Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

So these supposed Russian military officers can just walk up to a front door and spray it with Novichok without wearing any protective clothing, and masks, that would draw attention? Yeah right. I'd expect they'd have had to wear similar attire as those that supposedly cleared it up?

Yeah, it is highly likely that they wore the same protecting outfit.

Just like murderers always kill people in tents.

Jeez Prag...that the best you got?

All this has only one purpose:
How much BS the population can swallow...

...but enough of your posting history.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Jeez Prag...that the best you got?

Just waiting for Harry's input.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Just waiting for Harry's input.

Input to what?

The report speaks for itself.

I'll leave you whackjobs to your furious, idiotic speculation.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Input to what?

The report speaks for itself.

I'll leave you whackjobs to your furious, idiotic speculation.

I think they are still trying to swallow the moon landing.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Input to what?

The report speaks for itself.

I'll leave you whackjobs to your furious, idiotic speculation.

and the report is true ? and how would you know this ?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and how would you know this ?

You should know by now 'arrys a "nod and a wink" special agent with "For Eyes Only" clearance.

Maybot is making bold claims with no clue or evidence of her allegations,

she tried the same tricks on Brussels for Brexit and it failed miserably

she is a complete failure, so typically British

Originally Posted by OhOh

You should know by now 'arrys a "nod and a wink" special agent with "For Eyes Only" clearance.

He should know I've had the dopey [at][at][at][at] on ignore for months and don't read any of his shit any more unless someone quotes it, which usually is to tell him he's a dopey [at][at][at][at], which everyone knows already.

Originally Posted by OhOh

However in this instance, because the accused are allegedly Russian citizens and Russia does not extradite it's murderous scum, I am presuming no public trial before the Judge and Jury will take place.

FTFY.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

FTFY.

One countries murderous scum is another's heroes.

And the evidence is so compelling, the 2 murderous guys had been synchronized (perhaps still they are), the snapshots from the airport bear the same time stamp...

It's just aired live from SC UN.

Unbelievable, comparison with what everything is happening in the world.

What about is going in the heads of those people who are suffering in the war countries when they hear the problem from Salisbury?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Who to believe?

The MET police video screen copy, the UNSC live TV broadcast or google maps video evidence.

Cujo, 'arry or MK will come out with definition of the "correct" source and put our simple minds to rest.

Judgement by 3pm Thai time please.

Otherwise we go with the DPRK ace hackers judgement.

Allegedly, "North Korea's notorious cyber villain, hacking wizard and undisputed evil genius".

"“Working for a foreign government does not immunise criminal conduct,” said John Demers, assistant attorney-general for the DoJ’s national security division. In noting previous cyberhacking charges against Chinese, Russian and Iranian nationals going back to 2014, Demers said that "today we add the North Korean regime to our list,” he said, which made “four out of four of our principal adversaries in cyber space." "These activities run afoul of acceptable norms of behaviour in cyber space and space and the international community must address them," he added."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...malware-attack



How would western "Internationally Excepted rules"; aiding throat slitting terrorists, illegal invasions and military, financial and threats of attacks on foreign countries and citizens work, if this ever occurred?

Put all their leaders in front of an Asian AA cannon at dawn?

Are you ever going to stop fucking waffling?

Britain’s reaction to the Salisbury poisonings plays into Putin’s hands

There is “no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality”. The poet Thomas Babington Macaulay might have had in mind the saga of the attempted killing last March of the Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and the subsequent death of a bystander. The reaction to the sad affair has been cynical, disproportionate and hypocritical.

That members of a security agency should have a vendetta against someone they regard as a traitor is unsurprising. Britons would hardly have turned a hair if something nasty had happened in Moscow to British double agents Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean or Kim Philby. Fed on a diet of extrajudicial spy killings, they assume that in this murky, pseudo-glamorised world traitors get their due deserts.

From the start it was likely, if not certain, that the novichok attack in Salisbury was revenge by hitmen with access to Russian poison, and with scant respect for recycling. No one is pretending that killing people is acceptable, nor is travelling on false passports or carrying nerve agents across international borders. It is also unwise for Russians to break a spy-swap deal, of which Skripal was a beneficiary.

The affair goes to show how pointless are Theresa May’s heavy-handed visa and border controls. As for whom to blame, May says it was “not a rogue operation” and came from “a senior level in the Russian state”, by implication Putin. But secret agencies of totalitarian states have their own methods, of which their superiors understandably prefer to know nothing. The cold war must have a deal of such scores still to settle. Of Putin’s involvement we are offered no knowledge.

The reality is that no one’s hands are clean in this dubious form of near-war. Someone in Whitehall regularly authorises the extrajudicial killing of British citizens who have displeased Her Majesty’s government by going over to a perceived enemy, be it Islamic State, al-Qaeda or the Taliban. If a bystander also gets killed, that is bad luck, justified by a greater good. In 2015 two Britons, Reyaad Khan and Junaid Hussain, were killed by drones in Syria, as were Hussain’s wife, Sally Jones, and her 12-year-old son in 2017. However “guilty” the individuals, their execution was outside due process, carried out in a foreign state and prima facie against international law. But then Mosul, Raqqa and Idlib are not beloved Salisbury.

British justice loves geography. Few Britons realise how far, to Russians, London has become a Muscovite home from home. Under the money-laundering tolerance of Tony Blair and David Cameron, it was another Monaco or Cayman, an “oligarchia” of property bolt-holes and dodgy dealers, where no questions were asked and only money talked. To Russians, the idea of British authorities citing the rule of law and getting high and mighty about injury to a superannuated spy is laughable.

This is not about justice but about proportionate response. How many attempted murder victims in south London get the exclusive attention of 250 police officers for six months, and prime ministerial statements in parliament? From the start, the Skripal attack could have been treated as a local crime. It is clear that the police soon suspected the two Russians, and knew there was no way of bringing them to court. The case could have gone back in the pending file, and Putin accused of being a pathetic figure unable to control his own mobsters.

Instead it was turned into an international crisis, with Putin as a mastermind of gigantic evil. May leapt into the fray. The attempt on Skripal’s life was “a chemical attack on British soil”, as if Putin had personally sent sarin canisters raining down on hospitals and schools. At the Foreign Office at the time, Boris Johnson exultantly called it an “act of war”. The attack on Skripal was an existential threat, requiring an allied response, tit-for-tat penalties, UN meetings, expulsions, sanctions and excoriations.

British diplomacy was deflected from Brexit to secure the expulsion of 153 Russian spies from western capitals, leading to the predictable removal of two dozen British spies from Russia. Sanctions were imposed, trade was impeded and Putin’s cronies were forced to spend more time and money at home, an outcome that reputedly pleased Putin.
There is no evidence that such frenzy has led to any shift in Russian policy, any more than the similar response to the Litvinenko poisoning in London in 2006 deterred more poisonings. Deterrence, like sanctions, is an overrated concept in diplomacy. Just as Putin’s mischief-making, mendacity and posturing show a leader craving for macho publicity, so does the west’s response. It is the politics of gestures, insults, headlines and staged indignation. It is infantile.

Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, Europe’s democracies have driven Russia down the path on which Putin is set. They debilitated his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin. They denied Russia aid and trade. They pushed Nato’s boundaries to Russia’s border and taunted it with encirclement. London embraced Russia’s kleptocrats and bled it dry of its resource wealth. For a leader such as Putin, Europe was Lenin’s useful idiot.

Now Moscow is on a roll. Despite domestic angst over pension reform, Putin’s foreign policy is cruising. EU ineptitude is allowing him to re-establish cold war allegiances, with admirers in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Serbia and even Germany. His economy may be in a mess, but who cares when he has America and Britain dancing like marionettes on a string? So some hitman goofs in Salisbury. In return we let Putin mock us and parade his injured innocence before the world. Everything we do – everything – helps him.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sergei-skripal

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Are you ever going to stop fucking waffling?

Are you ever going to post anything of interest?

Originally Posted by Chico

Are you ever going to post anything of interest?

Not for you Chico, your attention span would require something like the teletubbies.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Not for you Chico, your attention span would require something like the teletubbies.

1 - 0 to Harry. Gonna have to up yer game Horatio.

Skripals – The Mystery Deepens

The time that “Boshirov and Petrov” were allegedly in Salisbury carrying out the attack is all entirely within the period the Skripals were universally reported to have left their home with their mobile phones switched off.

A key hole in the British government’s account of the Salisbury poisonings has been plugged – the lack of any actual suspects. And it has been plugged in a way that appears broadly convincing – these two men do appear to have traveled to Salisbury at the right time to have been involved.

But what has not been established is the men’s identity and that they are agents of the Russian state, or just what they did in Salisbury. If they are Russian agents, they are remarkably amateur assassins. Meanwhile the new evidence throws the previously reported timelines into confusion – and demolishes the theories put out by “experts” as to why the Novichok dose was not fatal.

This BBC report gives a very useful timeline summary of events.

At 09.15 on Sunday 4 March the Skripals’ car was seen on CCTV driving through three different locations in Salisbury. Both Skripals had switched off their mobile phones and they remained off for over four hours, which has baffled geo-location.

There is no CCTV footage that indicates the Skripals returning to their home. It has therefore always been assumed that they last touched the door handle around 9am.

But the Metropolitan Police state that Boshirov and Petrov did not arrive in Salisbury until 11.48 on the day of the poisoning. That means that they could not have applied a nerve agent to the Skripals’ doorknob before noon at the earliest. But there has never been any indication that the Skripals returned to their home after noon on Sunday 4 March. If they did so, they and/or their car somehow avoided all CCTV cameras. Remember they were caught by three CCTV cameras on leaving, and Borishov and Petrov were caught frequently on CCTV on arriving.

The Skripals were next seen on CCTV at 13.30, driving down Devizes road. After that their movements were clearly witnessed or recorded until their admission to hospital.

So even if the Skripals made an “invisible” trip home before being seen on Devizes Road, that means the very latest they could have touched the doorknob is 13.15. The longest possible gap between the novichok being placed on the doorknob and the Skripals touching it would have been one hour and 15 minutes. Do you recall all those “experts” leaping in to tell us that the “ten times deadlier than VX” nerve agent was not fatal because it had degraded overnight on the doorknob? Well that cannot be true. The time between application and contact was between a minute and (at most) just over an hour on this new timeline.

In general it is worth observing that the Skripals, and poor Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, all managed to achieve almost complete CCTV invisibility in their widespread movements around Salisbury at the key times, while in contrast “Petrov and Boshirov” managed to be frequently caught in high quality all the time during their brief visit.

Read more
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...stery-deepens/

The Impossible Photo

I am prepared to acknowledge that, given the gate design, they could have passed through different gates in exact synchronicity and this may be a red herring. I am leaving this post up here as it is good to acknowledge mistakes. Please read my updated post Skripals – The Mystery Deepens

Russia has developed an astonishing new technology enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space at precisely the same time.



These CCTV images released by Scotland yard today allegedly show Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov both occupying exactly the same space at Gatwick airport at precisely the same second. 16.22.43 on 2 March 2018. Note neither photo shows the other following less than a second behind.

There is no physically possible explanation for this. You can see ten yards behind each of them, and neither has anybody behind for at least ten yards. Yet they were both photographed in the same spot at the same second.

The only possible explanations are:
1) One of the two is travelling faster than Usain Bolt can sprint
2) Scotland Yard has issued doctored CCTV images/timeline.

I am going with the Met issuing doctored images.

UPDATE

A number of people have pointed out a third logical possibility, that the photographs are not of the same place and they are coming through different though completely identical entry channels. The problem with that is the extreme synchronicity. You can see from the photos that the channel(s) are enclosed and quite long, and they would have had to enter different entrances to the channels. So it is remarkable they were at exactly the same point at the same time. Especially as one of them appears to be holding (wheeled?) luggage and one has only a shoulder bag.
I have traveled through Gatwick many times but cannot call to mind precisely where they are. Can anybody pinpoint the precise place in the airport? Before or after passport control? Before or after baggage collection? Before or after customs? The only part of the airport this looks like to me is shortly after leaving the plane after the bridge, and before joining the main gangway to passport control – in which case passengers are not split into separated channels at the stage this was taken. I can’t recall any close corridors as long as this after passport control. But I am open to correction.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ossible-photo/