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    Italy - Why is there buttock stabbing in Rome?

    Why is there buttock stabbing in Rome?


    Manchester United fans are in Rome for the Champions League final. When English teams have visited the Italian capital in recent years there have been a string of fans stabbed in the buttocks by hooligans. But why do they target the backside?
    The police in Rome have been heavily criticised in the past

    It's called the Eternal City by many, but Rome also has the sobriquet "Stab City" among football fans because of the level of knife attacks in the Italian capital.

    There are fears tonight's Champions League final, being held in the city's Olympic Stadium, will be marred by such violence after several knife-related attacks on supporters from a number of English clubs over the last decade.

    What is marked about the attacks is that victims are often stabbed in the buttocks. The practice even has its own slang name in the local Roman dialect - "puncicate". But why is the backside targeted?

    THE ANSWER

    It is a painful, humiliating injury but not likely to be life threatening
    In medieval duels stabbing someone in the buttocks was considered the most skilful move

    According to those who have researched the subject, a stab wound in the buttocks may be chosen as it is seen as not likely to be life-threatening, but is humiliating and painful for the victim.

    Experts believe the cultural tradition may even be linked to medieval duelling where slashing an opponent's buttocks was supposedly considered very skilful.

    "Puncicate" is mainly about hurting rival fans but not killing them, says John Foot, a professor of modern Italian history at University College London and an author on Italian football.

    "They target the buttocks because the victim is not likely to die. These people don't want to kill and be known as murderers, they want to show they can hurt their rivals and get away with it."

    But being stabbed in the backside is still a serious injury, say medical professionals.

    Medieval practice

    "It can damage the main nerves to the leg and cripple someone for life," says Dr Don MacKechnie from the College of Emergency Medicine.

    There have been a string of incidents over the years in which English fans have been stabbed while in Rome to watch their team.

    LITANY OF STABBINGS

    1984: Liverpool fans stabbed by Roma fans in aftermath of victorious European Cup final
    2001: In both February and December Liverpool fans stabbed in buttocks after matches against Roma
    2006: Three Middlesbrough fans stabbed, including one in buttocks
    2007: In April and December matches, several Manchester United fans stabbed in buttocks
    2009: Manchester United fans stabbed in buttocks near ground


    In March this year an Arsenal fan was stabbed on his way to the Olympic stadium. Two years ago 13 Manchester United fans were taken to hospital after a Champions League tie with Roma. Several had been stabbed in the backside.

    The practice has also been linked by some academics to medieval first-blood duels, says football writer Gabriele Marcotti.

    "In the duels the first person to draw blood from their opponent was the winner.

    Because they fought facing each other, drawing blood by stabbing your opponent's buttocks was considered a great skill.

    "But while it's difficult to stab someone in the backside with a sword in that context it's not difficult to do it with a knife from behind, which is what happens these days.

    'Puncicate' is not about skill, whatever those who do it like to think."

    People are quick to point out the stabbings are done by a very small group of extreme supporters, known in Italy as "ultras". Most clubs have such fans, but "puncicate" is almost exclusively done in Rome and by followers of local team Roma, say experts.

    "It is their speciality," says Prof Foot.

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    He says it started to become their trademark back in the 1990s when "ultras" from Italy's other main football clubs agreed to stop using knives in fights after a Genoa supporter was killed. Roma fans continued.

    "The stabbings are now so frequently they are hardly reported in the Italian press," says Prof Foot. "A rival fan is stabbed at nearly every Roma game but it only hits the headlines when foreign fans are attacked at a game like the Champions League final."

    The city's reputation as "Stab City" among football supporters causes great offence among local people and police have been criticised for failing to deal with the problem, he adds.




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    Also if they stab the ring piece they make them incontinent for life.

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    Easy....that side has no defense.

    No guns in Italy, that is why this stuff happens. You also see bars on all the windows and even then break-ins are common. You don't break into a home if there is a strong possibility of a well armed homeowner. You also probably wouldn;t stab someone in the rear, drive like a maniac, or start a pointless bar fight. I lived in Italy for a year and was happy to get out.

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    ^^ Are you sure? Anyone checked with BF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Medieval practice
    I think it pre-dates the medieval period as a common practice, although the use of a knife or sword replaced the penis during this time. All Italians engaged in botty stabbing, untill the Church of Rome outlawed the practice in public, opting for a cloisters and choirboys approach. Since when buttock stabbing in public places has been performed with a sharp instrument rather than a blunt tool.

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    Catholic men and their fascination with butts starts when they are just young lads and attending mass !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    People are quick to point out the stabbings are done by a very small group of extreme supporters, known in Italy as "ultras". Most clubs have such fans, but "puncicate" is almost exclusively done in Rome and by followers of local team Roma, say experts. "It is their speciality," says Prof Foot.
    and by 'glorifying' it with newspaper pieces it will only increase the prevalence of copycats...

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    I think soccer fans that attend games are d*ckheads. English, Italian, and most European fans.

    Better for them to sit and watch in on the telly.

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    Those Ultras are bad bastards.

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    Why do the stab the backside ? Because they can't get pasta waist !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Because they can't get pasta waist !
    3rd hook on the left.

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