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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Didn't the Tours have widespread public support ?
    I wouldn’t say widespread no. You’re talking rugby supporters who are a minority whatever way it’s cut.

    See Chico’s posts, he seems to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Thanks for backing up my point Chico.
    He's upset at himself for that now

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Since you're analysing language here - how come you give him a free pass?
    Because he makes his position quite clear, I was hoping David wouldn't be part of that group


    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    The pictures of people with chopped off arms, shocked me as a kid
    Yes . . . in history class. Considering it was actually considered his own land, not a colony

    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Maybe you were sick that day, or could be that it wasn't an issue in Aus. ( you are aussie, right ?)
    Aussie history in school is just Brit history and all the anzac crap . . . not even Aboriginal history

    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Do not ignore or forget Leopold

    Make his grave into a urinal

    Would please me to shower that evil fuck
    Absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    You’re talking rugby supporters who are a minority whatever way it’s cut.
    Ha! Caught you out here 'Robinson'!!! Not in Kiwiland they're not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Didn't the Tours have widespread public support ?
    Yes it did and the Prime minister at the time let the tour go on, because of the Gleneagles agreement.

    Peter Hain had the same problem in the UK,when he tried to get the springboks tour banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panama hat
    Ha! Caught you out here 'Robinson'!!! Not in Kiwiland they're not!
    Defo are!

    It’s the national sport and all but realistically it’s only a small yet vocal minority.

    There are only 150,000 registered players which is less than even Aust has (though that’s a per capita thing obviously)

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    You want to argue 'not true at all'
    Early eighties wasn't it?

    Even in the UK and with no interest in Rugby (or keeping people oppressed ) I was aware of huge and frequent demonstrations in NZ against the tour.

    Admittedly you might have been observing events in NZ in the early eighties more closely where you were, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    See Chico’s posts, he seems to get it
    Remind me to red Chico
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Ha! Caught you out here 'Robinson'!!! Not in Kiwiland they're not!
    He is doing the 'Rope a Dope'

    Why was it that the African countries boycotted the 1976 Olympics ?

    NZ racisme ?

    Or was it to give John Walker a shot at the 1500 meter without competition ?


    David has a lot of reading up to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Defo are!

    It’s the national sport and all but realistically it’s only a small yet vocal minority.

    There are only 150,000 registered players which is less than even Aust has (though that’s a per capita thing obviously)
    Were the stadions sold out ?

    If so I rest my case

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    David has a lot of reading up to do
    Still, he appears to have been a Maths/Physics major while still in short trousers.

    Some things probably have to be sacrificed for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Were the stadions sold out ?

    If so I rest my case
    Stadiums in NZ at that time probably held 30-40,000 at a guess.

    If that’s your representative sample for 4.5m people then you don’t have much of a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Even in the UK and with no interest in Rugby (or keeping people oppressed ) I was aware of huge and frequent demonstrations in NZ against the tour.

    Admittedly you might have been observing events in NZ in the early eighties more closely where you were, though.

    In Hamilton the protesters occupying the pitch had chanted, ‘The whole world is watching’. The same applied to New Zealand as a nation. Some believed the tour was an opportunity to address the issue of racism in New Zealand while showing solidarity with the oppressed black majority in South Africa.

    The anti-apartheid movement in South Africa was buoyed by events in New Zealand. Nelson Mandela recalled that when he was in his prison cell on Robben Island and heard that the game in Hamilton had been cancelled, it was as ‘if the sun had come out’.

    Some back home in New Zealand maintained that how South Africans ran their country was none of our business and criticised the anti-tour movement for being run by ‘perennial protesters’ and ‘rent-a-mob’ demonstrators interested only in fighting the police. These people tried to mask, or at least minimise, the long-term impact of the tour and the questions it posed for New Zealand society.

    The whole world was watching

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    NZ racisme ?
    And this... there is undoubtedly racism in NZ to an unacceptable level but if you’re trying to portray NZ as an inherently racist country because of a misguided rugby tour then you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    Did you know that the All Blacks were idolized by Blacks and Colored people in SA at the time because they included players of color. The NZRU was wrong in a lot of their actions regarding SA rugby but it wasn’t racially motivated in the slightest.

    Maybe Dave’s not the only one with some required reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Maybe Dave’s not the only one with some required reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The NZRU was wrong in a lot of their actions regarding SA rugby but it wasn’t racially motivated in the slightest.
    So what was it ?

    Money before politics ?

    Sport before decency ?


    Don't take it personally

    I have heckled Carl Rackeman for being a rebel !

    (was drunk)


    Just this:
    not true at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    So what was it ?

    Money before politics ?

    Sport before decency ?
    Probably a bit of both I'd say though more the latter. Some naivety from the NZRU in underestimating the breadth and depth of feeling also.

    I do remember there were also the notions floated that sports should be separate from politics and that actually exposing SA to a multi-cultural / racial society would somehow benefit -- both were pretty convenient excuses really I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Just this:
    I stand by that though, your initial comment that "At the time when S Africa was boycotted by most of the world, Aus and NZ, still couldn't see the problem" just isn't correct.

    The fact there was massive social upheaval in NZ over it shows that.

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    Oi you lot!

    I didn't reply at the time because I thought it might been taken out of context but ...

    When the Springboks street protests were on I asked my Dad if I could join then because I felt strongly on the issue, the racial inequality in SA as I perceived it back then. (Dad and I often went to the Footy, but we watched League, not Union)

    He said emphatically, NO, which was probably a good thing at the time.


    One of my School mate's Dad was a Cop.

    We discussed the protests and asked if his Dad was involved?

    Yep, he's off today to Dirty his jack boots (think Doc Martins) on the irresponsible groins of young teenagers.


    That quote, to this day, stays with me.


    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I do remember there were also the notions floated that sports should be separate from politics and that actually exposing SA to a multi-cultural / racial society would somehow benefit -- both were pretty convenient excuses really I think.
    It's the usual excuse, and then again. Where exactly do we draw the line ?

    In Qatar scores of underpaid workers dies building their infrastructure and stadions. Scandalous

    Olympics in Beijing, South Korea wasn't a pretty place in 88, Football being outsourced to Saudi etc etc


    And it is about the money


    This was good:

    Some hypocrazy there too, but was part of my "awokening"

    Read, David

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    Finally, a sensitive, new age statue reflecting the values of the Woke generation. That one can stay put.

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    No matter what statue is on public display, someone will be offended.
    Take em all down and put in museums. That way folks can go into museum they choose to study, learn about the history they are interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Finally, a sensitive, new age statue reflecting the values of the Woke generation. That one can stay put.
    It's kinda bemusing just how much you are determined to be an utter dick about all of this.

    Have you at least educated and corrected yourself on the subject of the OP that got your panties so twisted to begin with or no interest in anything beyond being a triggered, entitled, Boomer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    The pictures of people with chopped off arms, shocked me as a kid

    Maybe you were sick that day, or could be that it wasn't an issue in Aus. ( you are aussie, right ?)

    At the time when S Africa was boycotted by most of the world, Aus and NZ, still couldn't see the problem.


    Do not ignore or forget Leopold

    Make his grave into a urinal

    Would please me to shower that evil fuck
    His bloodline and descendants are still doing pretty well.. "Saxe-Coburg / Gotha". Changed to "Windsor" during the WW1.


    The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (/ˌsæks ˌkoʊbɜːrɡ ... ˈɡoʊθə, -tə/;[1] German: Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha) is a German dynasty that ruled Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, one of the Ernestine duchies.
    Founded by Ernest Anton, the sixth duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, it is a cadet branch of the Saxon House of Wettin. Agnatic branches currently reign in Belgium—the descendants of Leopold I—and in the United Kingdom—the descendants of Albert, Prince Consort. In 1917, the First World War caused George V to change from "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" to the House of Windsor in the United Kingdom.[2] German bombers were called "Gothas", in reference to their manufacturer, Gothaer Waggonfabrik.[3] In Belgium, after the World War in 1920, the name was unofficially changed to "de Belgique" (French), "van België" (Dutch) or "von Belgien" (German), meaning "of Belgium".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_...burg_and_Gotha
    Last edited by kmart; 02-07-2020 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    No matter what statue is on public display, someone will be offended.
    Take em all down and put in museums. That way folks can go into museum they choose to study, learn about the history they are interested in.
    No matter what is said, someone will be offended. Take away public discourse, and make all conversation private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Take away public discourse, and make all conversation private.
    The removal of the leopold statue, for example, has clearly done the complete opposite of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    The removal of the leopold statue, for example, has clearly done the complete opposite of this.
    But people are offended by conversation, so remove all conversation from happening in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    But people are offended by conversation, so remove all conversation from happening in public.
    They are?

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