Thread: Shooting at Mandalay Bay Casino

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

- Paddock’s brother is in town and being questioned.
- No evidence of a 2nd shooter. (yet)
- Approximately 200 of Paddock’s prior visits to Las Vegas and surrounding area tracked down
- No other contacts identified.
- Still no motive.
- FBI begins releasing some property. See FBI.GOV website for more details.
- Anticipate one more week investigating physical site of attack.
- Anticipate one more week investigating hotel room.
- Investigation is very complicated. “Complicated event reconstruction”
- No further press conferences until Friday (October 13th)
- Some evidence of medication in room. No details provided.
- No note left in room. Would not discuss night stand note and numbers.
- Sheriff Lombardo very confrontational with questioning.
- Security Guard heard drilling in room. Drilling of “adjacent door” interrupted by security guard and not completed.
- Security guard did not knock on hotel suite door. Door was party ajar.
- Security guard shot (at 9:59pm CST) prior to the mass shooting of the crowd at 10:05pm - - CST. Repeat: PRIOR TO THE SHOOTING OF THE CROWD.
- Guard was responding to alarm of “open door” (likely emergency stairwell)
- Paddock had body armor and “self defense equipment”.
- Paddock check in date at hotel Sept 25th (parking), but did not occupy hotel suite until September 28th. Time between 25th and 28th is deepest investigative period officials cannot explain Paddock activity.
- Paddock did plan to escape. No details provided.
- Multiple cell phones in room. No details provided. (FBI Interruption)
- Lots of electronic equipment were in the room. Forensics ongoing.
- Paddock disguised his movements in the periods immediately prior to the shooting date of October 1st.
- Investigators perplexed by thoroughness of Paddock disguising his activity.
- Sheriff Lombardo very aggressive, curt and short-tempered with this press conference.
- No further press conferences scheduled until Friday October 13th.

reminds of Rumsfield conference after 911, and before the Iraq war, full of vague assumptions, inconsistencies etc...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Anyway, in no way to disturb our esteemed guest!

exactly that....don't upset the gamblers putting significant cash on the line, because they might move to another casino....and this guy wasn't even a whale.

bottom line: t's vegas and people are going to be bringing all kinds of crazy shit into their rooms and staff are going to look the other way....but probably not anymore when it comes to guns.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

How many luggage carts? How many round trips by the lift?

i'm sure many of us have been in hotels when a family checks in with enough to overload two or three luggage carts. It's insane to those of us that travel light, but there are people out there that do it.

Friend of Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock describes him as caring person who sought to 'make people happy'

The man accused of carrying out last week’s deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock, was a caring person who tried his best to "make people happy," a friend and longtime employee of his told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” today.

“He actually cared about everybody,” said Lisa Crawford of Dallas, who managed an apartment that Paddock owned from 2006 to 2012.

“He tried to make people happy. He tried to make people care. And I don’t know what happened to him,” she said as she fought to hold back tears.

She said Paddock, 64, who apparently killed himself after the massacre, was a close friend, describing him as a humorous person who was generous with his tenants.

She said she found it hard to believe that Paddock, an accountant, could be capable of carrying out the Oct. 1 shooting on the Las Vegas Strip, which left 59 people dead, including him, and at least 480 others injured.

She said she last spoke with him via email a few weeks ago when he checked on her to make sure she was OK during hurricanes Harvey and Irma. She also shared images of her with a grinning Paddock embracing her warmly.

“I have read them over and over and over again,” Crawford said of her email conversations with him. “I’ve even looked at some photos online of, I guess, him and his girlfriend. You know, I was even trying to look into his eyes to see if I saw something that wasn’t normal, you know. No, I didn’t see anything.”

Crawford said she has spoken with FBI agents and police officers about their friendship as authorities work to figure out a possible motive in the attack.

“I want closure for these people,” Crawford said. “I can’t believe that the person that I knew would even consider hurting somebody. I want so bad to have answers for people. I want to solve this. I want us to do whatever I can to tell the authorities to look here, look there.”

The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said authorities responded to a suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, where they found Paddock dead. Authorities said they believe he killed himself before police entered the suite.

Police, according to multiple law enforcement officials, still have found no definitive evidence to prove he had an accomplice and have not nailed down a motive.

Crawford said she had an emotional breakdown after the massacre, adding that she feels “guilty” for having known Paddock.

“I have cried for those people so many times, I almost feel like I’m out of tears sometimes,” she said. “It could have been my mom, my children.”






Friend of Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock describes him as caring person who sought to 'make people happy' - ABC News

Not sure whether I have read correctly somewhere (with my poor English), was it reported that the man was not really crazy into guns? Not practising, exercising to get such skill?

(But with a valium, it can get changed?)

Maybe he just got bored with life, and his lifestyle, and just wanted to go out with the ultimate thrill. I agree with several here- we'll never know. But if he could not legally have acquired that vast machine gun arsenal, the tragedy would have been much less.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Any idea how many bags and volume it takes to bring 42 guns onto room

M16 type rifles? About 8 golf bags or 4 reasonably sized suitcases.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

And some more bags for the ammunition

You can fit about 2000 rounds of 7.62mm ammo in a shoebox.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

About 8 golf bags

or the same golf bag in and out of the hotel once or twice a day over a couple of days.

who wouldn't think that the guy was playing a round in the morning and another round in the afternoon.

Again: It is Vegas, the convention capital of the US.

During their presser, they stated that it is not uncommon for conference/convention delegates to bring the entire contents of their stand to their room/suite prior to an event, so even if he brought it all in at once it would not have raised a red flag.

They do not routinely scan luggage at Vegas hotels, even with a metal detector.

(They certainly didn't at the Excalibur when I stayed there last year, and they have lots of entrances - it's a casino remember).

Originally Posted by Klondyke
How many luggage carts? How many round trips by the lift?

Originally Posted by uncle junior

The big question now is, he was actually shot by the security guard before he started firing on the crowd.....curioser and curioser

One of us has read the story wrong.

I understood Paddock shot Campos, the security guard, before Paddock started firing at the crowd. That Paddock had a camera on the outside of his room and saw the security guard in the hall, shooting him through the door. Campos called security after he himself had been shot.

Right?

^^ Cue for conspiracy theorists

^^That's my understanding too.

It does change the time-line of initially reported events though.

Originally Posted by misskit

I understood Paddock shot Campos, the security guard, before Paddock started firing at the crowd. That Paddock had a camera on the outside of his room and saw the security guard in the hall, shooting him through the door. Campos called security after he himself had been shot.

You're right. Paddock shot the security guard. Still more question's though. Paddock shot him at 9:59. The cops didn't get there til almost 20 minutes later. 20 mins seems like along time to respond.

Jesus Campos, a guard at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was shot by Stephen Paddock at 9:59 p.m. local time, six minutes before Paddock opened fire on a country music festival below, killing 58 and injuring hundreds more, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department

Sheriff Joe Lombardo said in a news conference Monday evening.
Lombardo previously said Campos was injured after the attack started, and, according to a police timeline, the first officers arrived on Paddock’s floor at 10:17 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/10...-response.html

Originally Posted by DrB0b

M16 type rifles? About 8 golf bags or 4 reasonably sized suitcases.


You can fit about 2000 rounds of 7.62mm ammo in a shoebox.

Dunno if being sarcastic or not but you can't even fit 1000 rounds of .223/5.56 in a shoebox, let alone 2000 rounds of 7.62.

Still wouldn't be hard to bring into a hotel room though. Ive done it. However, I simply carried it from the back of a truck to hotel room & didn't even try to hide it. And it was a regular cheapo hotel where you access the rooms from the outside, not the lobby.

Anyway the whole "how did he get it in the room" thing is pointless. Its not hard and just shows his level of premeditation.

Still a lot of info gaps, which suggests there are things we are not supposed to know at least for now.

Haven't read the entire thread but has it been established why he put out two windows, considering there were enough targets below either one to keep him well happy? Could it be he prepared ventilation for the room heating up with all that firing? Yes that makes sense, quite obviously not two shooters since the FBI in conjunction with our own experts would've long figured that out. That narrows it down, only one shooter, so we can eliminate one shooting the other before escaping.

10:12 Cops figure out the shots are coming from the 32nd floor. Only way this scenario works is for the security guard not calling for back up after he gets shot a 9:59. They're holding back info on the guard.

Originally Posted by Slick

you can't even fit 1000 rounds of .223/5.56 in a shoebox, let alone 2000 rounds of 7.62.

you're forgetting that little, short guys like you have small feet...and therefore small shoe boxes.

Originally Posted by raycarey

you're forgetting that little, short guys like you have small feet...and therefore small shoe boxes.

Yeah except for the fact that contrary to popular belief amongst my haters, im none of the above, and wear a size 12.

So unless one was literally bigfoot, it isn't happening.

Maybe bad communications....

Lombardo said that Campos, upon being shot, immediately notified security of his situation, and his action helped identify the location of the suspect. In addition, Campos prevented a maintenance worker on the same floor from suffering injuries, the sheriff said.

Police did not know Campos was shot until they met him in the hallway of the 32nd floor after getting off the elevator, Lombardo said.

What exactly happened in the six minutes between Campos' getting shot and the mass shooting on concertgoers? Who did the security guard alert, and what was their response? Why did it take officers 18 minutes from that point to reach the gunman's floor?

Police don't know why Las Vegas gunman fired -- or why he stopped - CNN

Originally Posted by uncle junior

10:12 Cops figure out the shots are coming from the 32nd floor. Only way this scenario works is for the security guard not calling for back up after he gets shot a 9:59. They're holding back info on the guard.

Nonsense.
It took 1 minute fo him to call for backup then 12 for the backup to arrive at the wrong floor.
By the way, how is it uncle junior and grandpa are allowed to co-exist?

New Footage of Attack.

Originally Posted by Slick

Dunno if being sarcastic or not but you can't even fit 1000 rounds of .223/5.56 in a shoebox, let alone 2000 rounds of 7.62.

Still wouldn't be hard to bring into a hotel room though. Ive done it. However, I simply carried it from the back of a truck to hotel room & didn't even try to hide it. And it was a regular cheapo hotel where you access the rooms from the outside, not the lobby.

Anyway the whole "how did he get it in the room" thing is pointless. Its not hard and just shows his level of premeditation.

Kinda sarcastic. Targeted at the kind of people who think you need a fleet of trucks to transport 40 rifles and 2000 rounds.

https://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-7-62x3...olfwpamil-1000

Gotta love the "keep away from children" warning.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

10:12 Cops figure out the shots are coming from the 32nd floor. Only way this scenario works is for the security guard not calling for back up after he gets shot a 9:59. They're holding back info on the guard.

Something very wrong with this time line, big hotel has only one security guard, think not.
Where were the rest and only 2 cops roll up on an active shooting, no member of staff escorts the cops with a pass key and they don't know which floor the wounded guard was on.

^ Because that timeline is incorrect. You will most likely need to use a VPN to watch this but this is the story from the first officers to breach the shooters hotel room...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...ck-hotel-room/