Female Genital Cutting

[DrAndy]

I wonder if Satu, Dua, Tiga would have the same effect.

I had a kitty called "tigga"

I don't have any suggestions for kitty names, but I believe your Missus' lips are delightful

yes, they look nice

very full lips as opposed to almost no lips.

Do Muslim women still practice circumcision in Indon? I went out with a girl who had her lips reduced

[kingwilly]

I think we need another thread on Mrs KW. It will of course need a lot more pics.

oh geez, that could get me in a world of trouble.

Do Muslim women still practice circumcision in Indon?

yes, but its not the same as the African version, in fact MrsKW was circumcised, but only ceremonial, no cutting occurred, though they do call it 'cutting'

[The Fresh Prince]

MrsKW was circumcised,

I understand she had no 'cutting' but when they do cut, what do the cut?

I hope your not gonna say "Chop their flaps off"

[kingwilly]

we could probably do another thread on this, I recall reading about it awhile back, there is 4 types of female circumcision.

1. the whole horrible thing mainly prevalent in subSaharan africa where they do cut all of it off (lips and clitoris) and sew it back up.

2. the lips are trimmed slightly.

3. ?? cannot remember.

4. ceremonial cut or knife is just touched to the clitoris but no lasting damage is done.

[kingwilly]

^ not 100% correct, I just checked wikipedia.

World Health Organization categorization

The WHO uses the term Female Genital Mutilation, and classifies FGM into four major types[22] (see Diagram 1), although there is some debate as to whether all common forms of FGM fit into these four categories, as well as issues with the reliability of reported data.[23]

Diagram 1:This image shows the different types of FGM and how they differ to the uncircumcised female anatomy.



[edit] Type I

The WHO defines Type I FGM as the partial or total removal of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and/or the prepuce (clitoral hood); see Diagram 1B. When it is important to distinguish between the variations of Type I mutilation, the following subdivisions are proposed: Type Ia, removal of the clitoral hood or prepuce only; Type Ib, removal of the clitoris with the prepuce.[22] In the context of women who seek out labiaplasty, Stern opposes removal of the clitoral hood and points to potential scarring and nerve damage.[24]

[edit] Type II

The WHO's definition of Type II FGM is "partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (excision). When it is important to distinguish between the major variations that have been documented, the following subdivisions are proposed: Type IIa, removal of the labia minora only; Type IIb, partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora; Type IIc, partial or total removal of the clitoris, the labia minora and the labia majora. Note also that, in French, the term ‘excision’ is often used as a general term covering all types of female genital mutilation.[22]

[edit] Type III: Infibulation with excision

The WHO defines Type III FGM as narrowing of the vaginal orifice with creation of a covering seal by cutting and repositioning the labia minora and/or the labia majora, with or without excision of the clitoris (infibulation)."[1] It is the most extensive form of FGM, and accounts for about 10% of all FGM procedures described from Africa.[25] Infibulation is also known as "pharaonic circumcision."[26]
In a study of infibulation in the Horn of Africa, Pieters observed that the procedure involves extensive tissue removal of the external genitalia, including all of the labia minora and the inside of the labia majora. The labia majora are then held together using thorns or stitching. In some cases the girl's legs have been tied together for two to six weeks, to prevent her from moving and to allow the healing of the two sides of the vulva. Nothing remains but the walls of flesh from the pubis down to the anus, with the exception of an opening at the inferior portion of the vulva to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass through; see Diagram 1D. Generally, a practitioner recognized as having the necessary skill carries out this procedure, and a local anesthetic is used. However, when carried out "in the bush," infibulation is often performed by an elderly matron or midwife of the village, with no anesthesia used.[27]
A reverse infibulation can be performed to allow for sexual intercourse or when undergoing labor, or by female relatives, whose responsibility it is to inspect the wound every few weeks and open it some more if necessary. During childbirth, the enlargement is too small to allow vaginal delivery, and so the infibulation is opened completely and may be restored after delivery. Again, the legs are sometimes tied together to allow the wound to heal. When childbirth takes place in a hospital, the surgeons may preserve the infibulation by enlarging the vagina with deep episiotomies. Afterwards, the patient may insist that her vulva be closed again.[27]
Women who have been infibulated face a lot of difficulty in delivering children, especially if the infibulation is not undone before hand, which often results in severe tearing of the infibulated area, or fetal death if the birth canal is not cleared (Toubia, 1995). The risk of severe physical, and psychological complications is more highly associated with women who have under gone infibulations as opposed to one of the lesser forms of FGM. Although there is little research on the psychological side effects of FGM, many women feel great pressure to conform to the norms set out by their community, and suffer from anxiety and depression as a result (Toubia, 1995). “There is also a higher rate of post traumatic stress disorder in circumcised females” (Nicoletti, 2007, p. 2). [28] [29]
This practice increases the occurrence of medical complications due to a lack of modern medicine and surgical practices.[citation needed]
A five-year study of 300 women and 100 men in Sudan found that "sexual desire, pleasure, and orgasm are experienced by the majority of women who have been subjected to this extreme sexual mutilation, in spite of their being culturally bound to hide these experiences."[30]
Most advocates of the practice continue to perform the procedure in adherence to standards of beauty that are very different from those in the west. Many infibulated women will contend that the pleasure their partners receive due to this procedure is a definitive part of a successful marriage and enjoyable sex life.[citation needed]

[edit] Type IV: Other types

There are other forms of FGM, collectively referred to as Type IV, that may not involve tissue removal. The WHO defines Type IV FGM as "all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, for example, pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterization."[22] This includes a diverse range of practices, such as pricking the clitoris with needles, burning or scarring the genitals as well as ripping or tearing of the vagina.[22]

[kingwilly]

Asia

Indonesia (No national prevalence figures avail., Type I and IV)Officials are preparing to release a decree banning doctors and paramedics from performing FGC. Azrul Azwar, the director general of community health, stated that, "All government health facilities will also be instructed to spread information about the decision as well as the redundancy of female circumcision."[92]

[slimboyfat]

It sounds interesting. A hobby for the man who has grown out of wood carving

[Lily]

Sick.

[Jet Gorgon]

I don't get angry about many things, but this I do. You blokes think it's funny, then line up to have your dicks cut off.

[Fabian]

You blokes think it's funny, then line up to have your dicks cut off.

I think KW almost got his chopped off.

[Muadib]

I don't get angry about many things, but this I do. You blokes think it's funny, then line up to have your dicks cut off.

Ah, but 1/5th of all men worldwide do have their foreskin circumcised... This the purpose of the mohel... Seems like you ladies have been getting off light for centuries...

Circumcision

[November Rain]

Sick.

I don't get angry about many things, but this I do. You blokes think it's funny, then line up to have your dicks cut off.

Agree one million percent.

Not in the least bit funny.

Just horrible. Words fail me.

[November Rain]

Ah, but 1/5th of all men worldwide do have their foreskin circumcised... This the purpose of the mohel... Seems like you ladies have been getting off light for centuries... Circumcision

Really, you think it's the same thing? Seriously?

[Loy Toy]

I decided not to look at this thread before because I think the custom is the most diabolical, savage and heinous ritual know to man.

When I noticed that the ladies had posted their replies I thought it was OK now to have a look.

Mutilation of a female's genitals has a very high mortality rate as well which is horrifying.

Outlaw this pratice and outlaw it now! Fook their barbaric religion and beliefs!

[November Rain]

Mutilation of a female's genitals has a very high mortality rate as well which is horrifying.

Quite right, LT. Maybe we should introduce the fact that very often the wound is not stitched together but thorns are inserted to hold the wound. The infection rate is horrendously high, scarring is both ugly and painful and, as LT says, many girls don't survive.

Excellent post, LT. Greened.

[kingwilly]

Quite right, LT. Maybe we should introduce the fact that very often the wound is not stitched together but thorns are inserted to hold the wound. The infection rate is horrendously high, scarring is both ugly and painful and, as LT says, many girls don't survive.

for the first type.

Can I remind you of type IV?

Is there anything wrong with this one?

(of course I agree that the other types are barbaric and should be stopped)

[November Rain]

Can I remind you of type IV? Is there anything wrong with this one?

Yes, this quote including the highlighted word

4. ceremonial cut or knife is just touched to the clitoris but no lasting damage is done. __________________

I'm presuming you wanted a comment on the above, because the actual type IV is horrific.

[edit] Type IV: Other types There are other forms of FGM, collectively referred to as Type IV, that may not involve tissue removal. The WHO defines Type IV FGM as "all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, for example, pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterization."[22] This includes a diverse range of practices, such as pricking the clitoris with needles, burning or scarring the genitals as well as ripping or tearing of the vagina.[22

[kingwilly]

OK, you're right, anything that cause pain or some sort of wound is wrong,

what I meant, and perhaps you missed my post from before, was what about the versions that MrsKW has experienced, and seems to be very common in Indonesia....

ceremonial cutting, where NO actual cutting takes place?

[Muadib]

Ah, but 1/5th of all men worldwide do have their foreskin circumcised... This the purpose of the mohel... Seems like you ladies have been getting off light for centuries... Circumcision

Really, you think it's the same thing? Seriously?

Well, if you have a penis and had the tip of it cut off during circumcision, I would have to say yes, pretty much the same outcome... The only difference would be the type of female circumcision where the woman's clitoris was removed... Now that's downright wrong...

[November Rain]

Well, if you have a penis and had the tip of it cut off during circumcision, I would have to say yes, pretty much the same outcome..

The foreskin is removed in male circumcision. Not the tip of the penis.

[benbaaa]

male circumcision

Does anyone mind if we call it male genital mutilation? I've always thought the male version was also barbaric, unless done for sound medical reasons.

[November Rain]

Does anyone mind if we call it male genital mutilation? I've always thought the male version was also barbaric, unless done for sound medical reasons.

Actually, I agree, as you'll see by my comments on the relevant thread of a few weeks ago. Unless medically necessary, I'd never subject anyone to it.

[dirtydog]

Could this thread be merged with this one slagdogs (==Meeting girls online==), it might stop some of these girls being so enthusiastic about shagging wrinkly old men

[Texpat]

You're ascribing human characteristics to barbaric savages.

We really need to be more tolerant here.

Shouldn't we just mind our own business?

[chassamui]

Get the fuck out of here. This is absolutely the most appalling, disgusting and pointless, unecessary torture. The people who continue this heathen, barbaric practice are simply inhuman. How can anyone subject another human being to this kind of depraved punishment.
I am all for live and let live, particularly where religious beliefs are concerned, but this serves no purpose other than undue suffering and the infliction of pain to satisfy some archaic and ridiculous ritual.
Those who perpetuate this kind of suffering should be rounded up and cut to pieces, with a blunt pen knife.
I am lost for words now. It's just not right.