Bullets and myths and shite

[The Gentleman Scamp]

I have a mate who's an Aussie hellraiser, Gordy - he started drinking at mid-day yesterday and has found himself a balaclava and a red T-Shirt and is going into town to throw rocks at the police, something he has wanted to do since his first day in Thailand. I am tempted to go and film him but he's gone already, hope he's gonna be okay.

[kingwilly]

I have a split-personality, one of whom's an Aussie hellraiser, Gordy - he started drinking at mid-day yesterday and has found himself a balaclava and a red T-Shirt and is going into town to throw rocks at the police, something he has wanted to do since his first day in Thailand. I am tempted to go and film him but since he's me I cannae do it, same problem Clarke Kent and Superman had, hope he's gonna be okay.

cock.

[baldrick]

I guess I'm the only one taking note of the fact

no - it's probably the fact that you have half the board on ignore.

[Gerbil]

or else it means that a few hundred rounds will be coming down in the city somewhere

relatively harmless that. I saw a mythbusters episode about bullets fired into the air.

[watterinja]

^ Try asking that one in Mexico City. Kills people if they land on someone. Come down almost as fast as they left the muzzle - allowing for slight reduction due to air-friction.

[dirtydog]

A falling object reaches a max speed of 120mph? Bullets go a bit faster than that?

[Mid]

wrong thread , appoligies

[Thetyim]

Come down almost as fast as they left the muzzle - allowing for slight reduction due to air-friction.

Yes, dear

[Thetyim]

A falling object reaches a max speed of 120mph? Bullets go a bit faster than that?

I thought it was 132mph
but yes in that region

[Gerbil]

^ Try asking that one in Mexico City. Kills people if they land on someone. Come down almost as fast as they left the muzzle - allowing for slight reduction due to air-friction.

Nope. It's a myth. Try watching the episode.

You might find news reports of this happening, but there has never been a verified medical case anywhere in the world of someone killed by a falling bullet.

[dirtydog]

^They wouldn't call it a falling bullet though, just a foking bullet

[Gerbil]

A falling object reaches a max speed of 120mph? Bullets go a bit faster than that?

Yes and they tumble as they fall, so they dont reach the same velocity as an equivalent 'streamlined' shape falling from the same altitude.

[Thetyim]

You might find news reports of this happening, but there has never been a verified medical case anywhere in the world of someone killed by a falling bullet.

According to the article, doctors at King/Drew Medical Center, a major L.A. trauma center, published a report in a medical journal (Journal of Trauma, December 1994) saying that between 1985 and 1992 they treated 118 people for falling bullet injuries around New Year's Eve or the Fourth of July. Thirty-eight of the victims died.

[Gerbil]

^They wouldn't call it a falling bullet though, just a foking bullet

Well plenty of verified reports of that of course.

[Gerbil]

You might find news reports of this happening, but there has never been a verified medical case anywhere in the world of someone killed by a falling bullet.

According to the article, doctors at King/Drew Medical Center, a major L.A. trauma center, published a report in a medical journal (Journal of Trauma, December 1994) saying that between 1985 and 1992 they treated 118 people for falling bullet injuries around New Year's Eve or the Fourth of July. Thirty-eight of the victims died.

Congratulations. You've done a better job of research than they did. A job awaits. However this is LA where quite a lot of lead is flying around on a daily basis.

[watterinja]

A falling object reaches a max speed of 120mph? Bullets go a bit faster than that?

Who ever proved that to be true? Utter rubbish.

There are many news articles every year recounting what happens when these falling bullets hit people - many die as a consequence.

[Gerbil]

Who ever proved that to be true? Utter rubbish.

Season 4 Episode 7. Should be a torrent around somewhere.

[watterinja]

^ It's still rubbish as it defies the laws of physics & most useful engineering research.

So, a space-station breaks up, enters earth's atmosphere & all you have to worry about is a terminal velocity of 120-132 km/h? A joke, surely...

[Thetyim]

^
Nope
terminal velocity of a sky diver is 120 MPH

terminal velocity of a falling bullet can be as high as 300mph
(it has to be large calibre to kill someone)

[watterinja]

^
Nope
terminal velocity of a sky diver is 120 MPH

terminal velocity of a falling bullet can be as high as 300mph
(it has to be large calibre to kill someone)

A sky-diver - in what body position? Let him streamline his position & then what?

Do all bullets wobble as they come down? (Easy answer - actually)

[Gerbil]

So, a space-station breaks up, enters earth's atmosphere & all you have to worry about is a terminal velocity of 120-132 km/h? A joke, surely...

No. Seeing as you're talking about a starting orbital velocity of 20,000 to 30,000 MP/H in that case.

Terminal velocity is the maximum rate of fall achieved by an object from acceleration due to gravity, faling through air (at standard atmospheric pressure).

If the atmosphere was thick enough then even your falling spacestation would *decelerate* (due to air resistance) to a maximum of that speed (or burn up first).

A bullet fired upwards must come to a complete stop (or rather lose all vertical momentum) before starting to fall.

A bullet fired on a parabolic trajectory will still have forward momentum as it starts to fall, but it too becomes unstable and starts to tumble, which slows it drastically, so that it's trajectory is not a perfect parabola and towards the end of it, basically just falls out of the sky.

[watterinja]

^^ Someone's dreaming, I'm afraid. Those arguments are myths in themselves. Really.

Will ALL bullets tumble & if so, why?
Do ALL bullets tumble when they are fired? If not, why not?

[good2bhappy]

^ the govt isn't going to show any bodies come on!

[dirtydog]

Depending on weather conditions and elavation a bullet will start falling at 100 to 200 meters, ie a .357 will fall about 25cm at 200 meters if fired in a straight trajectory, but will still have a lot of its initial speed, therefore that falling bullet would most likely kill you or rip a limb off

[Loy Toy]

^ the govt isn't going to show any bodies come on!

Probably dispose of them like they did in 1991 by dropping them out of Military planes over the Thai/ Burmese border!