Thread: Russia offered cash for British and American soldiers to be killed in Afghanistan

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Putin's a nice fella, isn't he?

Who knows that we didn't do the same during the Russian Afghan war?

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Who knows that we didn't do the same during the Russian Afghan war?

Wouldn't surprise me if we did, but it's 2020 not 1979.

The Cold War is over for most (please no names here ).

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Who knows that we didn't do the same during the Russian Afghan war?

I don't reckon the US offered a bounty for Russian scalps, but the implicit aim of supplying arms and training to our Afghan mates was to kill Russians.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Who knows that we didn't do the same during the Russian Afghan war?

Well I'm not sure Britain did, but the US certainly armed the mujadiheen, and Russia's failure was a major contributory factor in the breakup of the USSR.

And we know Putin is still sore about that.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

The Cold War is over for most

Would Sergei Skripal agree?

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

Would Sergei Skripal agree?

Ask our resident Commie stooge(s).

What goes around comes around, e'hh?

Originally Posted by hallelujah

but it's 2020 not 1979.

Yes but African Americans think it is still 1879

There they go again: NYT serves up spy fantasy about Russian ‘bounties’ on US troops in Afghanistan

Brace yourselves for another breathless Russia bombshell: The New York Times says US spies think Moscow may have offered Taliban bounty money to kill US troops in Afghanistan and Trump was told but did nothing about it! Impeach!

“American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan,” begins the story, published on Friday afternoon, and citing “officials briefed on the matter.”

This “intelligence finding” was briefed to President Donald Trump in late March, but the White House “has yet to authorize” any of the proposed responses, according to the Times.

Frank Figliuzzi
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Breaking: Putin has been trying to kill US troops, and Trump knows it: Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says - The New York Times #PutinsPuppet Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says - The New York Times …

American troops in Afghanistan have been the target of some Taliban operations backed by Russia, intelligence officials found.
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says
The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
nytimes.com

Within minutes, a former FBI official (now working at NBC) was declaring Trump “Putin’s puppet,” while Congressman Ted Lieu (D-California) said the lack of response “suggests [Trump] may be beholden to Putin.”

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If true this is outrageous conduct by Russia. Lack of a response by @realDonaldTrump suggests he may be beholden to Putin. @POTUS is putting US troops’ lives at risk by doing nothing. Having served on active duty, I find this behavior by our Commander in Chief to be unacceptable. https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/...08189006589952 …

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Holy cow. “The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said...the White House has yet to authorize any” response. Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says - The New York Times …

The story itself – hidden behind the Times’s paywall, of course, so the commoners not subscribed to their unmatched wisdom can only go on the clickbaity headline – is that the unnamed US intelligence officials “concluded” that a Russian unit “linked to” a massive conspiracy against the West secretly offered money to the Taliban, and “Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected” some of it at some point, maybe.

This assessment is “said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals,” who are totally trustworthy and would not at all ever say anything to try and avoid torture in Afghan prisons, globally known as bastions of human rights and democracy.

You’re not supposed to notice all the qualifiers and weasel words, however, but focus on the razzle-dazzle “facts” such as the entirely baseless claim that Russia is conducting a “so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.” This assertion, by the way, is mentioned in passing as an established and unquestionable fact, a favorite tactic of propaganda-peddlers anywhere.

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The US intel claim that Moscow waged a covert operation to elect Trump & "sow chaos" laid the basis for a fear-mongering campaign against Russia that very few liberals are skeptical of. Every claim, like this one, is now taken on faith: Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says - The New York Times …

American troops in Afghanistan have been the target of some Taliban operations backed by Russia, intelligence officials found.
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says
The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
nytimes.com

But wait, there’s more. The anonymous officials said the spies had “assessed” the operation to be the work of “Unit 29155” of the “GRU,” which is “linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury” – the infamous Skripal incident that the UK “highly likely” declared the work of Russia and then treated that assertion as fact. Supposedly, there is “uncertainty” among US spies whether this is a rogue operation or one authorized from the very top of the Kremlin.

If you can’t trust anonymous intelligence officials, after all, who can you trust? It’s not as if the US “intelligence community” had accused Russia of “hacking our democracy” based on a dodgy dossier written by a British spy and paid for by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, in order to get the FBI to spy on President Donald Trump’s campaign before and after the 2016 election, right? All based on “assessments” and beliefs, no less! We should totally trust them when they talk about rogue spy operations – in Russia, obviously, what did you think I was suggesting?

Besides, it’s not as if the New York Times – that bastion of truth-telling that earned numerous Pulitzers for ‘Russiagate’ coverage – could ever print something that wasn’t thoroughly vetted and properly sourced, right? I mean, the story has four – four – bylines, and the newsroom did not revolt the way they had over the recent op-ed by Senator Tom Cotton, so it must be unimpeachably true!

Buried deep inside the story is the admission that the Taliban “have not attacked American positions” since February, after the US signed an agreement with the militants to withdraw from Afghanistan. That, by the way, was greeted with wailing and gnashing of the teeth by the US political establishment – including the Times – which has been committed to having other people fight and die in Afghanistan forever in the name of democracy, human rights or... something. Clearly, Trump is only pulling out of there not because he disapproves of Americans dying in endless foreign wars but because of Russia!

By all means, go ahead and take at face value the evidence-free assertions of a newspaper whose mendacious 1619 Project is in great part responsible for setting US race relations on fire, and the country with them – and sourced to anonymous spies who have been consistently and terrifyingly wrong on just about everything. Enough of you have done it enough of the time so far, and look how well it has worked out!

There they go again: NYT serves up spy fantasy about Russian ‘bounties’ on US troops in Afghanistan — RT Op-ed

Originally Posted by Klondyke

There they go again: NYT serves up spy fantasy about Russian ‘bounties’ on US troops in Afghanistan

Brace yourselves for another breathless Russia bombshell: The New York Times says US spies think Moscow may have offered Taliban bounty money to kill US troops in Afghanistan and Trump was told but did nothing about it! Impeach!

“American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan,” begins the story, published on Friday afternoon, and citing “officials briefed on the matter.”

This “intelligence finding” was briefed to President Donald Trump in late March, but the White House “has yet to authorize” any of the proposed responses, according to the Times.






Within minutes, a former FBI official (now working at NBC) was declaring Trump “Putin’s puppet,” while Congressman Ted Lieu (D-California) said the lack of response “suggests [Trump] may be beholden to Putin.”




The story itself – hidden behind the Times’s paywall, of course, so the commoners not subscribed to their unmatched wisdom can only go on the clickbaity headline – is that the unnamed US intelligence officials “concluded” that a Russian unit “linked to” a massive conspiracy against the West secretly offered money to the Taliban, and “Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected” some of it at some point, maybe.

This assessment is “said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals,” who are totally trustworthy and would not at all ever say anything to try and avoid torture in Afghan prisons, globally known as bastions of human rights and democracy.

You’re not supposed to notice all the qualifiers and weasel words, however, but focus on the razzle-dazzle “facts” such as the entirely baseless claim that Russia is conducting a “so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.” This assertion, by the way, is mentioned in passing as an established and unquestionable fact, a favorite tactic of propaganda-peddlers anywhere.




But wait, there’s more. The anonymous officials said the spies had “assessed” the operation to be the work of “Unit 29155” of the “GRU,” which is “linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury” – the infamous Skripal incident that the UK “highly likely” declared the work of Russia and then treated that assertion as fact. Supposedly, there is “uncertainty” among US spies whether this is a rogue operation or one authorized from the very top of the Kremlin.

If you can’t trust anonymous intelligence officials, after all, who can you trust? It’s not as if the US “intelligence community” had accused Russia of “hacking our democracy” based on a dodgy dossier written by a British spy and paid for by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, in order to get the FBI to spy on President Donald Trump’s campaign before and after the 2016 election, right? All based on “assessments” and beliefs, no less! We should totally trust them when they talk about rogue spy operations – in Russia, obviously, what did you think I was suggesting?

Besides, it’s not as if the New York Times – that bastion of truth-telling that earned numerous Pulitzers for ‘Russiagate’ coverage – could ever print something that wasn’t thoroughly vetted and properly sourced, right? I mean, the story has four – four – bylines, and the newsroom did not revolt the way they had over the recent op-ed by Senator Tom Cotton, so it must be unimpeachably true!

Buried deep inside the story is the admission that the Taliban “have not attacked American positions” since February, after the US signed an agreement with the militants to withdraw from Afghanistan. That, by the way, was greeted with wailing and gnashing of the teeth by the US political establishment – including the Times – which has been committed to having other people fight and die in Afghanistan forever in the name of democracy, human rights or... something. Clearly, Trump is only pulling out of there not because he disapproves of Americans dying in endless foreign wars but because of Russia!

By all means, go ahead and take at face value the evidence-free assertions of a newspaper whose mendacious 1619 Project is in great part responsible for setting US race relations on fire, and the country with them – and sourced to anonymous spies who have been consistently and terrifyingly wrong on just about everything. Enough of you have done it enough of the time so far, and look how well it has worked out!

There they go again: NYT serves up spy fantasy about Russian ‘bounties’ on US troops in Afghanistan — RT Op-ed

That story's all over the place you plank. Not some NYT only conspiracy.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

RT?



I must confess that when I posted the original, I was really looking forward to you come running with your Pravda links.

You're so funny and you don't even realise it.

Everybody is free to read what he believes is true (Pravda in Rissian language) and what are lies. Mostly the lies are easily to recognize that's like we recognize what is 1+1 = 3...

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The New York Times has been the subject of criticism from a variety of sources. Criticism aimed at the newspaper has been in response to individual controversial reporters, as well as alleged liberal political bias.[1]

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Contents
1 A Test of the News on the Russian Revolution 1917-1920
2 Los Alamos investigation
3 1619 Project
4 Anthrax attacks
5 Jayson Blair affair
6 Judith Miller
6.1 Second Iraq War
6.2 Valerie Plame affair
7 CampusJ
8 National Security Agency revelations delayed
9 Terrorist Finance Tracking Program
10 Iran
11 MoveOn.org ad controversy
12 Corporate-influence concerns
13 Duke University lacrosse case reporting
14 John McCain-lobbyist article criticism
15 Alessandra Stanley errors
16 Story about fathers
17 China
18 India
19 Yorkshire
20 Publishing leaked photos from the Manchester bombing
21 Abu Huzaifa al-Kanadi
22 Accusation of homophobia
23 Hiring of Sarah Jeong
24 Accusation of anti-Chinese bias
25 Anti-Semitic cartoons
26 Anti-Semitic political editor
27 See also
28 References
29 External links

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Originally Posted by Klondyke

Everybody is free to read what he believes is true (Pravda in Rissian language) and what are lies. Mostly the lies are easily to recognize that's like we recognize what is 1+1 = 3...

The New York Times controversies
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The New York Times has been the subject of criticism from a variety of sources. Criticism aimed at the newspaper has been in response to individual controversial reporters, as well as alleged liberal political bias.[1]

The New York Times used to have a public editor who acted as an ombudsman and "investigates matters of journalistic integrity".[2] The sixth and last Times public editor was Liz Spayd, who contributed her last piece in June 2017.[3]


Contents
1 A Test of the News on the Russian Revolution 1917-1920
2 Los Alamos investigation
3 1619 Project
4 Anthrax attacks
5 Jayson Blair affair
6 Judith Miller
6.1 Second Iraq War
6.2 Valerie Plame affair
7 CampusJ
8 National Security Agency revelations delayed
9 Terrorist Finance Tracking Program
10 Iran
11 MoveOn.org ad controversy
12 Corporate-influence concerns
13 Duke University lacrosse case reporting
14 John McCain-lobbyist article criticism
15 Alessandra Stanley errors
16 Story about fathers
17 China
18 India
19 Yorkshire
20 Publishing leaked photos from the Manchester bombing
21 Abu Huzaifa al-Kanadi
22 Accusation of homophobia
23 Hiring of Sarah Jeong
24 Accusation of anti-Chinese bias
25 Anti-Semitic cartoons
26 Anti-Semitic political editor
27 See also
28 References
29 External links

Read more
The New York Times controversies - Wikipedia

Ok, Vlad.

TRE45ON

Originally Posted by raycarey

TRE45ON

Nice . . .

The orange afterbirth hasn't commented yet . . . but then who really cares. How many Russians has the US killed in Syria (by accident . . . ) and no response by Putin, because he's shit-scared of US reprisals.

Originally Posted by sabang

What goes around comes around, e'hh?

Yup

Originally Posted by panama hat

Nice

i can't take credit for it....but yeah, it's great.

Originally Posted by panama hat

The orange afterbirth hasn't commented yet

he'll have no choice to say something eventually. he's probably putting together some sort of lie right now.

btw, the white house is claiming the NYT story is wrong and that he was never told about it.....i'd wager it was in the PDB multiple times, but he lazy fuck never reads it.

Trump's gonna love this.

Did the Americans forget about.

Operation Cyclone

Originally Posted by Chico

Did the Americans forget about.

Operation Cyclone

They probably never heard of it.

It was here already 3 years ago... (Russiagate is always good to make use of, Weapons of Mass Distraction...)

US claims that Russia is arming Taliban are smokescreen for own mistakes in Afghanistan - Moscow
29 Sep, 2017 12:55 / Updated 2 years ago

The US accusations that Russia is supplying arms to the Taliban terror group are aimed at diverting attention from blunders which the Americans in Afghanistan made themselves, Russia’s Foreign ministry said.

“The US generals continue the vicious practice of keeping afloat the issue of mythical Russian assistance to the militants from the Taliban movement,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement, adding that the American accusations “are not backed with any proof at all.”

“This gives the clear impression that the US attempts to slander Russia in the Afghan context are being undertaken in order to divert the attention of the international community away from its own numerous mistakes, committed during the 16-year stay in Afghanistan,” the Ministry’s statement reads.

Moscow’s comments come after US Defense Secretary, James Mattis, again raised the issue during his trip to Kabul earlier this week, warning Russia against supplying arms to the Taliban.

The ministry underlined that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who was present at Mattis’s press-conference in the Afghan capital, “had already stated publicly that the block has no evidence of any assistance from Moscow to the Taliban movement.”

Russia has labeled the accusations by Mattis “inappropriate,” saying the Americans themselves have a lot to clarify regarding their alleged cooperation with militants in Afghanistan.

“At the same time, our questions regarding the flights of ‘unidentified’ aircraft in the US- and NATO-controlled airspace of Afghanistan in the interests of Islamic State [IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL] and other militant groupings remain unanswered,” the statement read.

Accusations that Russia might be arming the Taliban first surfaced in spring, voiced by several American generals, including the commander of alliance forces in Europe, Curtis Scaparrotti, and head of US troops in Afghanistan, John W. Nicholson Jr.

In July, CNN released videos of Taliban factions in various parts of Afghanistan claiming to be in possession of weapons that they said originated from Russian government sources.

However, the US broadcaster acknowledged that “the videos don't provide incontrovertible proof” that Moscow has been dealing with the Taliban.

Moscow has repeatedly denied unsubstantiated US claims, with Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova saying earlier that it was nothing but a deliberate “disinformation campaign.”

US claims that Russia is arming Taliban are smokescreen for own mistakes in Afghanistan - Moscow — RT World News

Originally Posted by Klondyke

It was here already 3 years ago... (Russiagate is always good to make use of, Weapons of Mass Distraction...)

US claims that Russia is arming Taliban are smokescreen for own mistakes in Afghanistan - Moscow
29 Sep, 2017 12:55 / Updated 2 years ago

The US accusations that Russia is supplying arms to the Taliban terror group are aimed at diverting attention from blunders which the Americans in Afghanistan made themselves, Russia’s Foreign ministry said.

“The US generals continue the vicious practice of keeping afloat the issue of mythical Russian assistance to the militants from the Taliban movement,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement, adding that the American accusations “are not backed with any proof at all.”

“This gives the clear impression that the US attempts to slander Russia in the Afghan context are being undertaken in order to divert the attention of the international community away from its own numerous mistakes, committed during the 16-year stay in Afghanistan,” the Ministry’s statement reads.

Moscow’s comments come after US Defense Secretary, James Mattis, again raised the issue during his trip to Kabul earlier this week, warning Russia against supplying arms to the Taliban.

The ministry underlined that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who was present at Mattis’s press-conference in the Afghan capital, “had already stated publicly that the block has no evidence of any assistance from Moscow to the Taliban movement.”

Russia has labeled the accusations by Mattis “inappropriate,” saying the Americans themselves have a lot to clarify regarding their alleged cooperation with militants in Afghanistan.

“At the same time, our questions regarding the flights of ‘unidentified’ aircraft in the US- and NATO-controlled airspace of Afghanistan in the interests of Islamic State [IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL] and other militant groupings remain unanswered,” the statement read.

Accusations that Russia might be arming the Taliban first surfaced in spring, voiced by several American generals, including the commander of alliance forces in Europe, Curtis Scaparrotti, and head of US troops in Afghanistan, John W. Nicholson Jr.

In July, CNN released videos of Taliban factions in various parts of Afghanistan claiming to be in possession of weapons that they said originated from Russian government sources.

However, the US broadcaster acknowledged that “the videos don't provide incontrovertible proof” that Moscow has been dealing with the Taliban.

Moscow has repeatedly denied unsubstantiated US claims, with Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova saying earlier that it was nothing but a deliberate “disinformation campaign.”

US claims that Russia is arming Taliban are smokescreen for own mistakes in Afghanistan - Moscow — RT World News

Well of course RT is going to say that.

I read today those Lincoln project ads infuriate him. The put them on fox just when they know he'll be watching.
I'm surprised Fox accepts them.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by Chico
Did the Americans forget about.

Operation Cyclone
They probably never heard of it.

It hadn't been trumpeted to them by "recognized" MSM, so it hasn't happened...