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    Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know

    1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right
    In Gaddafi’s Green Book it states: ”The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others”. Gaddafi’s Green Book is the formal leader’s political philosophy, it was first published in 1975 and was intended reading for all Libyans even being included in the national curriculum.

    2. Education and medical treatment were all free
    Under Gaddafi, Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.

    3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
    The largest irrigation system in the world also known as the great manmade river was designed to make water readily available to all Libyan’s across the entire country. It was funded by the Gaddafi government and it said that Gaddafi himself called it ”the eighth wonder of the world”.

    4. It was free to start a farming business
    If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.

    5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies
    When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.

    6. Electricity was free
    Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!

    7. Cheap petrol
    During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.

    8. Gaddafi raised the level of education
    Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.

    9. Libya had It’s own state bank
    Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

    10. The gold dinar
    Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.

    The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.

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    Don't want to upset the invented convention/historical perspective.

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    Triggered the idiot love child did I?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post



    They don't have much say in Libya and are better known for hanging on the coattails of extremist groups to try and keep themselves relevant.
    They did have a say in eastern Libya, when Gaddaffi bombed society.

    They will have a say again now that their backer has intervened in Libya

    Or atleast: Could be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know
    11. Gaddafi was one of the most influential fashion designer of all time. Michael Jackson was his biggest customer.

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    If it's ever proven beyond a reasonable doubt, Sarkozy will simply deny knowing about it. Part of being a major world leader is to have others lay their prints over your dirty work, so that if it goes wrong you can plead ignorance of the fact; meanwhile his term is over, and there's fcuk all anyone can do about it.

    I wonder how much Blair prised out of Gadaffi (and Hussein) before turning on him.

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    The maimed body of Gaddafi (please no graphic pictures here) - by his people (???) and the torn off Saddam's head (please no graphic pictures here) - by his people (???) will teach everybody to do something this:
    10. The gold dinar - to introduce a single African currency linked to gold.

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    Libya will face 'catastrophe' if oil blockade continues: Tripoli premier

    "Libya will face a “catastrophic situation” unless foreign powers put pressure on eastern-based commander Khalifa Haftar to lift a blockade of oilfields that has cut output to almost zero, the country’s internationally recognized premier said on Monday.

    Since Friday, Haftar’s forces have closed Libya’s major oil ports in a power play as European and Arab powers and the United States were meeting with his supporters in Berlin to push him to halt a campaign to capture the capital Tripoli.

    Tripoli-based Prime Minister Fayez al-Serraj told Reuters he rejects eastern demands to link a reopening of oil ports to a new distribution of oil revenues among Libyans, saying such income was in any case meant to benefit the entire country.

    “The situation will be catastrophic should it stay like this,” Serraj said in an interview in Berlin.

    “I hope foreign countries will follow the issue,” he said when asked whether he wanted them to lean on Haftar to lift the blockade of Libya’s Mediterranean oil export terminals.

    Much of Libya’s oil wealth is located in the east of the sprawling North African state but revenues are channeled through Tripoli-based state oil firm NOC, which says it serves the whole country and stays out of its factional conflicts.

    Haftar’s parallel administration has repeatedly sought to export oil while bypassing the NOC but has been thwarted by a United Nations ban, diplomats say.

    The NOC sends oil and gas revenues, Libya’s economic lifeline, to the Tripoli-based central bank, which mainly works with Serraj’s government though it also funds some public salaries, fuel and other services in the Haftar-controled east.

    A document sent to oil traders and seen by Reuters on Monday said that the NOC had declared force majeure - a waiver on contractual obligations - on crude loadings from the Sharara and El Feel oilfields in Libya’s southwest.

    At least nine oil tankers had been due to load in the coming days from the ports now under force majeure, according to a local shipping source. The NOC had previously declared force majeure for oil ports on Libya’s northeast coast.

    Libya has lacked a stable central authority since strongman Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown by NATO-backed rebels in 2011. For more than five years, it has had two rival governments, in the east and the west, with streets controlled by armed groups.

    RESPECT FOR CEASEFIRE

    In the interview, Serraj also said his government would respect the summit’s decision to turn a tentative truce into a permanent ceasefire in Tripoli and open intra-Libyan talks to end conflict as part of a U.N.-led plan.

    But he ruled out meeting Haftar again. In Berlin Serraj and Haftar conferred with world leaders but not meet each other.

    “For me it’s clear....We will not sit down again with the other side,” Serraj said, adding that the question of peacemaking should not be limited to a meeting of two leaders.

    Serraj and Haftar, once a senior army general under Gaddafi, last met in Abu Dhabi in February 2019 where they failed to reach a power-sharing agreement, after which Haftar launched his offensive on Tripoli.

    Sunday’s Berlin summit convened the main foreign supporters of Libya’s warring sides. Haftar enjoys the support of the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Russian mercenaries and some African troops, while Serraj is backed by Turkey.

    The summit yielded a commitment to shore up Libya’s ramshackle truce arrangement but the gathering was overshadowed by Haftar’s oil blockades.
    The European Union’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said on Monday the EU would discuss all ways to uphold a formal ceasefire in Libya but any peace settlement will need real support from the bloc to make it stick.

    Under the Berlin deal, a joint committee will be formed, made up of five military men from each side, and convene in Geneva in about a week to discuss the mechanics of a viable ceasefire to pave the way for a resumption of peace diplomacy.

    “Unfortunately the (Haftar-led) attackers have continued to violate a truce and haven’t signed it anyway,” said Serraj, referring to a meeting in Moscow last week where Haftar refused to endorse a ceasefire scheme. Serraj put his signature on it.

    “We look forward to the committee meeting,” Serraj said.

    Many are skeptical about any ceasefire’s prospects due to a lack of mutual trust and a massive deployment of Haftar’s forces into the northwest in their bid to take Tripoli.

    Turkish support for Tripoli’s effort to repel Haftar has seen the fighting, which has displaced more than 150,000 civilians, take on the trappings of a proxy war."


    Libya will face 'catastrophe' if oil blockade continues: Tripoli premier - Reuters

    I'm sure "whoever" stole Libya's wealth, gold, 9 years of oil, have been "managing" Libya's economy for the past 9 years will step in and send Libya's wealth back to the Libyan people. Split between the two competing governments.

    Or are these "concerns" emanating now because a new "boss" now has control of the oil exporting
    terminals and hence the billions income?

    Should the "new boss" mirror "another's" "rules based statement, "We have spent a lot of money and we are now keeping the oil" for ourselves?
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    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Christ on a bike you do blather on.

    The problem is really very fucking simple if you understand the words "East", "West" and "Warlord".

    If you want the oil shared out a bit more equally, then let the Turks drive him out. You admire dictators after all.

    They have a price, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You admire dictators after all.

    They have a price, of course.
    That he does . . . has internet-wanks over Putin, Xi and Kim

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    11. Gaddafi was one of the most influential fashion designer of all time. Michael Jackson was his biggest customer.

    Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    No strongman got there by being 'nice', but he does ensure a measure of stability which cannot be done by a weak leader.

    Once installed, the only thing that can replace a strongman is another strongman; if you replace a strongman with wimps, or a strongman controlled by wimps, a real strongman will come along to thwart your cunning plan; and as history keeps telling out of touch world leaders, he won't be your strongman, so you end up with bigger problems than before.

    Nothing profound, just how it is.

    Fcuk with the natural course and you end up with, well, what we got!

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    ^We are told they do not want to have a "dictator" (and a quiet flourishing country), they want a democracy.

    So, when they beg so much (wondering who are the "they" - perhaps Harry can tell us?), why not to help them and make it so as in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, you name it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    That he does . . . has internet-wanks over Putin, Xi and Kim
    That's Putin, Mr. Shithole and Kim to you.


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    ^ I stand corrected!

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    . has internet-wanks over Putin, Xi and Kim
    I knew it was 'arrys" projection, but yours as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I knew it was 'arrys" projection, but yours as well?
    It seems that way from your posts

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    I respect governments that deliver. The Russian and Chinese governments have delivered "what it says on the tins". Kim's is WiP.

    Other world governments not apparent much. EU, North and South America, Eastern Europe, Oceania, Africa ....

    Asia again WiP.

    Personally I prefer smallish, brown, 45kg, medium size breasted, Thai, ladies.

    Which logically does not accommodate any of the three 'arry" and yourself dream about and constantly do a "terry" off balconies.

    Is it the skill of hitting some passer bye on the face and them licking it, that gives you the buzz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Is it the skill of hitting some passer bye on the face and them licking it?
    No idea, you must ask Terry and if you prefer being the receiver of Terry's manjuice then that's your prerogative

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I respect governments that deliver.
    Oh fuck off with your nonsense.

    You respect revolting dictators and make any excuse you can find to defend their murderous clinging to power.

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    It appears someone has renewed their universal "Right to Protect" mantra.

    U.S. Embassy - Libya‏Verified account @USAEmbassyLibya 19h19 hours ago

    "We are deeply concerned that the suspension of National Oil Corporation (NOC) operations risks exacerbating the humanitarian emergency in #Libya and inflicting further needless suffering on the Libyan people. NOC operations should resume immediately. http://bit.ly/3at4vwx


    54 replies 50 retweets 118 likes"

    U.S. Embassy - Libya (@USAEmbassyLibya) | Twitter


    Obey or "I swear will blow the NOC managers head off"

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    NATO returns to Libya to challenge Russia

    Posted on May 30, 2020 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR



    Libyan conflict set to intensify as NATO plans to intervene
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    The great game in Libya has begun surging with the United States shedding its strategic ambivalence and resorting to a proactive role. Earlier this week, the Pentagon marked a dramatic escalation by accusing Moscow of bolstering Kremlin-linked mercenaries who are allegedly helping Khalifa Haftar, the eastern warlord in Libya.


    In an extraordinary statement on May 26, the US Africa Command (AFRICOM) said that jets were flown last week from Russia to eastern Libya to a base controlled by Haftar in the wake of his offensive to capture power in Tripoli suffering a major reverse recently due Turkey’s military help to the UN-backed Libyan Government of National Accord.


    The AFRICOM claimed that the Russian jets are “likely to provide close air support and offensive fires” for Russian mercenaries working for Haftar — the Wagner Group, a shadowy private army that western experts link to Yevgeniy Prigozhin, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.


    “Russia is clearly trying to tip the scales in its favor in Libya,” said AFRICOM commander in the statement. “Just like I saw them doing in Syria, they are expanding their military footprint in Africa using government-supported mercenary groups like Wagner.” He added: “For too long, Russia has denied the full extent of its involvement in the ongoing Libyan conflict. Well, there is no denying it now.”


    The AFRICOM has since published additional details and satellite images across its social network channels. It says, “Over multiple days in May, Russian MiG 29s and SU-24 fighters departed Russia. At that time, all the aircraft had Russian Federation Air Force markings. After they land at Khmeimin Air Base in Syria, the MiG 29s are repainted and emerge with no national markings. They are flown by Russian military members & escorted by Russian fighters based in Syria to Libya, landing in Eastern Libya near Tobruk for fuel. At least 14 newly unmarked Russian aircraft are then delivered to Al Jufra Air Base in Libya.”


    Oil-rich Libya is in the grip of its worst bloodshed since the ouster of Moammar Gadhafi during the 2011 NATO intervention. The war that followed is being fuelled by regional and European powers, which have backed the warring sides for a variety of interests. But Washington has pointedly singled out Russia for its verbal fusillade.


    Indeed, there has been a steady build-up leading to this point. On May 7, the US State Department officials raised the ante by holding a special briefing on ‘Russian Engagement in the Middle East’ with focus on accusing Russia of worsening the situation in Libya by funnelling Syrian mercenaries.


    This briefing came a day after a confidential UN report on Libya sanctions said the Wagner Group has “acted as an effective force multiplier” for Haftar’s command, which has led to a “significant escalation” of the conflict and “a worsening of the humanitarian situation in Libya.”


    Seizing upon the UN report, Chris Robinson, a State Department official who focuses on Russia, told reporters that the Wagner Group is “often misleadingly referred to as a Russian private security company, but in fact it’s an instrument of the Russian government which the Kremlin uses as a low-cost and low-risk instrument to advance its goals.” He claimed that the “very heavy and advanced weapons” the Wagner Group wields in Libya indicate it is not a private company.


    Jim Jeffrey, the US special envoy for Syria, who took part in the briefing told reporters that Washington believes Russia is working with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to transfer militia fighters and equipment to Libya. “We know that, certainly, the Russians are working with Assad to transfer militia fighters, possibly [a] third country, possibly Syrian, to Libya, as well as equipment.”


    In essence, the senior US diplomats kickstarted a new US policy trajectory. This became clear when on May 14 when in an interview with the Italian La Repubblica, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg disclosed that the alliance is ready to support the official Tripoli government.


    As he put it, “There is an arms embargo in Libya to which all parties must abide. This does not mean putting the UN-recognised Fayez al-Sarraj government (in Tripoli) and Haftar into the same equation. Therefore, NATO is ready to support the Tripoli government.”

    No sooner than Stoltenberg’s interview appeared, Turkish President Recep Erdogan telephoned him to discuss Libya. According to a NATO readout, Stoltenberg told Erdogan,


    “NATO is prepared to help Libya in the area of defence and security institution building, in response to the request by the Prime Minister of the Government of National Accord to assist the GNA to strengthen its security institutions. Any NATO assistance to Libya would take account of political and security conditions, and would be provided in full complementarity and in close coordination with other international efforts, including those of the UN and the EU.”


    Two days later, on May 16, Stoltenberg already held a phone conversation with the Prime Minister of Libya, Fayez al-Sarraj. Stoltenberg is not a free agent. The NATO takes its cue from Washington. Clearly, Washington is inserting NATO into the Libyan conflict as a new strategy. Of course, any such NATO intervention in Libya also implies that the western alliance is moving into Africa.

    In the western assessment, any Russian consolidation in Libya would weaken NATO’s dominance of the Mediterranean. On May 26, the commander of US air forces in Europe and Africa said that if Russia obtains permanent coastal bases in Libya, its “next logical step” will be to introduce long-range air defence systems, which could pose threat to NATO’s access to its southern flank.

    There are incipient signs that the UAE, which has been a key provider of weaponry and funds to Haftar is having a rethink, presumably due to pressure from Washington, whose game plan is to isolate Russia. But this can be a tactical shift, considering the acuteness of the UAE-Turkey rivalries currently.


    Egypt, another supporter of Haftar, continue to support Hifter politically, diplomatically, logistically and security-wise against terrorist groups in Libya. while Egypt will not intervene militarily in Libya, strong coordination continues between the Egyptian leadership and Haftar on one side and between Cairo and Moscow on the other.


    Cairo appears to estimate that Hifter’s recent withdrawals from the frontline is a tactical move to protect the remaining military equipment and weapons that were not destroyed in Turkey’s airstrikes.


    To be sure, the NATO intervention in Libya cannot be to Russia’s liking. Russia has strong political and economic interests in Libya. The Pentagon accusation regarding Russian jets to Libya suggests that Moscow is stepping up too.


    The US (and NATO) strategy will be to evict Russia from the eastern Mediterranean, including from its bases in Syria. Unsurprisingly, Washington and Ankara are cozying up to each other lately. The NATO’s intervention in Libya is heartily welcomed by Turkey.

    Suffice to say, the US and Turkey find themselves today on the same side over Libya. Russia, therefore, has reasons to be anxious about the future of its relations with Turkey and its overall standing in Syria. Interestingly, Russia and Syria held a joint exercise last week to strengthen the security of the naval base in Tartus on the eastern Mediterranean.

    All in all, the US moves over Syria only underscore that Washington’s containment strategy against Moscow continues to be in full cry, notwithstanding the rising US-China tensions. Russia’s introduction of fourth-generation fighter aircraft in Libya suggests that Moscow will push back at NATO’s intervention.


    The gathering storms over Libya prompted the French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves le Drian to raise the warning on May 27 while addressing at a French Senate panel, “The crisis is deepening. We are facing a ‘Syrianization’ of Libya.”

    One major objective of the NATO in Libya will be to curb the refugee flow into Europe. Put differently, the European Union becomes a stakeholder in the US strategy to insert NATO into Libya. This will significantly dampen the prospects for any rapprochement between Moscow and the West in a conceivable future.


    On the other hand, the transatlantic partnership that has been showing wear and tear lately, gets a much-needed fillip, which of course will be to the US’ advantage and would have wider ramifications. The Trump administration has mooted the idea of hosting a G-7 summit in the US next month to pick all the low-hanging fruit. Libya will be one of them."


    https://indianpunchline.com/nato-ret...llenge-russia/

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    Don't tell me the fucking Russians are bombing another lot of civilians?

    WTF is wrong with Vlad, he is a tad bloodthirsty.

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    ^He still haven't developed the smart missiles that can avoid the wedding celebration people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Russians are bombing
    No pilots identities published, just grainy shots of Russian manufactured airplanes taken in alleged locations. Soon to be rolled back as just a "misspeak" confusion, as usual.

    There is a some previous in these situations from the same "sources".

    One must also acknowledge the article's writer has been ridiculed by yourself and you pups, here on TD, many times

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    No pilots identities published, just grainy shots of Russian manufactured airplanes taken in alleged locations. Soon to be rolled back as just a "misspeak" confusion, as usual.

    There is a some previous in these situations from the same "sources".

    One must also acknowledge the article's writer has been ridiculed by yourself and you pups, here on TD, many times
    Well your whackjob must be psychic or something to spot news that was reported all over the world.


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