Thread: Row grows after US Marshals strip-search Indian diplomat

Originally Posted by BobR

Yep, it may be legally wrong but it was not morally wrong. The bitch deserves no sympathy.

Right, so the gay American diplomats in India should be arrested as they are breaking Indian law, and they should also be subject to strip and cavity searches ?

Me thinks Amerika might get a little precious if that happened.

do what we say, not what we do.

Originally Posted by barbaro

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Just an interesting sidebar. I, like many others, automatically assumed this lady was a high-caste Indian. In fact, she is not only not high caste, she is from the lowest caste in India - the Untouchables.

Absolutely unthinkable just a few years ago that an untouchable could have become an Indian diplomat as their diplomatic service has always been reserved for only those born into the highest castes.

Doesn't change a thing regarding her treatment of her servant, but I did find this interesting.

Davis,

You seem to know a lot about India.

What is your experience there? With Indian people also?

Recomendations for someone travelling throught that huge sub-continent?


Thanks.

It's a fascinating country, unlike any other in which I've lived. Prior to moving to India, I had spent two years in Sri Lanka, two in Bangladesh, and did a year of one-on-one post graduate work studying Hindi. So, by the time I got there, I could read, write and speak Hindi well. My wife of the time (daughter of an American construction ex-pat based in Bangladesh) spoke Bengali fluently, as well as Sinhala. So, we were pretty well fixed language-wise.

My job took me all over the country - a lot of driving, lots of trains, and Air India as infrequently as possible. From the houseboats of Kashmir, to Agra and the Taj, to Rajastan, and exploring the alleys of the slums of Calcutta. The old British churches of Madras, and the port in Bombay. All very different locales.

Indians, as a people, can be difficult. It is a type of third world unique unto itself. Of the many Indians I knew over my three years there, my best friends were Sikhs. Upper-class Indians can be really obnoxious, but I guess that's true of many countries.

Red tape and paperwork, to accomplish even the most mundane tasks, can be daunting. Eating out, while a great experience for example in Old Delhi, is an intestinal crap shoot. Driving is high risk.

But, overall, a chance to explore this incredibly diverse huge country was an opportunity for which I will always be grateful. But, I wouldn't do it again at my current age.

Davis,

They say one cannot go to India once!
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Barbaro,

Thirteenth Commandment: Though should not get caught.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Davis,

They say one cannot go to India once!

They lie.

I thought they said everyone takes a little of India home with them

Germs, bacteria and intestinal parasites mostly....

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

My job took me all over the country - a lot of driving, lots of trains, and Air India as infrequently as possible. From the houseboats of Kashmir, to Agra and the Taj, to Rajastan, and exploring the alleys of the slums of Calcutta. The old British churches of Madras, and the port in Bombay. All very different locales.

Sounds like an amazing experience. Several lifetimes of experience wrapped up right there...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

My job took me all over the country - a lot of driving, lots of trains, and Air India as infrequently as possible. From the houseboats of Kashmir, to Agra and the Taj, to Rajastan, and exploring the alleys of the slums of Calcutta. The old British churches of Madras, and the port in Bombay. All very different locales.

Sounds like an amazing experience. Several lifetimes of experience wrapped up right there...

You need a healthy sense of adventure. It's also a walking kind of a country. You really need to wander for hours on foot to fully get the sounds and smells and visuals. That wife was a semi-pro photographer, so we walked it all, at all hours. She had a couple of pretty good photo shows out of it. Although blond and blue-eyed, having spent most of her life in Bangladesh she had an uncanny ability to fade into the background and avoid having the normal crowd of Indian gawkers surrounding her.

I really liked Rajastan. The old walled city of Jaipur, the capital of Rajastan, is known as the pink city, as most of the old buildings are constructed of pink-colored sandstone. We stayed in an old Maharajah's palace in Jaipur - billiard hall, peacocks roaming the grounds, a huge old place. Rajastan is full of camel carts, and has a huge camel auction each years.

From there to Kashmir - trekking up to and above the snow line, then retreating down the mountain to the flower-laden houseboat on Dale Lake where we stayed. Still have some amazing Kashmiri carpets.

Then Madras - old British army cantonments and fantastic churches. Here I found a 120 year old huge rolltop desk - once the property of a plantation owner. I found it in pieces in a warehouse, had it all wrapped and trucked up to New Delhi, cleared out my garage, and found an old, old woodworker who, over a month or two, restored it to all its glory. It's downstairs in one of the living rooms.

The port of Bombay, with alleys full of little shops of nautical antiques.....the list just goes on and on.

Each place different language, culture, dress, often religion, festivals, food.....

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by BobR

Yep, it may be legally wrong but it was not morally wrong. The bitch deserves no sympathy.

Right, so the gay American diplomats in India should be arrested as they are breaking Indian law, and they should also be subject to strip and cavity searches ?

Me thinks Amerika might get a little precious if that happened.

do what we say, not what we do.

If they've committed a crime and have no immunity for it, they should expect the same treatment as any other criminal in India.

I don't see a problem here.

In fact, while they're going tit for tat, they should lift immunity on the rest of them and get all that parking ticket money.

I loved India and it has been a dream of mine to go back for close to 25 years.

I just had a trip cancelled which was a great disappointment, so I made a bigger and better plan to go in February which may well be scuppered thanks to the UK Govt stopping the issuing of passports in Hong Kong.

One thing that Davis said that I would agree with 1000% was

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

my best friends were Sikhs

The Sikhs were awesome. I loved Amritsar so much I went back there again on the same trip after I'd been up to Kashmir. So I added three days in Amritsar on this upcoming trip. I hope and pray it happens........

Modern Sikh history is very interesting and a classic example of what a Government can get away with if it chooses to be so brutal.

New York: Ending the goof up reports, the US on Monday asserted that the case against senior Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade is on a firm footing.

The US has rejected India's contention that it has misconstrued salary details in the visa application Khobragade's domestic help. Making it clear that visa fraud charges against Khobragade will not be dropped, US sources here said, "The strength of the fraud in the case is very strong."

"The case will be there against her, it will not be dropped. The charges will remain," the sources said, adding that if the 39-year-old diplomat gets full diplomatic immunity, she can travel outside the country.

However, if she were to return to the US later on a visit and if she then does not have the immunity, she could face arrest on the charges against her and be prosecuted.

The US also ruled out an apology to India over Khobragade's arrest.

On the allegation made by Khobargade's lawyer that the USD 4,500 amount written in the visa application was Khobragade's salary and not the amount promised to be paid to the domestic worker Sangeeta Richard, sources have said that Khobragade did not understand the form correctly.

"No federal agent goofed up in reading the form," sources said, rubbishing allegations made by Khobragade's lawyer Dan Arshack.

"It is clear that the salary details required on the visa application form are that of the employee and not the employer," they said.

There is no question of apology to India over the arrest of Khobragade, the then Deputy Consul General of India, in New York on December 12 which has led to strong protests by the Indian government and widespread indignation in India.

Khobragade was later released on a USD 250,000 bond after pleading not guilty in court. The Indian government has demanded withdrawal of the case and an apology for the treatment meted out to the diplomat.

Sources also added that Khobragade's domestic help Sangeeta's family was evacuated to the US because the Justice Department was compelled to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families were safe and secure while cases were pending.

If Khobragade had immunity in the case, what was the need to transfer her from the Indian Consulate to the Indian mission to the UN, the sources contended.

India has also informed the US that Khobragade was accredited to the UN as a member of the country's delegation to the General Assembly before her arrest in a visa fraud case.

Since the diplomat was part of the Indian delegation to the UN beginning September and enjoyed full diplomatic immunity, her arrest would be considered a violation of the Vienna Convention.

The US has made it clear that it is proceeding with the prosecution of Khobragade.


Devyani Khobragade row: US says no goof up, won`t drop visa fraud charge

So, the US is adhering to legal process in a transparent and correct manner.

The Indians are piling lies upon lies at every level while posturing and looking to avoid legal process and justice. Just another day in the third world; the Indians are behaving very much like Thais...

send her to Gitmo, some have been sent there for less

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by BobR

Yep, it may be legally wrong but it was not morally wrong. The bitch deserves no sympathy.

Right, so the gay American diplomats in India should be arrested as they are breaking Indian law, and they should also be subject to strip and cavity searches ?

Me thinks Amerika might get a little precious if that happened.

do what we say, not what we do.

No one should be subject to cavity searches except if they are arrested for a drug related or violent serious crime, but so long as that disgusting practice in continuing everyone should be abused equally. The only good thing that could come out of this is for the people of New York to wake up and demand their legislators limit the authority of law enforcement to perform such bodily invasions without a damn good reason.

NEW YORK : An Indian diplomat in New York, arrested for visa fraud that sent US-India relations into tailspin, has asked for an extension of the filing of indictment due to ongoing talks with the prosecution.
Daniel Arshack, lawyer for Devyani Khobragade, 39, in a letter to U.S. Magistrate Sarah Netburn asked the Jan. 13 deadline for the prosecution to file the indictment against Khobragade be extended to Feb. 12, according to media reports. The diplomat was arrested in New York Dec. 12 and is free on $250,000 bail. She was handcuffed and strip-searched.


“Significant communications have been had between the prosecution and the defense and amongst other government officials and it is our strong view that the pressure of the impending deadline is counterproductive to continued communications,” Arshack said in the request.
The filing came after Indian authorities reportedly said they had unearthed cases of tax and other legal violations by U.S. Embassy staff members in New Delhi that they are prepared to make public and act upon if Khobragade’s case is not resolved to India’s satisfaction. Indian officials declined to characterize their plans as a threat. But “it could all come out in the open like a can of worms,” one senior official, who was not authorized to speak openly to the news media on the matter, was quoted as saying.
“What we have is a wide array of issues that are under the scanner. Each aspect will be proceeded on with due care, if we have to,” the official said. Among the alleged irregularities, the senior official mentioned the sale by U.S. diplomats of duty-free alcohol and other goods to those who are not legally entitled to them and the employment of diplomatic spouses without the necessary papers or tax filings.
The visa fraud case concerning Khobragade’s housekeeper and the circumstances surrounding the diplomat’s arrest have stirred strong reactions in India and resulted in retaliatory steps.

No Movies for Americans...
On Friday, India asked the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi to stop screening movies at the American Center there unless the proper licenses and certificates from Indian censors are obtained.

Indian diplomat asks for time to file indictment

The children always get their way in the end........

Same here, same there.

gotta laugh with the indians getting their nickers in a twist over this,
if you do the crime, do the time,good on the yanks for sticking it to the indians.
india is a utterly corrupt shit hole so playing the (we are being picked on)card
is laughable, hope the yanks slow down entry visas for them.

New York: The United States prosecutors informed a court here late on Thursday that New York-based Devyani Khobragade, the Indian diplomat, whose arrest in New York sparked an intense row, has left the country as a grand jury unveiled charges of visa fraud and making false statements against her.

Reports suggest that Devyani has left for India after being granted full diplomatic immunity by the US.

“An Indian diplomat, whose arrest over treatment of her servant sparked a bitter row, has left the United States,” US authorities said.

The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) also confirmed that Devyani is on her way back to India and she has been transferred to New Delhi.

As per reports, Devyani who has been given given G1 visa, has left her children behind in the United States. The diplomat has also thanked the Government of India (GoI) and the national media for helping her caue.

Devyani’s lawyer Daniel Arshack has categorically dismissed charges against her and said that she did not make any false statement.

Devyani also said, “I will show my immunity to the court. The court will see that. I have diplomatic immunity. Only then will I leave the US.”

After weeks of escalating tensions between the usually friendly countries, the United States and India reached an agreement in which diplomat Devyani Khobragade left the country but still faces charges if she returns, officials said.

Meanwhile, India today refused the United States' request to waive the diplomatic immunity of senior diplomat Devyani Khobragade after the US accepted her request for UN accreditation, sources said.

Preet Bharara, the US Attorney in Manhattan, whose office is handling the case said, “Indian Diplomat Devyani Khobragade indicted on visa fraud charge. Also indicted by jury for making false statements.”

Bharara further confirmed that Khodragade has been accorded diplomatic immunity.



In an indictment, the grand jury said Khobragade had a contract to pay her Indian servant 30,000 rupees ($573) a month -- in line with wages in India, but well below the US minimum wage.

The indictment said Khobragade, on a temporary work visa form for the servant, listed a monthly pay of $4,500. The indictment said the figure "did not match any actual income" -- not that of the servant or that of Khobragade, after some media reports indicated that prosecutors may have mistakenly looked at the diplomat's salary.




more..........

And the fucking US caves in to the dotheads, decides the bitch actually did have diplomatic immunity, expels her to a heroine's reception in India, and cowers in India's wrath. Maybe Kerry can go there and blow somebody when he's through blowing Jews.

Devyani also said, “I will show my immunity to the court. The court will see that. I have diplomatic immunity. Only then will I leave the US.”


How is it possible that these people don't understand how it works?

Bet she stiffs the Bail bondsman out of his 250k too.....

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

And the fucking US caves in to the dotheads, decides the bitch actually did have diplomatic immunity, expels her to a heroine's reception in India, and cowers in India's wrath. Maybe Kerry can go there and blow somebody when he's through blowing Jews.

Not really, she is still under indictment and technically a fugitive no?
Will she lose her bail for doing a runner?

^Once she's gone, she's gone. The cowardly State Department fags will sweep it quickly under the rug, probably repay the bondsman, and hope that they get their parking spaces and movie nights in Delhi back. Sickening.

indeed, typical American pussy MO

Indictment of bobbing head here... http://http://www.justice.gov/usao/n...Indictment.pdf