Thread: Somalis stone 13-year-old girl to death as 1,000 watch

Originally Posted by chitown

The point is Iraq was not, is not and never will be peaceful.

in which universe timeline ?

Saddam society since the end of conflicts with Iran and Kuwait was very peaceful, that's Facts, not the Faux News garbage you seem to swallow with delight,

btw, Chitown, what's your education level ?

"Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

Don,t blame religion, it,s the silly fuckers who interpet it to suit there own agenda, same as the fuckwits who burn witches in UK some years ago, oh yes they were christian !!

Originally Posted by Butterfly

btw, Chitown, what's your education level ?

Educated enough to know that a piece of paper is exactly what it is ....a piece of paper that does not add to or equate one's wisdom.

Originally Posted by chitown

Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis.

sounds like Americans are keeping score with him, and beating the master to it,

Originally Posted by chitown

Educated enough

I highly doubt that, you seem to be too gullible to right wing fascist propaganda, which is a sure sign of lower education. A bit like those Muslims extremists. Maybe that's why you can see things about them that we can't, same education level, and same mentality.

what could have been an educated discussion has turned into yet another shitfest!
Boring!

Most folks are terribly ignorant of their cultures's history or historical content in general. Euro/Westerners are just as easy to deny their long long history of nasties as anyone else might be. We always insist to find ourselves in this light...benign and benevolent. This is not how it is. But using "our" broad cultures as an example or standard for what civilized might be, is illusional. Understand your true history, because in a round about manner, it reflects your truer character.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Originally Posted by Nawty

Muslims and their beliefs....pillars of society.

Just as well it's the fastest growing religion on Earth eh.

Second largest religion in the UK.

8.5% of londoners are muslim.

8.5%, huh? That quite a substantial percentage. And in today's London, I'm sure they're all considered perspective terrorists. I'd be curious to wonder what the percentage of Muslims is in Paris.

^^ good point, what should the Muslim be different ? we are as brutal as they are, we just express it differently,

We don't see the same outrage when 13yr old girls are being carpet bomb by those high tech drones,

Dying from a stone flung by the hand of a fanatic is the same as dying from a bomb released by the finger of the indoctrinated.

you end up dead.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

what could have been an educated discussion

it's never going to be an educated discussion when there is a brutal murder involved,

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

what could have been an educated discussion has turned into yet another shitfest!
Boring!

Spot-on!!! Doesn't take much to ignite a "whose the real good guys and whom are the real bad guys" mentality. Cultural superiority vs. cultural inferiority. Superlatives and comparatives. Nationalism. Occidental vs. Oriental.....high emotions dwell.

murder is an unlawful killing.
The word you are looking for is execution

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

murder is an unlawful killing.
The word you are looking for is execution

...but murder via war is consider OK. One can't allow concepts of legalities to cross into such models. Premeditated "killing" and "death", be it murder; extermination; execution; suicide; fraticide; genocide; butchery, etc, etc. If this activities are perpetuated and blessed by the state in times of war. Well FOK, that's perfectly acceptable and understood, huh? Today....there is this fabricated ideals of "rules" in warfare. Who made this shite up? Dead is dead. Murder is murder.

^ exactly

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

murder is an unlawful killing.

I am sure Hitler made sure that the mass murders he initiated were all perfectly legal,

War is nothing more than the legalization of murder, even illegal wars like Iraq

Originally Posted by Texpat

What can you say?

Dunno ... you could say this

Originally Posted by Texpat

Generally, if your life is good or bad it's mostly based on the decisions you make. If your life sucks -- make better decisions. Quit looking for scapegoats.

but then again , the poor girl probably didn't think that her choice would cause her to be stoned to death - but she is not looking for anything now.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Most folks are terribly ignorant of their cultures's history or historical content in general. Euro/Westerners are just as easy to deny their long long history of nasties as anyone else might be.

What a load of shit.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Most folks are terribly ignorant of their cultures's history or historical content in general. Euro/Westerners are just as easy to deny their long long history of nasties as anyone else might be.

What a load of shit.

It's only a load of shit if your not knowledgable or connected with such items. Certainly history in a real and true context. Chances are, if you lead a life of denial and are highly threatened by such truths, you'll create an apologist stance any which way you can. I might find someone that is unaware of reality to be a great load....I can almost guarantee that you could never refute any historical truths I could throw of you. Chances are, your historical perspectives are principally Eurocentric manufactured. Have a good day. Peace to you.

Originally Posted by chitown

All the more reason to exterminate these barbarians.

Do you mean just the bad ones or do you mean to exterminate them all including innocent kids, like this poor girl?

And again, yet another reason to abandon all organized religions and cults. Maybe even the disorganized ones too.

I read somewhere else that the 13 year old girl was buried up to her neck so basically just her head sticking out the ground then rocks thrown at her head till she was dead.

^^^Yeah...lets start the 'fcuk the environment' religion.....oh wait, you have already

I love it.

Eighty Muzzies kill a 13-year-old girl in a Somalia stadium where 1,000 spectators have gathered -- and who is vilified by half the TD posters on this thread?

America.

Fucking classic.





BTW, B-1 bombers don't carpet bomb, assmunch, B-52s do.

Child of 13 stoned to death in Somalia
31 October 2008

A girl stoned to death in Somalia this week was 13 years old, not 23, contrary to earlier news reports. She had been accused of adultery in breach of Islamic law.

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was killed on Monday 27 October, by a group of 50 men in a stadium in the southern port of Kismayu, in front of around 1,000 spectators. Somali journalists who had reported she was 23 have told Amnesty International that they judged her age by her physical appearance.

Inside the stadium, militia members opened fire when some of the witnesses to the killing attempted to save her life, and shot dead a boy who was a bystander. An al-Shabab spokeperson was later reported to have apologized for the death of the child, and said the militia member would be punished.

At one point during the stoning, Amnesty International has been told by numerous eyewitnesses that nurses were instructed to check whether Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was still alive when buried in the ground. They removed her from the ground, declared that she was, and she was replaced in the hole where she had been buried for the stoning to continue.

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was accused of adultery, but sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by three men, and had attempted to report this rape to the al-Shabab militia who control Kismayo. It was this act that resulted in her being accused of adultery and detained. None of men she accused of rape were arrested.

She was detained by militia of the Kismayo authorities, a coalition of Al-shabab and clan militias. During this time, she was reportedly extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable.

Amnesty International has campaigned to end the use of the punishment of stoning, calling it gruesome and horrific. This killing of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow demonstrates the cruelty and the inherent discrimination against women of this punishment.


Somalia: Girl stoned was a child of 13
31 October 2008

Contrary to earlier news reports, the girl stoned to death in Somalia this week was 13, not 23, Amnesty International can reveal.

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was killed on Monday, 27 October, by a group of 50 men who stoned her to death in a stadium in the southern port of Kismayu, in front of around 1,000 spectators.

Some of the Somali journalists who had reported she was 23 have told Amnesty International that this age was based upon a judgement of her age from her physical appearance.

She was accused of adultery in breach of Islamic law but, her father and other sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by three men, and had attempted to report this rape to the al-Shabab militia who control Kismayo, and it was this act that resulted in her being accused of adultery and detained. None of men she accused of rape were arrested.

“This was not justice, nor was it an execution. This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo,” said David Copeman, Amnesty International's Somalia Campaigner.

“This killing is yet another human rights abuse committed by the combatants to the conflict in Somalia, and again demonstrates the importance of international action to investigate and document such abuses, through an International Commission of Inquiry.”


Amnesty International has learnt that:

• Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was reported as being 23, based upon a judgement on her physical appearance, according to one of the journalists who had reported the stoning. Her actual age was confirmed to Amnesty International by other sources, including her father.
• Her father said she had only travelled to Kismayo from Hagardeer refugee camp in north eastern Kenya three months earlier.
• She was detained by militia of the Kismayo authorities, a coalition of Al-shabab and clan militias. During this time, she was reportedly extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable.
• A truckload of stones was brought into the stadium to be used in the stoning.
• At one point during the stoning, Amnesty International has been told by numerous eyewitnesses that nurses were instructed to check whether Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was still alive when buried in the ground. They removed her from the ground, declared that she was, and she was replaced in the hole where she had been buried for the stoning to continue.
• An individual calling himself Sheik Hayakalah, was quoted on Radio Shabelle saying:``The evidence came from her side and she officially confirmed her guilt, while she told us that she is happy with the punishment under Islamic law.'' In contradiction to this claim, a number of eye witnesses have told Amnesty International she struggled with her captors and had to be forcibly carried into the stadium.
• Inside the stadium, militia members opened fire when some of the witnesses to the killing attempted to save her life, and shot dead a boy who was a bystander. An al-Shabab spokeperson was later reported to have apologized for the death of the child, and said the milita member would be punished.

Background


Amnesty International has campaigned to end the use of the punishment of stoning, calling it gruesome and horrific. This killing of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow demonstrates the cruelty and the inherent discrimination against women of this punishment.

The reports on this killing should be understood within the climate of fear that armed insurgent groups such as al-Shabab have created within the areas they control in Somalia. As Amnesty International has documented previously, government officials, journalists and human rights defenders face death threats and killing if they are perceived to have spoken against al-Shabab, who have waged a campaign of intimidation against the Somali people through such killings.

Since the death, a number of individuals have told Amnesty International they have fled from Kismayo out of fear of suffering a similar fate to Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow.

amnesty.org