Thread: Gun advocate shot by husband

Andy I much prefer the way your are tonight than when you and Ant get caught up with tsicar or BlackGang. I know it is all in fun, but it doess get old.

Dog I would love to have a BB gun over here. I have a friend comming from the states at the end of the month and am going to see if he can bring me one.

Robuzo I think you and I need to go back to the states and run for either the house or the senate as an independent. There is a movement a foot to only elect new people in the next election. Kick all of the incumbenets out, period. There needs to be an independent on every U.S. house and senate ticket next year. That would be change you can believe in.

DogNuts, if not guns how do the British kill each other. Homicide and suicide happen in all countries but the cause of death is sometimes different. If someone wants to kill themselves or another, they will find a way. Guns do not kill people. People kill people.

DogNuts, your link to NRA Infromation is not an NRA link at all but one for the Violence Policy Center an organization fighting to take away the rights of the American populace to own hand guns. You should read what you link to before adding it to a posting. If you want to do a search, see how many murders, not justifiable homicide, were committed by NRA members. You will be surprised.

Dear Mr BillyBob,

Guns are designed for one thing only, to kill.

You don't own one because they take the dog for a walk.

Ownership means that it is a possibility, or even an intention, to use one at some point. To kill, not to do the dishes, but to kill (or maim, hideously disfigure, whatever). Whether it be in self defense or murder, the reality is that it's a possibility. Don't own one, you can't use it.

Ars Logica. Easily understood so far by, well, anyone.

There's no justification for gun ownership. None. Zip. Nada. Not one iota.

Guns are brutal, unrefined devices....designed to take life.

Your point about people killing and not guns, is rather odd. As guns are not consciously aware, of course it is people who kill. And yes, they do find lots of ways to do it. We are a rather barbaric species at times. Nuclear bombs don't go out and kill people, but really, I doubt you can defend the existence of such things. Should we therefore all be allowed to own a nuke? Heroin doesn't kill people either, it's just a flower....but along come those pesky critters...people...and turn it into a potent drug.

Maybe you're right. We should all abdicate responsibility...and arm the world..just in case, you never know what might happen.

Btw, I'm well aware of the source of the NRA link. That's just how it copied here, I didn't edit it.

And btw, once more....there's no reason to hunt. We have shops.

Finally, I'd point out a well researched link between people who kill animals for sport/fun and psychopathology in humans, but why bother.

There is a county in seppoland where you must carry a handgun - couldn't be fcuked to find a link though

in their Lebanon home.

them crazy muzzies inthe middle east - let them kill each other

More guns = more gun related crime, and more crime overall. USA is a prime example of that.



Luckily, these people had hand guns to protect themselves or else somebody could have got hurt.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

And btw, once more....there's no reason to hunt. We have shops.

Finally, I'd point out a well researched link between people who kill animals for sport/fun and psychopathology in humans, but why bother.

Unless you are advocating vegetarianism and oppose the wearing of leather, it is hypocritical to criticize people who hunt or fish with the intention of eating their prey (trophy hunting is a different matter- contemptible and childish). There are some aboriginal peoples who are accomplished hunters but think that the practice of raising an animal, like a member of the group as it were, only to kill and eat it later is bizarre and depraved. I've always thought they had a point.

From the poem "Mornings on the Farm" by Dennis Ward Stiles:

Cattle and hogs with needs
keen as our own
waited, eager but wary
even as we fed them.

We were killers with a handout.
They felt our hurry
and the hint of death in it.

BillyBobThai, you must feel quite unsafe here in Thailand without a gun. I mean you could be done in almost any day. You better get yourself a gun before all your welath is taken from you or worse. Most long termers here end up taking a bullet sooner or later. Without easy access to guns, we have little hope. Try the blackmarket if you get desperate

Originally Posted by robuzo

people were a lot more polite when it was legal for everyone to carry a pistol. I thought he had a point

What do you call a mad Oirishman with a gun??


























Sir.

Originally Posted by BillyBobThai

Our founding fathers saw the need for the populace to be armed and wrote it into law.

Actually, your founding fathers copied an old English law that saw the need for a standing militia. The fact that the law has been twisted to feed America's gun-habit seems to be lost on most of you.

BTW, the UK repealed that law a while ago as it was correctly deemed unnecessary in a 1st world country in modern times.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

And btw, once more....there's no reason to hunt. We have shops.

Finally, I'd point out a well researched link between people who kill animals for sport/fun and psychopathology in humans, but why bother.

Unless you are advocating vegetarianism and oppose the wearing of leather, it is hypocritical to criticize people who hunt or fish with the intention of eating their prey (trophy hunting is a different matter- contemptible and childish). There are some aboriginal peoples who are accomplished hunters but think that the practice of raising an animal, like a member of the group as it were, only to kill and eat it later is bizarre and depraved. I've always thought they had a point.

From the poem "Mornings on the Farm" by Dennis Ward Stiles:

Cattle and hogs with needs
keen as our own
waited, eager but wary
even as we fed them.

We were killers with a handout.
They felt our hurry
and the hint of death in it.

That's why I said for "sport/fun". No objections to those that hunt to live. Necessity and all that.

But some big fat American in his pickup, roaming around the countryside, shooting indiscriminately at anything with a pulse and getting a stonking woody whilst at it...well, I'm sure you can see the difference...

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by BillyBobThai

Our founding fathers saw the need for the populace to be armed and wrote it into law.

Actually, your founding fathers copied an old English law that saw the need for a standing militia. The fact that the law has been twisted to feed America's gun-habit seems to be lost on most of you.

BTW, the UK repealed that law a while ago as it was correctly deemed unnecessary in a 1st world country in modern times.

The gun-nut reading of the Second Amendment is perverse. It's as if they are pretending not to know what "well-regulated militia" means. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That's "the People" with a definite article, not "persons" or "individuals".

when I owned a hand gun, it never got used

so that was $200 just sitting in a drawer, very frustrating just waiting for a burglar

Originally Posted by robuzo

Extremely doubtful, as in no fucking way.

ok

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^ A little snippet from that:

"The last gun homicide, in 1986, involved two young men from out of state who were staying at a local motel. "A little alcohol," Chief Wilson recalls, "had something to do with it. They were daring one another to shoot each other, so one of them did.""

Originally Posted by Dan

involved two young men from out of state

those nasty foriegners are always besmirching the good image

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by robuzo

Extremely doubtful, as in no fucking way.

ok

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"Requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun" is, while idiotic and downright crazy, not the same as "must carry a handgun"; Georgia actually has stricter conceal and carry laws than some other states. There was also a similar ordinance in a Tennessee town, in fact I think the Georgia one is a copycat.

"Georgia" is American for "Queensland."