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    Hobbits 'are a separate species'

    Hobbits 'are a separate species'


    The Hobbit's foot is in many ways quite primitive

    Scientists have found more evidence that the Indonesian "Hobbit" skeletons belong to a new species of human - and not modern pygmies.

    The 3ft (one metre) tall, 30kg (65lbs) humans roamed the Indonesian island of Flores, perhaps up to 8,000 years ago.

    Since the discovery, researchers have argued vehemently as to the identity of these diminutive people.

    Two papers in the journal Nature now support the idea they were an entirely new species of human.

    The team, which discovered the tiny remains in Liang Bua cave on Flores, contends that the population belongs to the species Homo floresiensis - separate from our own grouping Homo sapiens .

    They argue that the "Hobbits" are descended from a prehistoric species of human - perhaps Homo erectus - which reached island South-East Asia more than a million years ago.

    Over many years, their bodies most likely evolved to be smaller in size, through a natural selection process called island dwarfing, claim the discoverers, and many other scientists.

    However, some researchers argued that this could not account for the Hobbit's chimp-sized brain of almost 400 cubic cm - a third the size of the modern human brain.

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    This was a puzzle, they said, because the individuals seem to have crafted complex stone tools.

    They said the Hobbits were probably part of a group of modern humans with abnormally small brains.

    One team led by William Jungers from Stony Brook University in the US analysed remains of the Hobbit foot.

    They found that, in some ways, it is incredibly human. The big toe is aligned with the others and the joints make it possible to extend the toes as the body's full weight falls on the foot, attributes not found in great apes.

    But in other respects, it is incredibly primitive. It is far longer than its modern human equivalent, and equipped with a very small big toe, long, curved lateral toes, and a weight-bearing structure that resembles that of a chimpanzee.

    So unless the Flores Hobbits became more primitive over time - a rather unlikely scenario - they must have branched off the human line at an even earlier date.

    In another study, Eleanor Weston and Adrian Lister of London's Natural History Museum looked at fossils of several species of ancient hippos. They then compared those found on the island of Madagascar with the mainland ancestors from which they evolved.

    "It could be that H. floresiensis' skull is that of a Homo erectus that has become dwarfed from living on an island, rather than being an abnormal individual or separately-evolved species, as has been suggested," said Dr Weston, a palaeontologist at the museum.

    "Looking at pygmy hippos in Madagascar, which possess exceptionally small brains for their size, suggests that the same could be true for H. floresiensis , and that (it could be) the result of being isolated on the island."




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    From Early 2007


    Hobbit cave digs set to restart

    Researchers had not been able to excavate at the cave

    Archaeologists who found the remains of human "Hobbits" have gained permission to restart excavations at the cave where the specimens were found.

    Indonesian officials have blocked access to the cave since 2005, following a dispute over the bones.

    But Professor Richard "Bert" Roberts, a member of the team that found the specimens, told BBC News the political hurdles had now been overcome.

    The researchers claim that the remains belong to a novel species of human.

    South-East Asia and East Asia is going to yield an awful lot of surprises
    Mike Morwood, UNE

    But some researchers reject this assertion, claiming instead that the remains could belong to a modern human with a combination of small stature and a brain disorder.


    Finding other specimens in the cave, particularly one with an intact skull, is crucial to resolving the debate over whether the Hobbit's classification as a separate species - Homo floresiensis - is valid.

    Political hurdle

    "This year we will back in Liang Bua again, back in the cave where we found the Hobbits," said Professor Roberts, from the University of Wollongong in Australia.
    The "Hobbit" has forced a re-think of human evolution

    "This is good; we've now managed to get over the political hurdles that had been put up. We'll probably be in there towards the middle of the year."


    The Hobbit's discoverers are adamant it is an entirely separate human species that evolved a small size in isolation on its remote Indonesian island home of Flores.

    Skeletal remains were discovered by an Australian-Indonesian research team in Liang Bua, a limestone cave deep in the Flores jungle, in 2003.

    Researchers found one near-complete skeleton, which they named LB1, along with the remains of at least eight other individuals.

    Vertically challenged

    LB1 was an adult female who lived 18,000 years ago, stood just 1m (3ft) tall and possessed a brain size of around 400 cubic cm (24 cu inches) - about the same as that of a chimp.

    Long arms, a sloping chin and other primitive features suggested affinities to ancient human species such as Homo erectus and even earlier ones such as Homo habilis and Australopithecus.

    These observations could imply that humanlike creatures - hominids, or hominins - reached island South-East Asia much earlier than had been thought.


    The find caused a sensation when it was unveiled in 2004, because it suggested human evolution had been much more complicated in South-East Asia than previously imagined. It also showed that another species of human had survived into "modern" times.

    Mike Morwood, director of the excavation, told BBC News the remains at Liang Bua could be the tip of the iceberg: "South-East Asia and East Asia are going to yield an awful lot of surprises and it's going to make a major contribution to our understanding of hominin evolution."

    But not all researchers were happy about this hand grenade being tossed into one of palaeoanthropology's hallowed vestibules.

    Professor Teuku Jacob, based at Gadjah Mada University, in Yogyakarta, Indonesia, contended that the bones of LB1 could have been those of a pygmy person with the condition microcephaly, which is characterised by a small brain.

    Bone damage

    In 2004, Professor Jacob - known as Indonesia's "king of palaeoanthropology" - took the bones away from their repository in Jakarta to his lab in Yogyakarta, 443km (275 miles) away, against the wishes of the researchers who found them.

    They were eventually returned. But the discoverers claimed the bones were extensively damaged in Jacob's lab during attempts to make casts.

    The damage included long, deep cuts marking the lower edge of the Hobbit's jaw on both sides, said to be caused by a knife used to cut away the rubber mould.

    In addition, the chin of a second Hobbit jaw was snapped off and glued back together. Whoever was responsible misaligned the pieces and put them at an incorrect angle.

    The pelvis was smashed, destroying details that reveal body shape, gait and evolutionary history.

    After the accusations surfaced, Professor Jacob denied damaging the remains, telling USA Today that breakages could have occurred when the bones were being transported from Yogyakarta back to Jakarta.

    Excavations at Liang Bua were reportedly blocked because Indonesian government officials would not issue exploration permits for projects that might prove Professor Jacob wrong.

    Momentous discovery

    But the remaining issues now appear to have been smoothed over.
    "It's now a matter of getting everything organised so we can start digging again," said Professor Roberts.

    "You've got to get there in the dry season; in the wet season you can hardly drive to the site and when you are there, there are puddles of water all over the floor - so it's got to be dry to sensibly dig holes."

    Speaking to BBC News before permission was given to restart excavation, Mike Morwood, from the University of New England, Australia, was optimistic about future research into H. floresiensis and the record of human occupation in island South-East Asia.

    "This particular discovery seems to have prompted people to rethink what it is to be human, the relationship between brain size and behaviour, and whether hominin populations have been insulated from environmental factors. This indicates that they haven't.

    "It also raises questions about the colonisation capabilities of early hominids. What are they doing on Flores and what are they almost certainly doing on other islands in South-East Asia."

    It is still not known how hominids travelled by sea between these islands. Building watercraft may have been a skill too advanced for them.

    So natural catastrophes such as tsunamis have been invoked by some researchers to explain their distribution. Hominids could have clung to trees as they were washed out to sea, eventually arriving on the shores of other islands.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6294101.stm

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    Naaaw -- they were just a colony of Battlestar Galactica's colonists that got dumped on Flores 150,000 years ago, and gradually devolved to adapt.

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    18,000 years ago is pretty recent- maybe this is a descendant of Java Man, homo erectus (cue the snickering- Bangkok Man is probably also a form of homo erectus too, right?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    But some researchers reject this assertion, claiming instead that the remains could belong to a modern human with a combination of small stature and a brain disorder.
    There's 70 million of them around here.

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    I hear their descendents are found in Wales.

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    Any news story to try and tempt cmn back

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    This is an intersting find and look forward to following the developments

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    Quote Originally Posted by good2bhappy View Post
    This is an intersting find and look forward to following the developments
    They migrated to the isles from where...??

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    Clearly the religious nuts in Indonesia look at this development with anxiety because it disproves their (and all other monotheistic religions)view of god.

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    One largely complete subfossil skeleton (named LB1, because it was the first specimen found in the Liang Bua cave) and a complete jawbone from a second individual (LB2),[3] dated at 18,000 years old, were discovered in deposits in Liang Bua Cave on Flores in 2003. Parts of seven other individuals (LB3–LB9; the most complete is LB6), all diminutive, have been recovered as well as similarly small stone tools from horizons ranging from 94,000 to 13,000 years ago.[4]

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