Thread: US braces for new WikiLeaks release

Originally Posted by Butterfly

sounds nasty,

were they planning false terrorist attacks against their allies to prop up support on their war on terrorist ghosts ?

Were they going to retaliate and bomb Fransikistan?

I just heard on the news that Obama is wanting to have Julian Assange charged as a spy and enemy combatant....

I found these links on the web

Julian Assange threatened by Pentagon over Wikileaks | People in the News | People | The First Post

Obama Wants Wikileaks’ Assange Charged With Espionage

maybe it open up for ileagal survilianse in denmark and norway and sveden mafr by us and cia

Ha Ha embarrassing or what. You bunch of Saudi arse kissers.

Originally Posted by zygote1

What's the biggie? So what if the US embassy reports back to Washington have embarrassing items in the reports? Does anyone think that other countries don't do the same? The Canadian and EU embassies were sending back daily reports during the last US presidential campaign that detailed how ignorant some of the politicians were, i.e. Palin. I don't think you will see condemnation from most governmets, except the usual gang of losers whining. In fact, I would anticipate a lot of sympathy and fretting as other governments will be worried that they too might be exposed. Do you think the Egyptians will want their arab brothers knowing that they despise them? Do the Italians want the world to know what they think of Albanians or the Spaniards to know the details on how they wish the North African illegal immigrants should be detained? How about the Russian briefing reports on Chechnya or the Chinese reports on how they put down uprisings? Every country has lots to worry about. That's life. Anyone that will be shocked over the "leaks" is a naive twat. The world isn't a nice place. Deal with it.

not that i ever was even near the us embasy in denmark but for them it may concern it maybe is so they inocent cant fly whith any airline in the world

I applaud Wikileaks. Don Chipp (above mentioned) would most likely also applaud Wikileaks.

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

Originally Posted by chitown

I just heard on the news that Obama is wanting to have Julian Assange charged as a spy and enemy combatant....

I found these links on the web

Julian Assange threatened by Pentagon over Wikileaks | People in the News | People | The First Post

Obama Wants Wikileaks’ Assange Charged With Espionage

I think this is fabricated hype for the Wikigeeks site. If they want advertisers, they need hits.

Originally Posted by socal

I applaud Wikileaks. Don Chipp (above mentioned) would most likely also applaud Wikileaks.

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

why dont you arsk the states who have documents there are so secret that no one can se them

Well the Guardian has published the leaks. Nothing that we didn't already know;
- The arabs hate Iran
- Iran has used the Red Crescent as cover for spying
- Many countries are worried about Pakistani nuclear intentions
- There is corruption in Russia
- The Israelis are scared of Iran's nuclear potential
- The arab nations seem to have a lot more in common with Israel when it comes to Hamas and Iran.

You know, these leaks might not be such a bad thing, if they compel folks to be more honest in public. It seems that a great many nations share similar views. The people we think are enemies aren't really enemies. The people we think are enemies are really strategic allies. Go figger.

Originally Posted by socal

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

"social" just explain "VERY BRIEFLY" how someone can "possibly start the cold war all over again" with a website?

"social" don't be overly concerned you're leading the TD Gold Cup pole of idiots, and there's absolutly NO dought that you'll win it for sure, take your tablets AND bed rest pls!

Secret US embassy cables revealed
Major publications release excerpts from thousands of secret US diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks.
Last Modified: 28 Nov 2010 21:31 GMT


Secret US embassy cables revealed - Americas - Al Jazeera English

US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...plomacy-crisis

• More than 250,000 dispatches reveal US foreign strategies
• Diplomats ordered to spy on allies as well as enemies
• Hillary Clinton leads frantic 'damage limitation'


The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership. These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a shift in relations between China and North Korea, high level concerns over Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme, with officials warning that as the country faces economic collapse, government employees could smuggle out enough nuclear material for terrorists to build a bomb.

• Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government, with one cable alleging that vice president Zia Massoud was carrying $52m in cash when he was stopped during a visit to the United Arab Emirates. Massoud denies taking money out of Afghanistan.

• How the hacker attacks which forced Google to quit China in January were orchestrated by a senior member of the Politburo who typed his own name into the global version of the search engine and found articles criticising him personally.

• The extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, which is causing intense US suspicion. Cables detail allegations of "lavish gifts", lucrative energy contracts and the use by Berlusconi of a "shadowy" Russian-speaking Italian go-between.

• Allegations that Russia and its intelligence agencies are using mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations, with one cable reporting that the relationship is so close that the country has become a "virtual mafia state".

•  Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan by US commanders, the Afghan president and local officials in Helmand. The dispatches reveal particular contempt for the failure to impose security around Sangin – the town which has claimed more British lives than any other in the country.

• Inappropriate remarks by a member of the British royal family about a UK law enforcement agency and a foreign country.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...plomacy-crisis

Cables Obtained by WikiLeaks Shine Light Into Secret Diplomatic Channels

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp

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The cables, a huge sampling of the daily traffic between the State Department and some 270 embassies and consulates, amount to a secret chronicle of the United States’ relations with the world in an age of war and terrorism. Among their revelations, to be detailed in The Times in coming days:

¶ A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful, to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.”

¶ Thinking about an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea, should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the United States.

¶ Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in Chinese Muslim detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”

¶ Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)

¶ A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.

¶ Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said.

¶ An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoyed supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he was undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignored his edicts.

¶ Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new” arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the group.

¶ Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”

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continued here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/wo...nted=1&_r=1&hp

Originally Posted by smeden

Originally Posted by socal

I applaud Wikileaks. Don Chipp (above mentioned) would most likely also applaud Wikileaks.

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

why dont you arsk the states who have documents there are so secret that no one can se them

So you really think that there is no good reason for any sovereign country to classify documents ?

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by socal

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

"social" just explain "VERY BRIEFLY" how someone can "possibly start the cold war all over again" with a website?

"social" don't be overly concerned you're leading the TD Gold Cup pole of idiots, and there's absolutly NO dought that you'll win it for sure, take your tablets AND bed rest pls!

I guess you are another clown that doesn't realize that SOME THINGS ARE CLASSIFIED FOR A GOOD REASON.

It's beginning to appear like another load of hyped up BS about nothing. Copies of diplomatic wires with a bit of name calling. Putin is described as being like an "alpha dog" Merkle is like Teflon, Zarko is like "the emperor with no clothes" Real warmongering stuff. No doubt the missiles will be launched soon....

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by socal

why do you socialists applaud wikigeeks for possibly starting the cold war all over again by releasing classified documents on the internet ?

"social" just explain "VERY BRIEFLY" how someone can "possibly start the cold war all over again" with a website?

"social" don't be overly concerned you're leading the TD Gold Cup pole of idiots, and there's absolutly NO dought that you'll win it for sure, take your tablets AND bed rest pls!

I guess you are another clown that doesn't realize that SOME THINGS ARE CLASSIFIED FOR A GOOD REASON.

If you call preventing the US looking bad a good reason, I'd have to say that's a very weak argument.

In reality there isn't really anything so far that's a shocker. The US spy on other countries. Whoop de doo. The entire Arab world hates Iran and knows it's a threat to all of the GCC monarchies. Wow. etc.

So, the state department thinks Russia is a mafia state and Berlusconi is scum, where exactly is the news here?

it's not news, it's simply official. We all knew that already. It's just embarrassing to have documents confirming the rumors.

Sarko has no cloth ? damn, I missed that part

Most seriously for Washington, they also showed the U.S. had ordered a spying operation on diplomats at the United Nations, including British officials, in apparent breach of international law

A little hypocritical in my opinion.

The State Department released a letter from Harold Koh, its top lawyer, to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and his attorney telling them that publication of the documents would be illegal and demanding that they stop it

time to dig up those rape charges,

Around 50% of the leaked documents aren't classified at all.

Just 6 or 7% are classified 'Noforn', no foreigners.

The plain fact is that America has been shown to be two faced and hypocritical. They don't give two fcuks about anyone else.