cleanable and Reusable Oil Filters for your Motorcycle and ATV Mine just arrived and looks like it is a real nice bit of kit

What size is the element in it, does it say what micron it is? that be the thing if it is small enough to take out the grit.
I cant see a screen being that tight.

Motorcycle Oil Filters & Air Filters

Here ya go , some more blurb from the unqualified to mince over.

here's a new type of filter being marketed, the "laser cut stainless steel filter," which we're told is "good for the life of your vehicle." These filters typically have 35-40 micron holes, which is really not acceptable. They typically have 30-40 square inches of filter material, which is really not acceptable. A paper based element is a 3 dimensional filter - when a particle gets stuck deep in the filter element, oil can still flow around it. The stainless steel elements are 2 dimensional - when a particle gets caught, one of the holes is clogged up.

hmm sounds pretty close to what I said

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

metal filter loose enough to allow a cleaning being near as efficient as paper/fiber.

and then we go to.

To put this into perspective, 25 microns is about 1 thousandth of an inch. In your motor, most parts like pistons, bearings, and bushings are set up with a clearance of 1 thousandth of an inch, so to the moving lubricated parts a 25 micron particle is as big as the oil film, and will scratch both surfaces.

Piston clearances at about 3 - 5 thousands are more common but this wold give a perfectly centered piston a clearance of .0015 - .0025 IF IT EVR RAN CENTERED!
same with mains, cams bearing etc. most of these things run under a load meaning the main bearings on a HD, for example require maximum clearance of .001" thus giving a .0005" actual clearance on either side. Insert shell type bearings run a much larger clearance than rollers. Now the main bearing has a side and down load on it meaning the damn thing is pretty damned near in contact with teh back and bottom of the outer race, which OK we need teh rollers to bear on something so they will rol otherwise we get them skidding along the race and gettin damned hot right fuckin quick! this is how roller bearings work lube doing more cooling. now with all that in mind a 25 micron particle (actuaslly a whole passle of em) will wreak havoc. a 10 micron particle will cause wear but then we aren;t talking about one particle are we? if all 10 micron particles pass thru we've now got a pretty fine lapping compound

I didn't read the whole article it seems to be pretty right on with the exception fo some of these minor errors

Its a bit like K&N filters, they do a wonderful marketing job convincing people their filters does good a job in cleaning as OEM and still deliver 10% more power.
Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.
They may deliver more power but its at the expense of wear, I can't be bothered researching it all again abut BMW conducted a extensive test on K&N and the results would have caused a lot of grief in the K&N marketing department.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

So? Very poor excuse I reckon.

Have you ever seen the blood splatter when a woman rides a hard tail like riggers when she is on the rag?

Every bump they go over they squirt out like tomato sauce bottles.

trying to start your own urban myth? Some one is sure to fall for it. Too bad KW doesn;t post on this thread.

Originally Posted by peterpan

Its a bit like K&N filters, they do a wonderful marketing job convincing people their filters does good a job in cleaning as OEM and still deliver 10% more power.

take your regular filter time two silicon them together run a double length bolt or bolts. Will out flow stock two to one and keep shit clean. kind of tough to do in some configurations but beats teh hell out of K&N. I also like that 10% figure. MAYBE it max RPM when you are nearing the max flow you'll reap some benefits. While we mostly ride using the low to mid range especially her in Thailand.

Got into this with someone the otehr day as we were discussing motor build I pushed for a 9.2:1 ratio, 240 - 260 duration with a somewhat early timing and a moderate .540 lift some mild head work (springs radiusing and some material removal), given that geometry you get a motor that pulls damn near from idle to about 5800 - 6000 for a Hawg? Fuckin perfect street hiway and mountain rider. A stock type element with about 50% more area oughta feed that just fine

Might even get built too

Yup its simple, filter area x porosity, increase one or the other and you have more gas flow but K&N have convinced people that you can halve one of them and still get more flow with the same cleaning and punters go for it.

^ People just like the look and the noise.

My mate Sumo, put a bloody yellow sponge with the green brillo thing on top as the airfilter in his 400cc Ducati

Worked for a while as well.

We had a Jaguar come in one day and the owner had removed the airfilter element and replaced it with steel wool.

He flatly refused to accept any of our explanations.
We ended up pushing the car out onto the street and telling him to fuck off.

My first lesson on filters was when I took the AF out of the ol mans mower and the engine lasted 6 months I was only 10 at the time but when the piston seized in the bore and my ol man stripped it down to find out why his near new mower was fvcked discovered the missing AF, oh dear.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

can't see a metal filter loose enough to allow a cleaning being near as efficient as paper/fiber.

I am going to run it anyway as there are plenty of guys out there running them on Harleys and have over 20,000 miles with there K&P filters and dont have problems.

Originally Posted by peterpan

Yup its simple, filter area x porosity, increase one or the other and you have more gas flow but K&N have convinced people that you can halve one of them and still get more flow with the same cleaning and punters go for it.

All my bikes have K&N and filters and dont have a problem with them, sure I beleive that they do let more particals in but at what real cost, Take my Shadow for example had a K&N in it for 6 years, I live in a dusty place and have been knowen to take it dirt tracking now and then and yet the bike runs fine doesnt use oil so how much real damage will say someone living in a city do ?