Thread: Unarmed black teenager was shot by neighbourhood watch volunteer

^^^Oh I see , every one who gets mugged with violence the attacker and victim are well acquainted with each other , all the more reason to attack some one if they do not know who you are ,and as stated earlier why should Z attack him when he;s he's carrying a sidearm? It just does not make any sense

^^ yeah, all that indicates Zim got his ass handed to him. Are you simple?

Lets game it out.
If a guy looking like Zim with no legal authority or ID grabbed you or otherwise tried to physically restrain you from going about your lawful business, when you were in a strange neighborhood what would your reaction be Koman?

I know what mine would be if you touched or grabbed me.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Are you saying that Zimmerman didnt get injured or that Zimmerman lost a fight ?
Or that Zimmerman lost a fight wothout getting injured ?

Sorry, I didn't realise English wasn't your first language.

Zimmerman's injuries were insignificant. The medical report is there for you read.

Unless you think he injured himself, you can assume Martin gave him a slap or two and he went down.

You can also assume this is the point at which he shot Martin. There is no evidence to suggest that Martin "went for his gun".

And I am still interested in the following unanswered question: "Zimmerman’s account that he had placed Martin’s arms out to his sides after the shooting contradicts a photo taken after the shooting that shows Martin’s arms under his body."

Actually I think I've just solved the question of who was shouting "Help!": Both of them.

What's the betting Zimmerman was squealing "Help Help" while this 17 year old was bitch slapping him. Then Martin did a pisstake "Help Help" and Zimmerman shot him out of rage.

It would explain why both mothers claimed they heard their respective sons squealing.

I should be a lawyer, I'm good at this shit.

^Under Florida law if you bag a teenager legally you are allowed to pose him as you like.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^^ yeah, all that indicates Zim got his ass handed to him. Are you simple?

Lets game it out.
If a guy looking like Zim with no legal authority or ID grabbed you or otherwise tried to physically restrain you from going about your lawful business, when you were in a strange neighborhood what would your reaction be Koman?

I know what mine would be if you touched or grabbed me.

For the third time why should Z want to physically restrain him and start a fight when he's carrying a sidearm ? .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Fluke

Are you saying that Zimmerman didnt get injured or that Zimmerman lost a fight ?
Or that Zimmerman lost a fight wothout getting injured ?

Sorry, I didn't realise English wasn't your first language.

Zimmerman's injuries were insignificant. The medical report is there for you read.

Unless you think he injured himself, you can assume Martin gave him a slap or two and he went down.

You can also assume this is the point at which he shot Martin. There is no evidence to suggest that Martin "went for his gun".

And I am still interested in the following unanswered question: "Zimmerman’s account that he had placed Martin’s arms out to his sides after the shooting contradicts a photo taken after the shooting that shows Martin’s arms under his body."

Actually I think I've just solved the question of who was shouting "Help!": Both of them.

What's the betting Zimmerman was squealing "Help Help" while this 17 year old was bitch slapping him. Then Martin did a pisstake "Help Help" and Zimmerman shot him out of rage.

It would explain why both mothers claimed they heard their respective sons squealing.

I should be a lawyer, I'm good at this shit.

If you were any good at "this shit" , then you would indeed be a Lawyer , But as you arent any good at "this shit" is the reason why you are NOT a Lawyer

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ that's about the stupidest thing I have ever read.
The world is dumber for you having posted it.

Just saying that you cannot logically dispute what a person says was said during an incident when they are the only living person left who heard what was said .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ that's about the stupidest thing I have ever read.
The world is dumber for you having posted it.

Just saying that you cannot logically dispute what a person says was said during an incident when they are the only living person left who heard what was said .

WTF? Of course you can.

If I said to you I just saw a glowing purple spacecraft from Neptune get eaten by a T-Rex, you wouldn't dispute it?

Duh.

Originally Posted by Fluke

If you were any good at "this shit" , then you would indeed be a Lawyer , But as you arent any good at "this shit" is the reason why you are NOT a Lawyer

Well I'm better at it than that shit prosecution team, that's for sure.

If I'd been on the case, Zimmerman's cellmates would already be lighting up the post-coital lucky strikes.

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida
Monday, 15 July 2013 13:26
By The Daily Take, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed

George Zimmerman kept close watch over his neighborhood.
When Black men walked or even drove through the area, he alerted the police, over and over and over again.
Finally, exasperated that “they always” got away, he went out on a rainy night armed with a loaded gun and the Stand Your Ground law, looking for anybody who should not be in his largely White neighborhood.

The South has a long history of this sort of thing. Today they’re called Neighborhood Watches. They used to be called Slave Patrols.
Prior to the Civil War and Reconstruction, the main way Southern states maintained the institution of slavery was through local and statewide militias, also known as “Slave Patrols.” These Patrols were, in many states, required monthly duty for southern white men between the ages of 17 and 47, be they slave-owners or not.

Slave patrollers traveled, usually on horseback [the modern equivalent would be in a car], through the countryside looking for African-Americans who were “not where they belong.” When the patrollers found Black people in places where they “did not belong,” punishment ranged from beatings, to repatriation to their slave owners, to death by being whipped, hung or shot.

Some of the most comprehensive reports on the nature and extent of the Slave Patrols came from interviews done by the WPA (the Works Progress Administration, a New Deal program created by FDR) during the Great Depression. At that time, former slaves and the children of former slaves were still alive and had stories to tell, and the WPA put people to work in the American South gathering and documenting those stories.
The WPA’s Georgia Writers Project, Savannah Unit, produced a brilliant summary of stories taken from people who were alive (most as children) during the time of slavery, about their and their families interactions with slave patrollers. The report’s title was “Drums and Shadows: survival stories among the Georgia coastal Negroes,”

Many other oral and written histories compiled by the WPA Writers Project are now maintained by the library of Congress.
Dozens of other similar reports, as well as detailed state-by-state studies of slave patrols, even including membership rosters, are published in Sally E. Hadden’s brilliant book “Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas.”

Hadden cites numerous stories and scores of sources about how the slave patrollers would beat, whip, or otherwise abuse African-Americans who were found off the plantation. Women were routinely subjected to rape, and men were usually beaten with sticks or whips. Hadden writes of the stories compiled by the WPA:

“Slaves might beg to be left out of a whipping from the patrol, hoping that mercy or caprice might avert a beating. Patrollers sometimes toyed with a slave, threatening a whipping, then let the slaves go free. The inherent arbitrariness of punishment added to the fear most slaves felt when they encountered slave patrols.”

“One former bondsmen [slave], Alex Woods, recalled how a patrol reacted to a begging slave. He said that the patrollers ‘wouldn't allow [slaves] to call on de Lord when dey were wippin’ ‘em but they let ‘em say, “Oh! pray, Oh! pray, marster.”’
“The harsh punishment a patrol could administer caused one former slave to like meeting the patrol with being sold to a new master – a slave would seek to avoid both fates at any cost. Few things compared to the agony a slave endured from a patroller beating. One ex-slave from South Carolina recalled what people heard when she was born: her mother ‘screamed as if she were being beaten by patrollers.’”
The National Humanities Center reprinted an 1857 account by Austin Steward, who escaped slavery in 1813. Titled “Slaves and Slave Patrol,” Steward opens the account with this summary:

“Slaves are never allowed to leave the plantation to which they belong, without a written pass. Should anyone venture to disobey this law, he will most likely be caught by the patrol and given thirty-nine lashes. This patrol is always on duty every Sunday, going to each plantation under their supervision, entering every slave cabin, and examining closely the conduct of the slaves; and if they find one slave from another plantation without a pass, he is immediately punished with a severe flogging.”

He then goes on to tell several harrowing stories of personal encounters with the slave patrol, including one that led to the death of six slaves, and reprints the North Carolina Slave Patrol regulations as follows:

SLAVE PATROL REGULATIONS, ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA, 1825
1st. Patrols shall be appointed, at least four in each Captain's district.
2d. It shall be their duty, for two of their number, at least, to patrol their respective districts once in every week; in failure thereof, they shall be subject to the penalties prescribed by law.
3d. They shall have power to inflict corporal punishment, if two be present agreeing thereto.
4th. One patroller shall have power to seize any negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller, or otherwise unlawfully or suspiciously; and hold such slave in custody until he can bring together a requisite number of Patrollers to act in the business.
5th. Previous to entering on their duties, Patrols shall call on some acting magistrate, and take the following oath, to wit: "I, A. B. appointed one of the Patrol by the County Court of Rowan, for Captain B's company, do hereby swear, that I will faithfully execute the duties of a Patroller, to the best of my ability, according to law and the regulations of the County Court.”

The National Humanities Center has many other similar reports in its archives.

Slave Patrols were a regular feature of the South, from its first settlement by slave-owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction.
When slavery was abolished, but Whites in the South still wanted to keep Blacks “in their place,” the Slave Patrols were largely replaced by (or simply renamed as) the KKK, small-town sheriffs, stop-and-frisk policies, and, apparently, “Neighborhood Watch.”

Slave Patrollers rarely stopped or molested white people. But when Blacks were found in unexpected places, they could expect a swift and severe punishment.
And the legal systems of the South, largely without exception, backed up the Slave Patrollers and their post-reconstruction heirs.
It appears that the more things change - at least in the deep South - the more they stay the same.

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida

^^

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Zimmerman's injuries were insignificant. The medical report is there for you read.

And that's what a jury of his peers did!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida
Monday, 15 July 2013 13:26
By The Daily Take, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed

George Zimmerman kept close watch over his neighborhood.
When Black men walked or even drove through the area, he alerted the police, over and over and over again.
Finally, exasperated that “they always” got away, he went out on a rainy night armed with a loaded gun and the Stand Your Ground law, looking for anybody who should not be in his largely White neighborhood.

The South has a long history of this sort of thing. Today they’re called Neighborhood Watches. They used to be called Slave Patrols.
Prior to the Civil War and Reconstruction, the main way Southern states maintained the institution of slavery was through local and statewide militias, also known as “Slave Patrols.” These Patrols were, in many states, required monthly duty for southern white men between the ages of 17 and 47, be they slave-owners or not.

Slave patrollers traveled, usually on horseback [the modern equivalent would be in a car], through the countryside looking for African-Americans who were “not where they belong.” When the patrollers found Black people in places where they “did not belong,” punishment ranged from beatings, to repatriation to their slave owners, to death by being whipped, hung or shot.

Some of the most comprehensive reports on the nature and extent of the Slave Patrols came from interviews done by the WPA (the Works Progress Administration, a New Deal program created by FDR) during the Great Depression. At that time, former slaves and the children of former slaves were still alive and had stories to tell, and the WPA put people to work in the American South gathering and documenting those stories.
The WPA’s Georgia Writers Project, Savannah Unit, produced a brilliant summary of stories taken from people who were alive (most as children) during the time of slavery, about their and their families interactions with slave patrollers. The report’s title was “Drums and Shadows: survival stories among the Georgia coastal Negroes,”

Many other oral and written histories compiled by the WPA Writers Project are now maintained by the library of Congress.
Dozens of other similar reports, as well as detailed state-by-state studies of slave patrols, even including membership rosters, are published in Sally E. Hadden’s brilliant book “Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas.”

Hadden cites numerous stories and scores of sources about how the slave patrollers would beat, whip, or otherwise abuse African-Americans who were found off the plantation. Women were routinely subjected to rape, and men were usually beaten with sticks or whips. Hadden writes of the stories compiled by the WPA:

“Slaves might beg to be left out of a whipping from the patrol, hoping that mercy or caprice might avert a beating. Patrollers sometimes toyed with a slave, threatening a whipping, then let the slaves go free. The inherent arbitrariness of punishment added to the fear most slaves felt when they encountered slave patrols.”

“One former bondsmen [slave], Alex Woods, recalled how a patrol reacted to a begging slave. He said that the patrollers ‘wouldn't allow [slaves] to call on de Lord when dey were wippin’ ‘em but they let ‘em say, “Oh! pray, Oh! pray, marster.”’
“The harsh punishment a patrol could administer caused one former slave to like meeting the patrol with being sold to a new master – a slave would seek to avoid both fates at any cost. Few things compared to the agony a slave endured from a patroller beating. One ex-slave from South Carolina recalled what people heard when she was born: her mother ‘screamed as if she were being beaten by patrollers.’”
The National Humanities Center reprinted an 1857 account by Austin Steward, who escaped slavery in 1813. Titled “Slaves and Slave Patrol,” Steward opens the account with this summary:

“Slaves are never allowed to leave the plantation to which they belong, without a written pass. Should anyone venture to disobey this law, he will most likely be caught by the patrol and given thirty-nine lashes. This patrol is always on duty every Sunday, going to each plantation under their supervision, entering every slave cabin, and examining closely the conduct of the slaves; and if they find one slave from another plantation without a pass, he is immediately punished with a severe flogging.”

He then goes on to tell several harrowing stories of personal encounters with the slave patrol, including one that led to the death of six slaves, and reprints the North Carolina Slave Patrol regulations as follows:

SLAVE PATROL REGULATIONS, ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA, 1825
1st. Patrols shall be appointed, at least four in each Captain's district.
2d. It shall be their duty, for two of their number, at least, to patrol their respective districts once in every week; in failure thereof, they shall be subject to the penalties prescribed by law.
3d. They shall have power to inflict corporal punishment, if two be present agreeing thereto.
4th. One patroller shall have power to seize any negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller, or otherwise unlawfully or suspiciously; and hold such slave in custody until he can bring together a requisite number of Patrollers to act in the business.
5th. Previous to entering on their duties, Patrols shall call on some acting magistrate, and take the following oath, to wit: "I, A. B. appointed one of the Patrol by the County Court of Rowan, for Captain B's company, do hereby swear, that I will faithfully execute the duties of a Patroller, to the best of my ability, according to law and the regulations of the County Court.”

The National Humanities Center has many other similar reports in its archives.

Slave Patrols were a regular feature of the South, from its first settlement by slave-owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction.
When slavery was abolished, but Whites in the South still wanted to keep Blacks “in their place,” the Slave Patrols were largely replaced by (or simply renamed as) the KKK, small-town sheriffs, stop-and-frisk policies, and, apparently, “Neighborhood Watch.”

Slave Patrollers rarely stopped or molested white people. But when Blacks were found in unexpected places, they could expect a swift and severe punishment.
And the legal systems of the South, largely without exception, backed up the Slave Patrollers and their post-reconstruction heirs.
It appears that the more things change - at least in the deep South - the more they stay the same.

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida

Damn.......if only Zimmerman was White .

Z is white Hispanic, numbskull.

Not if a white man kills one, then it's black.

Round and round it goes, Zimmerman was indited for murder because. On a dark rainy night he got in his car saw a black child. He got out and stalked his victim like a deer. When in position Zim fired from 2 meters away, killing an angelic black kid off 11 years old. A kid the President of the USA would have liked as a son.

A right wing bigoted jury acquitted him, these are the facts, all that stuff called evidence don't count, Zimmernan should fry. Jim

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Zimmerman's injuries were insignificant. The medical report is there for you read.

And that's what a jury of his peers did!

I think it was the sight of O'Mara gently laying down the black dummy for a bit of man love that did it.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Z is white Hispanic, numbskull.

No it isnt , The USA has two different racial categorys, one is White American and the other is Hispanic White , White and Hispanic White are two different things .

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Round and round it goes, Zimmerman was indited for murder because. On a dark rainy night he got in his car saw a black child. He got out and stalked his victim like a deer. When in position Zim fired from 2 meters away, killing an angelic black kid off 11 years old. A kid the President of the USA would have liked as a son.

A right wing bigoted jury acquitted him, these are the facts, all that stuff called evidence don't count, Zimmernan should fry. Jim

Yeah quite true Jim obviously a cold blooded murder with racist undertones and although Zimmerman was packing a piece of hardware, he chose to attack a guy far bigger than himself of which he had his head smashed into the concrete and his face pummeled to make it more convincing to the jury of Ultra right wing sympathizers that he acted in self defense , totally ridiculous and I agree with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson plus the baying black mob who was paid for by the tax payer that Zimmerman should (in the interests of justice) have been found Guilty and burn

florida 'stand your ground' laws exonerate him on all counts . theyre playing the black card as usual ,such as the Michael Jackson case when he in fact killed himself .
and the doc was put away .
he is a spic so why the racism charge .

Yeah its true ya know according to the left wing intelligentsia only whites are capable of racism and the thousands of black on white murders in the US are for some other reason ,anything but brand them as racists as they do not comprehend what the word means , and "cracker" , "Whitey" and "honky" are just words to describe us and are certainly not racist in any shape or form Interesting link and video which of course cannot be correct as it points out a few home truths Black Kills Whites to

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida
Monday, 15 July 2013 13:26
By The Daily Take, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed

George Zimmerman kept close watch over his neighborhood.
When Black men walked or even drove through the area, he alerted the police, over and over and over again.
Finally, exasperated that “they always” got away, he went out on a rainy night armed with a loaded gun and the Stand Your Ground law, looking for anybody who should not be in his largely White neighborhood.

The South has a long history of this sort of thing. Today they’re called Neighborhood Watches. They used to be called Slave Patrols.
Prior to the Civil War and Reconstruction, the main way Southern states maintained the institution of slavery was through local and statewide militias, also known as “Slave Patrols.” These Patrols were, in many states, required monthly duty for southern white men between the ages of 17 and 47, be they slave-owners or not.

Slave patrollers traveled, usually on horseback [the modern equivalent would be in a car], through the countryside looking for African-Americans who were “not where they belong.” When the patrollers found Black people in places where they “did not belong,” punishment ranged from beatings, to repatriation to their slave owners, to death by being whipped, hung or shot.

Some of the most comprehensive reports on the nature and extent of the Slave Patrols came from interviews done by the WPA (the Works Progress Administration, a New Deal program created by FDR) during the Great Depression. At that time, former slaves and the children of former slaves were still alive and had stories to tell, and the WPA put people to work in the American South gathering and documenting those stories.
The WPA’s Georgia Writers Project, Savannah Unit, produced a brilliant summary of stories taken from people who were alive (most as children) during the time of slavery, about their and their families interactions with slave patrollers. The report’s title was “Drums and Shadows: survival stories among the Georgia coastal Negroes,”

Many other oral and written histories compiled by the WPA Writers Project are now maintained by the library of Congress.
Dozens of other similar reports, as well as detailed state-by-state studies of slave patrols, even including membership rosters, are published in Sally E. Hadden’s brilliant book “Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas.”

Hadden cites numerous stories and scores of sources about how the slave patrollers would beat, whip, or otherwise abuse African-Americans who were found off the plantation. Women were routinely subjected to rape, and men were usually beaten with sticks or whips. Hadden writes of the stories compiled by the WPA:

“Slaves might beg to be left out of a whipping from the patrol, hoping that mercy or caprice might avert a beating. Patrollers sometimes toyed with a slave, threatening a whipping, then let the slaves go free. The inherent arbitrariness of punishment added to the fear most slaves felt when they encountered slave patrols.”

“One former bondsmen [slave], Alex Woods, recalled how a patrol reacted to a begging slave. He said that the patrollers ‘wouldn't allow [slaves] to call on de Lord when dey were wippin’ ‘em but they let ‘em say, “Oh! pray, Oh! pray, marster.”’
“The harsh punishment a patrol could administer caused one former slave to like meeting the patrol with being sold to a new master – a slave would seek to avoid both fates at any cost. Few things compared to the agony a slave endured from a patroller beating. One ex-slave from South Carolina recalled what people heard when she was born: her mother ‘screamed as if she were being beaten by patrollers.’”
The National Humanities Center reprinted an 1857 account by Austin Steward, who escaped slavery in 1813. Titled “Slaves and Slave Patrol,” Steward opens the account with this summary:

“Slaves are never allowed to leave the plantation to which they belong, without a written pass. Should anyone venture to disobey this law, he will most likely be caught by the patrol and given thirty-nine lashes. This patrol is always on duty every Sunday, going to each plantation under their supervision, entering every slave cabin, and examining closely the conduct of the slaves; and if they find one slave from another plantation without a pass, he is immediately punished with a severe flogging.”

He then goes on to tell several harrowing stories of personal encounters with the slave patrol, including one that led to the death of six slaves, and reprints the North Carolina Slave Patrol regulations as follows:

SLAVE PATROL REGULATIONS, ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA, 1825
1st. Patrols shall be appointed, at least four in each Captain's district.
2d. It shall be their duty, for two of their number, at least, to patrol their respective districts once in every week; in failure thereof, they shall be subject to the penalties prescribed by law.
3d. They shall have power to inflict corporal punishment, if two be present agreeing thereto.
4th. One patroller shall have power to seize any negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller, or otherwise unlawfully or suspiciously; and hold such slave in custody until he can bring together a requisite number of Patrollers to act in the business.
5th. Previous to entering on their duties, Patrols shall call on some acting magistrate, and take the following oath, to wit: "I, A. B. appointed one of the Patrol by the County Court of Rowan, for Captain B's company, do hereby swear, that I will faithfully execute the duties of a Patroller, to the best of my ability, according to law and the regulations of the County Court.”

The National Humanities Center has many other similar reports in its archives.

Slave Patrols were a regular feature of the South, from its first settlement by slave-owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction.
When slavery was abolished, but Whites in the South still wanted to keep Blacks “in their place,” the Slave Patrols were largely replaced by (or simply renamed as) the KKK, small-town sheriffs, stop-and-frisk policies, and, apparently, “Neighborhood Watch.”

Slave Patrollers rarely stopped or molested white people. But when Blacks were found in unexpected places, they could expect a swift and severe punishment.
And the legal systems of the South, largely without exception, backed up the Slave Patrollers and their post-reconstruction heirs.
It appears that the more things change - at least in the deep South - the more they stay the same.

Zimmerman Verdict: The Slave Patrol Is Alive and Well in Florida

Damn.......if only Zimmerman was White .

Exactly.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Yeah its true ya know according to the left wing intelligentsia only whites are capable of racism and the thousands of black on white murders in the US are for some other reason ,anything but brand them as racists as they do not comprehend what the word means , and "cracker" , "Whitey" and "honky" are just words to describe us and are certainly not racist in any shape or form Interesting link and video which of course cannot be correct as it points out a few home truths Black Kills Whites to

Maybe it's time to use this thread for examples of black on white crimes where the perp was acquited.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

he had his head smashed into the concrete and his face pummeled

Again: Look at the EMS report. His injuries were minor and not representative of either having his head "smashed into the concrete" or "his face pummeled".

Your argument is somewhat weakened by the drama queen exaggerations.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

he had his head smashed into the concrete and his face pummeled

Again: Look at the EMS report. His injuries were minor and not representative of either having his head "smashed into the concrete" or "his face pummeled".

Your argument is somewhat weakened by the drama queen exaggerations.

So are you suggesting that Zimmerman should have waited until his "slight concussion" turned into permanent brain injury?

(Perhaps thats would you did in the past, which might explain your distorted logic?)

Good Grief!

RickThai