London transport chiefs ban 'gay cure' bus advert

[dirtydog]

London transport chiefs ban 'gay cure' bus advert

Transport chiefs have banned an advert which suggested gay people could be cured.

The campaign, mimicking an initiative by pro-gay group Stonewall, claimed therapy could change sexual orientation and had been due to run on London buses from next week.

But Transport for London (TfL) has now confirmed the adverts have been scrapped after an outcry.

Core Issues Trust, the group behind the adverts, said it was censorship.

TfL said the adverts did not reflect a "tolerant and inclusive" London.

A spokeswoman said: "The adverts are not currently running on any London buses and they will not do so."

From 1 April, 1,000 London buses carried adverts promoting equal marriage with the slogan "Some people are gay. Get over it!"

'Correct channels'


The posters, backed by Anglican Mainstream, read: "Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!"

The adverts were reportedly booked for two weeks by the Christian group Core Issues to display on vehicles running on five routes in central London, including top tourist destinations such as St Paul's Cathedral, Oxford Street, Trafalgar Square and Piccadilly Circus.

Stonewall spokesman Andy Wasley said: "It is fantastic that no adverts will be promoting voodoo, gay-cure therapy in London."

Mayor of London Boris Johnson said: "It is clearly offensive to suggest that being gay is an illness that someone recovers from and I am not prepared to have that suggestion driven around London on our buses."

Core Issues co-director Mike Davidson said he did not realise censorship was in place.
He said: "We went through the correct channels and we were encouraged by the bus company to go through their procedures.

"They okayed it and now it has been pulled."

BBC News - London transport chiefs ban 'gay cure' bus advert

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This thread should be like a red rag to a bull if blue reads it!

I wonder if he's linked to the Core Issues Xtian group wanting gays "cured"?

This crowd may have a "magic bullet", like penicillin, or dead chickens, or something like that.

[CaptainNemo]

Not very "tolerant and inclusive" of TfL was it.

Gayism has become like a religion where scientific challenge and questioning is not only not tolerated, but treated as blasphemy.

Mayor of London Boris Johnson said: "It is clearly offensive to suggest that being gay is an illness that someone recovers from and I am not prepared to have that suggestion driven around London on our buses."

No it isn't. It's clearly offensive that people can be censored from suggesting that it's an illness in a supposedly liberal democracy. If the case for Gayness not being an illness is so strong, then it doesn't need protecting from a competing viewpoint.

[brisie]

I don't get it. Are stonewall a company that sell public toilet seat covers?
Why else would you spend money on advertising this shit.

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The scientific basis to the assertion that someone is born gay and that being so is not a choice, but a predetermined condition in some.


Homosexuality effects from 8% to 15% of all males and slightly less for females. To put this in context, there are as many gays and lesbians in America today (2011) as there are unemployed citizens. Most carry the burdon of hiding their sexual identity for fear of being disrespected or mistreated by the general population who remain ignorant to the causes and circumstances of homosexuality. This is puzzling in light of the plethora of investigative work that has been done on the phenomenon.

A Review of Scientific Research on Homosexuality

In 1959 a report was published with the title, "Organizing action of prenatally administered testosterone propionate on the tissues mediating mating behavior in the female guinea pig" by Charles H. Phoenix, Robert W. Goy, Arnold A. Gerall, and William C. Young [6]. This was one of those "animal studies" -- of interest only to psychologists and neurologists. In 1991, the popular journal, Science, published a paper that revisited the 1959 report and included many more recent studies. Their paper came to the conclusion:

"This finding indicates that INAH [part of the hypothalamus] is dimorphic with sexual orientation, at least in men, and suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate."

A review of current research shows that there is no evidence supporting a social cause for homosexuality [8, 9]. On the contrary, there are multiple studies, both with animals and humans, demonstrating the causative relationship with the pre-natal testosterone during a critical stage in "defeminization".

n 1972, Dr. Ward had no idea that androstendione in male pregnancies would prevent or inhibit the hypothalamus to develop into a healthy male brain, but this stress-related hormone now appears to do just that. The brain makes its gender commitment very early in development and, once committed to either male or female, it can not change.

What science knows about homosexuality

[VocalNeal]

Core Issues Trust

The CORE vision seeks to uphold Biblical standards and values and appropriate ethical principles in contemporary society.

[harrybarracuda]

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That's most of the women in Thailand over the age of 16,...er14?.....12?

[Mid]

blue ???

[socal]

blue ???

Blue isn't the only one not doing a dance on the gay bandwagon like the rest of you sick fag apologists.

[khmen]

blue ???

Blue isn't the only one not doing a dance on the gay bandwagon like the rest of you sick fag apologists.

Says the ladyboy-hanger-outer.

What a strange individual, if you weren't so fucking hilariously daft as fuck you'd be pitiful!

Keep it up sailor! Ooo-err!

[nigelandjan]

blue ???

Blue isn't the only one not doing a dance on the gay bandwagon like the rest of you sick fag apologists.

Says the ladyboy-hanger-outer.

What a strange individual, if you weren't so fucking hilariously daft as fuck you'd be pitiful!

Keep it up sailor! Ooo-err!

A Brummie Popeye ??

[socal]

blue ???

Blue isn't the only one not doing a dance on the gay bandwagon like the rest of you sick fag apologists.

Says the ladyboy-hanger-outer.

What a strange individual, if you weren't so fucking hilariously daft as fuck you'd be pitiful!

Keep it up sailor! Ooo-err!

leave me out of this..

what compels you to stick up for homosexuals ?

[Sailing into trouble]

blue ???

Blue isn't the only one not doing a dance on the gay bandwagon like the rest of you sick fag apologists.

Thought you had a thing about Ladyboys?

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He's not taken the bite yet, the homophobe thread took away all his jism.

[Kurgen]

The best cure would be to load the poofs onto buses and drive them off cliffs.

[DrAndy]

Gayism has become like a religion where scientific challenge and questioning is not only not tolerated, but treated as blasphemy.

nonsense; if there was a scientific challenge, based on real scientific data, then it would be discussed

Homosexuality effects from 8% to 15% of all males and slightly less for females

I love your quotes

homosexuality affects many more people than that, even you as you are discussing it

[harrybarracuda]

Gayism has become like a religion where scientific challenge and questioning is not only not tolerated, but treated as blasphemy.

nonsense; if there was a scientific challenge, based on real scientific data, then it would be discussed

Homosexuality effects from 8% to 15% of all males and slightly less for females

I love your quotes

homosexuality affects many more people than that, even you as you are discussing it

Doesn't really matter if it's genetic or a choice, as long as the uphill gardeners keep it to themselves it's no-one elses business.

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Doesn't really matter if it's genetic or a choice, as long as the uphill gardeners keep it to themselves it's no-one elses business.

Exactly my sentiments too.

[CaptainNemo]

Gayism has become like a religion where scientific challenge and questioning is not only not tolerated, but treated as blasphemy.

nonsense; if there was a scientific challenge, based on real scientific data, then it would be discussed

You reckon? Do you not think for a minute that the endless political lobbying on APA members to vote on its status in DSM during the 70s has had no toxic politicising effect? Now with years of money going into the campaigning machine, how easy do you think it might be to put any kind of research proposal that remotely questioned any aspect of the foundations of the new dogma, without damaging your research career - never mind how impossible it would be to get funding.

It's naive to suppose that the politicisation of science research (most obviously social science-related research) is something that only happened in the past, and couldn't possibly happen now because we're all oh so modern.
The other fallacy (appeal to authority and blinding with science) is the notion that just because some kind of research gets published, that it's automatically converted into axiomatic fact.
Science is a process, not a destination; but in some fields, the political climate is such that even asking some questions can be taboo, regardless of whether it's scientifically justified or not - and that doesn't just relate to this particular area, there are others too, in different contexts.

There are Galileos in every generation.

Are you a real PhD or just a quack?

The point in question on this thread is one of freedom of expression.
The imbeciles who think it's about to silence one side of the argument, are the same imbeciles who want to silence the other side of the argument.
I would be quite happy for the Pink Panthers to put billboards proposing that heterosexuality is curable, because I'm confident in the position of what I regard as normality. This belies the real issue, is that those who want to ban the advert, are afraid that their position will be undermined by it.
The only recourse of the Gayists is prevent expression; prevent challenge; prevent discussion: QED.

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The only recourse of the Gayists is prevent expression; prevent challenge; prevent discussion: QED.

Not so.

Some of their strategy is to prevent challenge to their expression of anti-gay sentitment.
Some of their strategy is in promoting gayness.

Being "gay", a sexio-social position, is a choice, is a political choice.

Being homosexually inclined is a biological condition.

Homosexuals have a right to be so, they have no biological choice.

The fact that homosexuals, male or female, are determined to be so during gestation, is a proven fact.

[DrAndy]

The best cure would be to load the poofs onto buses and drive them off cliffs

who would do the driving as "poofs" can't drive like real men

[Cujo]

The best cure would be to load the poofs onto buses and drive them off cliffs

who would do the driving as "poofs" can't drive like real men

That takes care of the 'off the cliffs' part of the equation then.

[Mr Gribbs]

Fuck the British and their promotion of faggotry. As a Ugandan guy said, we've always had faggots, but we've never celebrated them.

[Cujo]

Fuck the British and their promotion of faggotry. As a Ugandan guy said, we've always had faggots, but we've never celebrated them.

What Ugandan guy?