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    Why do they call Americans 'dumb?'

    When I was working in Saudi Arabia, a British co-workers once asked me:" Let me sing you the national anthem of the country of dummies?" Then he proceeded to sing "the Star-Spangled Banner" with the following lyrics: "Dumb-dumb-dumb dumb-dumb-dumb..". Another British co-worker said that Americans were the dumbest race of people on the face of the Earth.

    I asked him why? He said that he once made a phone call using an AT&T operator and inquired her if he could place a call to London. She asked him " Where is London? Is that in Europe?" Later he told him that whenever he switched the TV channel to see a rugby or a cricket match, American co-workers would simply leave the room, totally uninterested in the game. In his eyes, these incidents made Americans "dumb".

    America is the largest economy in the world and Americans call themselves the richest country in the world. American leads the world in technology, space exploration in other such areas. So, why is this accusation of being "dumb"? And if Americans are so dumb, why is the country so rich?

    America is rich, there is no doubt about it. And it owes its riches to many factors. The main factor is probably the culture built on Protestant work ethics and solid North European common sense. People work hard and they work smart. They know how to solve problems. While some may call modern Americans "wastrels", the past generations had been very thrifty. The country was built on free enterprise and for hundreds of years the government had a laissez fair policy towards business. The culture is forward looking with a "can do" attitude. People are enthusiastic and believe that they can achieve their individual dreams through discipline and never giving up. Add to this the fact that education is much more accessible to many more people than how it was in Europe and the fact that the society has a much less rigid class structure and you've got yourself a rich country. And don't forget the fact that the country has lots of natural resources and unlike the European countries there have not been any major invasions for the past 200 years or so.

    So, where does this dumb thing come from? I think what is happening here is a classical case of intercultural misunderstanding. It occurs when foreigners visit the US and when Americans go to foreign countries. The people that call Americans dumb for the most part are Europeans. Latin Americans sometimes call US people uncultured, but not necessarily dumb. So, what is going on?

    There seems to be a difference in education. Europeans believe in being informed about the world outside. Being a well-rounded person is seen as a virtue. In the US, according to Europeans, people are very good at their individual professions and a few of their hobbies. However, studying anything that does not lead to practical results, is seen as a waste of time. That for some reason seems to include Geography and World History. So, as long as a conversation between an American and a foreigner runs along a specific topic such as business or the American's chose field of expertise, everything seems fine. Problems start when a European wants to have a broader discussion on international culture or current world events ( the ones that do not cover America's involvement in some war). Once a discussion like that starts, an American tunes out. He gives his conversation partner a blank look and starts feeling uncomfortable. Some Americans will even say with pride " I don't know anything about ( insert the topic). You might be talking to a five-year-old for all one cares.

    The neglected areas of Geography and any knowledge of the world outside the US- a subject that many Europeans take for granted and learn at an early age which seems to go largely uncovered in the US causes the impression of 'dumbness'. Brits complain that when they were in the US, MIT graduates would ask them questions such as : "Is there a bridge between England and Scotland or do you take a ferry? One Brit was fuming 'Do you know what that American asked me? He asked me " So what language do you guys speak in England?" Australian TV once ran a program where an Aussie went to some American city and stood there with a map, asking people to show on the map where Australia was and no one, allegedly, could do it.

    And these are American reactions to people who come from fellow- Anglo-Saxon countries! Things get worse when other countries are involved. Numerous foreign students who go to the US to study complain that most Americans have never even heard of their countries to begin with. One Malaysian girl studying at a college in New York was almost hysterical " No American has even heard of Malaysia". They keep asking me " Where is that?" One Saudi Arabian official once told me this story: He was studying in the US in 1980ies and once he was picnicking with his friends when a man walked up to them and said " F*** you, Iranian!" They promptly left the place but later decided to go back and explain to him that they were not Iranians. Upon approaching the angry man and telling him that they were not Iranians, the question that came their way was " So, what the f**** are you?"." We are Saudis!" to which the man replied " Same f****ing s**t!" In Latin America tales about of US presidents calling Brazilians "Bolivians" and being surprised that Brazil had Black people. White South Africans are asked " You come from Africa, How come you are white?"
    The other thing that aggravates the situation is that, because of geographical and cultural distances involved, even if Americans know about the existence a country, they have a very distorted picture of how life in those countries must be. Questions such as " Do you guys have electricity or TV?" or" Do you guys live in houses and are there cars in your country?" or "Are there big buildings in your country?" are asked of Thais, Nigerians and Singaporeans, people whose countries are quite modern in spite of poverty in some of them. Movies made in the US about Russia or Korea or Africa notoriously portray poor peasants and countryside devoid of any civilization whose people, nevertheless speak English and who all want to go to the US. Since most Americans have not been to those countries, they blindly believe the simplified Hollywood version of the world.

    A similar phenomenon occurs in the Philippines, a country that was once a US colony and that adopted an American system of education. Many foreigners visiting the Philippines or who work with Filipinos often say that Filipinos, even those with BA degrees have not heard of many countries unless they are those from which most tourists to the Philippines come and where Filipinos work : USA, Canada, Japan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Italy, etc. Having a worldy discussion with many a Filipino is quite difficult in spite of the fact that they are a well-educated nation.

    Hollywood, too , plays a role by putting America in the center of the world with other countries somehow being "run-away provinces" of America, who one day will want to join the Union and become another state of the US. They think that the world speaks English ( because on the screen most people do) and if some people don't ( actually 75% of people do not) then they should and soon will. Even the National Geographic channel covers only the very modern or the very exotic countries leaving a huge number of countries unmentioned. All these factors contribute to the international "uninformed-ness" of an average American and makes him or her appear "dumb" when a meeting between an American and a person of another culture takes place.

    In all fairness, Americans also see some other nations as "dumb". For example, the "Polish jokes" seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon. Few people in Europe think that Poles are dumb. Countries surrounding Poland actually think of them as astute, discreet and highly cultured people. In Russia, for example, a Pole is highly respected as being intelligent and even aristocratic. Possibly, the Polish immigrants to the States were originally poor and appeared "dumb" to Americans since they did not function well in the American culture in the beginning. French Canadians whose English was often poor and who also acted clumsy when they first arrived as immigrants in the US, were described as "dumb". But these adjusted to the country, learned the language and the culture and are no longer referred to as such. However, the "dumb" American image persists, especially in Europe.

    Being uninformed about the rest of the world does more harm than earning the title of being "dumb". People who think that they live in paradise while unaware of the many social and technological improvements that are always taking place in other countries will eventually fall behind in many areas. They will not be able to adopt many exciting innovations that are being introduced around the world all the time. Japan had video- cellphones as early as late nineties and Sigapore solved its race problem once and for all by very ingeneous quota systems that seem to benefit rather than harm. Many countries, such as Slovenia ( Where is that?) have small per capita prison populations and have much better programs to rehabilitate prisoners. However, if Americans do not know about them, how will the country improve?

    They will not be able to elect good leaders and will support international campaigns of dubious usefulness which drain US resources by diverting money from home to some overseas ventures in which patriotic Americans always die. They will believe myths about how the rest of the world is a God-forsaken place and if they become just like the US, they will be OK.

    Such ignorance creates suffering and death and stalls progress at home and abroad. And changing that requires improving the education at home and creating a new generation of highly intelligent, worldly citizens.

    American Chronicle | Why do they call Americans 'dumb?'

    Quite an honestly writen article IMHO.

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    Because it makes dumb people feel better about themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some idiot
    America is rich, there is no doubt about it.
    heheheheheh, so rich that they are all losing their houses and claiming unemployment benifits, find some more countries to invade, you know it makes sense and builds national unity

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    Americans have the reputation for talking, talking, talking and more talking when something could be explained in a sentence. I always thought it was the Aussies who were perceived as dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    I always thought it was the Aussies who were perceived as dumb.
    Oh dear.

    Pot > Kettle comes to mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    I always thought it was the Aussies who were perceived as dumb.
    Oh dear.

    Pot > Kettle comes to mind!
    Pot is more than kettle?

    Theory confirmed.

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    I think that the article is a good one as it points out their ignorance rather than actual stupidity. (Yes I know that I am generalising here).

    A true story.

    I was once in Paris doing the touristy thing at Eiffel tower. Whilst in the lift that goes to the top with my then girlfriend, a few other tourists and I where joined by a stereotypically fat American tourist and his wife.

    Being the only English speakers there we struck up a conversation. The conversation was along the lines of how impressive the Eiffel tower is and what other sights we had seen across the world etc. I told him that I found the Gaudi cathedral in Barcelona quite impressive, he asked what part of France that was in.......

    Anyway, because the lift to the top of the Eiffel tower takes some time the conversation continued and inevitably the subject of US architecture came about. Having never been to the US I asked a few questions and obviously everything in the US was the biggest, the best and the grandest. At one point the guy said:

    "This Eiffel tower is quite something, but the French have never done something quiet as magnificent as the Statue of Liberty".......................................... ......

    Unfortunately for us Brits drunken chavs are seen to represent us, yet people such as the guy I mentioned above are seen to represent Americans.

    I am not sure which I would prefer.

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    A true story.
    Yeah. OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    Pot is more than kettle? Theory confirmed.

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    Many nationalities are dumb.

    They just express it in different ways.

    The focus on Americans is because they are at the top.

    Yes, Americans are dumb - well, not really - ignorant - is a better term.

    Many Brits I know are dumb (ignorant), many Thais I know are dumb (ignorant), and many Aussies I know I are dumb (ignorant), as well as Kiwis, Chinese, Koreans, Argentinians, etc.

    My point: the OP is dumb. Or....ignorant, I shoud say.


    We don't know the educational background of the OP, nor how many countries visited, nor how many book read.

    OP: please tell us.
    ............

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    These stupid Yank-bashing threads just go on & on & on & on like the Enigizer rabitt...

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    The people that start these Yank bashing threads are often.....not yanks.

    I bash sometimes.

    But certain nationalities (in Thailand) are very regional, and nationalistic. And I must say....sadly...UNeducated.

    You know who I am talking about.

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    Americans have never been seen as dumb, where I come from. But a lot of people frankly didn't understand why they elected Ronald Reagan over there, and later......

    Geografy, well the old Denmark being the Capital of Stockholm story.

    Am I to laugh before I can name the 50 state-capitals of the US ? Not think so

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    Yep, and dem Brits are so fekin smart.
    BEG, BORROW OR STEAL (BBC2)
    Jamie Theakston: Where do you think Cambridge University is?
    Contestant: Geography isn't my strong point.
    Jamie Theakston: There's a clue in the title.
    Contestant: Leicester


    BBC NORFOLK
    Stewart White: Who had a worldwide hit with What A Wonderful World?
    Contestant: I don't know.
    Stewart White: I'll give you some clues: what do you call the part between your hand and your elbow?
    Contestant: Arm
    Stewart White: Correct And if you're not weak, you're...?
    Contestant: Strong.
    Stewart White: Correct - and what was Lord Mountbatten's first name?
    Contestant: Louis
    Stewart White: Well, there we are then. So who had a worldwide hit with the song What A Wonderful World?
    Contestant: Frank Sinatra?

    LATE SHOW (BBC MIDLANDS )
    Alex Trelinski: What is the capital of Italy?
    Contestant: France.
    Trelinski: France is another country Try again.
    Contestant: Oh, um, Benidorm.
    Trelinski: Wrong, sorry, let's try another question. In which country is the Parthenon?
    Contestant: Sorry, I don't know.
    Trelinski: Just guess a country then
    Contestant: Paris.

    BEACON RADIO ( WOLVERHAMPTON )
    DJ Mark: For 10, what is the nationality of the Pope?
    Ruth from Rowley Regis: I think I know that one. Is it Jewish?

    UNIVERSITY CHALLENGE
    Bamber Gascoyne: What was Gandhi's first name?
    Contestant: Goosey?


    GWR FM ( Bristol )
    Presenter: What happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963 ?
    Contestant: I don't know, I wasn't watching it then.

    LINCS FM PHONE-IN
    Presenter: Which is the largest Spanish-speaking country in the world?
    Contestant: Barcelona.
    Presenter: I was really after the name of a country.
    Contestant: I'm sorry, I don't know the names of any countries in Spain.

    NATIONAL LOTTERY (BBC1)
    Question: What is the world's largest continent?
    Contestant: The Pacific.

    ROCK FM ( PRESTON )
    Presenter: Name a film starring Bob Hoskins that is also the name of a famous painting by Leonardo da Vinci.
    Contestant: Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

    JAMES O'BRIEN SHOW (LBC)
    James O'Brien: How many kings of England have been called Henry?
    Contestant: Er, well, I know there was a Henry the Eighth ... ER. ER ... Three?

    CHRIS SEARLE SHOW (BBC RADIO BRISTOL )
    Chris Searle: In which European country is Mount Etna?
    Caller: Japan.
    Chris Searle: I did say which European country, so in case you didn't hear that, I can let you try again.
    Caller: Er ..... Mexico ?

    PAUL WAPPAT (BBC RADIO NEWCASTLE )
    Paul Wappat: How long did the Six-Day War between Egypt and Israel last?
    Contestant (long pause): Fourteen days.

    PHIL WOOD SHOW (BBC GMR)
    Phil Wood: What 'K' could be described as the Islamic Bible?
    Contestant: Er. ... ..
    Phil Wood: It's got two syllables . . Kor . .
    Contestant: Blimey?
    Phil Wood: Ha ha ha ha, no. The past participle of run . . ..
    Contestant: (Silence)
    Phil Wood: OK, try it another way. Today I run, yesterday I . . .
    Contestant: Walked?

    THE VAULT
    Melanie Sykes: What is the name given to the condition where the sufferer can fall asleep at any time?
    Contestant: Nostalgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Presenter: Name a film starring Bob Hoskins that is also the name of a famous painting by Leonardo da Vinci. Contestant: Who Framed Roger Rabbit ?
    Made me laugh

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    Priceless! Ignorance and dumbness doesn't recognize borders.

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    Australian radio competition - Long but hilarious!!?

    Just imagine sitting in traffic on your way to work and hearing this.

    Many Sydney folks DID hear this on the FOX FM morning show in Sydney.

    The DJs play a game where they award winners great prizes. The game is

    called 'Mate Match'. The DJs call someone at work and ask if they are

    married or seriously involved with someone. If the contestant answers

    'yes', he or she is then asked 3 random yet highly personal questions.

    The person is also asked to divulge the name of their partner with

    (phone number) for verification. If their partner answers those same

    three questions correctly, they both win the prize.

    The Harbour City dropped to its knees with laughter and is possibly the

    funniest thing you've heard yet.

    Anyway, here's how it all went down:

    DJ: 'Hey! This is Ed on FOX-FM. Have you ever heard of 'Mate Match'?'

    Contestant: (laughing) 'Yes, I have.'

    DJ: 'Great! Then you know we're giving away a trip to the Gold Coast if

    you win. What is your name? First only please.'

    Contestant: 'Brian.'

    DJ: 'Brian, are you married or what?'


    Brian: (laughing nervously) 'Yes, I am married.'

    DJ: 'Thank you. Now, what is your wife's name? First only please.'

    Brian: 'Sarah.'

    DJ: 'Is Sara at work, Brian?'

    Brian: 'She is gonna kill me.'

    DJ: 'Stay with me here, Brian! Is she at work?'

    Brian: (laughing) 'Yes, she's at work.'

    DJ: 'Okay, first question - when was the last time you had sex?'

    Brian: 'About 8 o'clock this morning.'

    DJ: 'Atta boy, Brian.'

    Brian: (laughing sheepishly) 'Well...'

    DJ: 'Question #2 - How long did it last?'



    Brian: 'About 10 minutes.'


    DJ: 'Wow! You really want that trip, huh? No one would ever have said

    that if a trip wasn't at stake.'

    Brian: 'Yeah, that trip sure would be nice.'

    DJ: 'Okay. Final question. Where did you have sex at 8 o'clock this

    morning?

    Brian: (laughing hard) 'I, ummm, I, well...'

    DJ: 'This sounds good, Brian. Where was it at?'

    Brian: 'Not that it was all that great, but her mum is staying with us

    for couple of weeks...'

    DJ: 'Uh huh...'

    Brian: '...and the Mother-In-Law was in the shower at the time.'

    DJ: 'Atta boy, Brian.'

    Brian: 'On the kitchen table.'

    DJ: 'Not that great?? That is more adventure than the previous hundred

    times I've done it.



    Okay folks, I will put Brian on hold, get his wife's work number and

    call her up.

    You listen to this.' [ 3 minutes of commercials follow. ]

    DJ: 'Okay audience; let's call Sarah, shall we?' (Touch

    tones.....ringing....)

    Clerk: 'Kinkos.'

    DJ: 'Hey, is Sarah around there somewhere?'

    Clerk: 'This is she.'

    DJ: 'Sarah, this is Ed with FOX-FM. We are live on the air right now and

    I've been talking with Brian for a couple of hours now.'

    Sarah: (laughing) 'A couple of hours?'

    DJ: 'Well, a while now. He is on the line with us. Brian knows not to

    give any\answers away or you'll lose.

    Sooooooo... do you know the rules of 'Mate Match'?'



    Sarah: 'No.'



    DJ: 'Good!'



    Brian: (laughing)



    Sarah: (laughing) 'Brian, what the hell are you up to?'



    Brian: (laughing) 'Just answer his questions honestly, okay? Be

    completely honest.'



    DJ: 'Yeah yeah yeah. Sure. Now, I will ask you

    DJ: 'Yeah yeah yeah. Sure. Now, I will ask you 3 questions, Sarah.

    If your answers match Brian's answers, then the both of you will be off

    to the Gold Coast for 5 days on us.

    Sarah: (laughing) 'Yes.'



    DJ: 'Alright. When did you last have sex, Sarah?'



    Sarah: 'Oh God, Brian....uh, this morning before Brian went to work.'



    DJ: 'What time?'



    Sarah: 'Around 8 this morning.'

    DJ: 'Very good. Next question. How long did it last?'



    Sarah: '12, 15 minutes maybe.'



    DJ: 'Hmmmm. That's close enough. I am sure she is trying to protect his

    manhood. We've got one last question, Sarah. You are one question away

    from a trip to the Gold Coast. Are you ready?'



    Sarah: (laughing) 'Yes.'



    DJ: 'Where did you have it?'

    Sarah: 'OH MY GOD, BRIAN!! You didn't tell them that did you?'

    Brian: 'Just tell him, honey.'

    DJ: 'What is bothering you so much, Sarah?'

    Sarah: 'Well...'

    DJ: Come on Sarah.....where did you have it?

    Sarah: 'Up the arse.'

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    I have gotta give that one to ya DD!

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    Ya, had to green DD for a change.

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    did they win the trip to the coast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Sarah: 'Up the arse.'
    I can see this has a lot to do with yanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    DJ: Come on Sarah.....where did you have it?

    Sarah: 'Up the arse.'
    Absolutely brilliant. Comedians would kill to write stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    Americans have the reputation for talking, talking, talking and more talking when something could be explained in a sentence
    [QUOTE="Moonraker"]obviously everything in the US was the biggest, the best


    and the grandest.[/QUOT

    If you study Americas Horoscope it has Saggittarius as its rising sign ,the signs ruling Planet being Jupiter,
    Saggittarians are well known for talking amongst other qualities ,why use one word when 10 will do !! , this is why they are often into writing etc,
    Jupiter is the Planet of Expansion/no limits which explains the Americans notion of size in all aspects of their life,

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