MGM=Savage Tribal Custom?

[tomcat]

...A victim of the pediatric penis cutters protested with his intact son outside a medical facility that provides newborn male genital mutilation for any reason, no questions asked...

[panama hat]

Like FGM - same, same.

[Shy Guava]

I'd be a multi-millionaire now if my parents had me castrated instead of circumcised.

[tomcat]

I'd be a multi-millionaire now if my parents had me castrated instead of circumcised.

...I'm not sure ladyboyhood is that lucrative...

[Cujo]

Like FGM - same, same.

Wrong. Not in the least. False equivalency.
Same same would be if they cut of the knob.
Circumcision is just losing a bit of skin.
Apparently it makes the member more proud and handsome at the same time increasing sensation and hygeine.
( I am in case you were wondering)
Cutting off the clit removes the pleasure centre.
Imagine chopping off the knob just below the glans.

[Cujo]

...I'm not sure ladyboyhood is that lucrative...

Apart from which, it's not too late.

[nidhogg]

Wrong. Not in the least. False equivalency.
Same same would be if they cut of the knob.
Circumcision is just losing a bit of skin.
Apparently it makes the member more proud and handsome at the same time increasing sensation and hygeine.
( I am in case you were wondering)
Cutting off the clit removes the pleasure centre.
Imagine chopping off the knob just below the glans.

Actually, FGM varies tremendously according to background. In Indo for example a small cut is made somewhere. The clit is most definitely not cut off.

*However* - that being said, maybe we all should just stop fiddling with childrens bits in any way at all. Male OR female.

[Simon43]

...maybe we all should just stop fiddling with childrens bits in any way at all. Male OR female.

Agreed, men without foreskins are abnormal, not that they had a say in the matter...

[sabang]

Actually, MGM decreases the amount of sensation you can feel in the glans (the most sensitive part of the wedding tackle) by some 43%.
Not that the 'victims' necessarily feel bad about that- I guess one doesn't miss what you effectively never had.
There are other 'mishaps' too (such as Harvey Weinstein's grotesquely distorted knob), or the odd case of herpes- but they are pretty rare.
But I don't see why there is all this outcry about the benign forms (over 90%) of FGM, when there is effectively none concerning MGM.
The barbaric form of FGM is what the campaigners should be concentrating on, and hopefully eliminating. As far as the rest- both F & MGM, leave well enough alone.

[tomcat]

maybe we all should just stop fiddling with childrens bits in any way at all. Male OR female.

...agree...

As far as the rest- both F & MGM, leave well enough alone.

...hardly "well enough", is it?...stop all genital mutilation...

[taxexile]

The relationship between circumcision and HIV has been researched since the late 1980s. Male circumcision reduces the risk of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) transmission from HIV+ women to men.[1][2]

In 2011, the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) stated that male circumcision is an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention if carried out by medical professionals under safe conditions.[needs update][3][4][5] The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states that circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) from an infected female partner.

Circumcision and HIV - Wikipedia

what was once seen as a barbaric tribal/religious custom by the legions of the perpetually offended does now seem to offer benefits as many medical research projects have confirmed. its just a useless cheesy flap.

sadly the same cannot be said of fgm, which is indeed a barbaric tribal/religious custom used solely to disempower, disadvantage and mutilate women.

[tomcat]

its just a useless cheesy flap.

...even so, no need to lop it off...particularly from a child who has no say in the matter...

[taxexile]

better to do it early when its a tiny little thing and you dont know anything about it, because who would go through such a thing in later life.

[Joe 90]

better to do it early when its a tiny little thing and you dont know anything about it, because who would go through such a thing in later life.

Agreed, sometimes it necessary to have the operation later in life simply because ones cock gets too big.

I had a circumcision in my 20's and had to have general anesthetic. It took weeks to heal but was great to be able to piss straight again.
The trouble with my operation was the rookie female surgeon who stitched me up literally stitched me up with self dissolving stitches.
They dissolved far too quickly, especially when she was about arousing me in her white coat and heels leading to my bellend literally falling off.

All well that ends well with no cheese and a perfectly functional member .

[DonKiddick]

Wrong. Not in the least. False equivalency.
Same same would be if they cut of the knob.
Circumcision is just losing a bit of skin.
Apparently it makes the member more proud and handsome at the same time increasing sensation and hygeine.
( I am in case you were wondering)
Cutting off the clit removes the pleasure centre.
Imagine chopping off the knob just below the glans.

It's a bit of skin that gets cut off an infant with no anaesthetic.

It decreases sensitivity because the head of the penis is always exposed.

Doing this because a religion says you should is as crazy as thinking the world is 200 years old.

[sabang]

Well if you're going to defend that practise, you effectively have no case against Type 1 & 2 FGM, which is a far more benign and less traumatic procedure because it removes far less prepuce flesh.

Type 4 FGM however is barbaric because it involves partial or whole removal of the clitoris- but fortunately it only occurs around the Horn of Africa.

...even so, no need to lop it off...particularly from a child who has no say in the matter...

While I agree with you TC, my view is that some battles are just not worth fighting. You've got religion and other primitive cultural traditions tied up with this whole thing. But castigating benign FGM while championing MGM is just a form of cultural bigotry.

[MarilynMonroe]

You've got religion and other primitive cultural traditions tied up with this whole thing. But castigating benign FGM while championing MGM is just a form of cultural bigotry.

I agree, but I don't think it is right that babies are circumcised without giving consent. It should be up to the male whether they want to be circumsized or not. I don't think religious reasons are used for MGM for the most part.

For FGM it is related to religious/cultural reasons and it is usually barbaric, scarring a woman and often affecting her self-esteem and sexual life. I did a lot of research papers on this in university and remember thinking how awful this practice is.

[sabang]

I don't think it is right that babies are circumcised without giving consent

Agreed, but waddya gonna do? It is too deeply ingrained in various cultural traditions, including religion- probably the most primitive and potentially vicious of all.

FGM it is related to religious/cultural reasons

Yes, of course. Like MGM.

it is usually barbaric

Only if you consider MGM barbaric too. Most FGM is fairly benign, and involves the removal of much less flesh ("prepuce") than MGM. I think your study materials were culturally biased, and probably trumpet the utterly false preposition that all FGM involves the clitoris. It doesn't.


Prepuce /ˈpriːpjuːs/, or as an adjective, preputial /prɪˈpjuːʃəl/, refers to two homologous structures of male and female genitals:

• Clitoral hood, skin surrounding and protecting the head of the clitoris
• Foreskin, skin surrounding and protecting the head of the penis in humans
• Penile sheath, skin surrounding and protecting the head of the penis in other animals

On a slightly humorous note, an Ethiopian tribe was overrun by radical muzzies of the less barbaric than Isis variety. So they weren't slaughtered, but subjected to forced circumcision- both male and female. When interviewed by a western reporter, the women expressed sympathy for the men, because it had been so much more painful and traumatic for them! So obviously they weren't subjected to Type 4 FGM, which is horrific. I wonder if the reporter blushed.

[tomcat]

I don't think religious reasons are used for MGM for the most part.

...Jews and Muslims will probably disagree with you...

[MarilynMonroe]

^Yes, you are correct.. but there are non religious people that also get it done for health reasons I'm assuming. I still don't think it is right if they don't have a say in the matter. I've heard (from some men) that they lose a lot of sensitivity from being cut.

study materials were culturally biased, and probably trumpet the utterly false preposition that all FGM involves the clitoris. It doesn'

Nah, I was talking specifically about the barbaric kind practiced in Africa.
That is the one I was doing a research paper on, sorry should have been more specific.

[MarilynMonroe]

On a slightly humorous note, an Ethiopian tribe was overrun by radical muzzies of the less barbaric than Isis variety. So they weren't slaughtered, but subjected to forced circumcision- both male and female. When interviewed by a western reporter, the women expressed sympathy for the men, because it had been so much more painful and traumatic for them! So obviously they weren't subjected to Type 4 FGM, which is horrific. I wonder if the reporter blushed.

Well it is interesting because I don't know many adult men that have been circumsized and if they have, aren't they put under so they can't feel it? In Africa, many of these children were cut without being put under.

[panama hat]

...Jews and Muslims will probably disagree with you...

It became the trend in the US several decades ago . . . the usual fear-mongering and - snap - new trend.

[sabang]

^^ I know an English bloke that did it, to please his (lovely) Jewish fiance'- he wasn't gonna go full hebe, but he settled on that. He said it was bladdy sore for a few days, but that was it. But I doubt the Ethiopian tribe had it done in a Hospital...