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    Maps, Glorious Maps!

    ...interesting stuff for those interested in how the world might have looked under different circumstances:

    The intriguing maps that reveal alternate histories - BBC Future

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    I love maps - check out reddit mapporn

    I might visit Via dei C*nt - others may prefer Tickle Cock Bridge
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    take a hike


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    Maps, Glorious Maps!-usa-png
    ...each colored area is approximately 1/4 of the US population...

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    ...each colored area is approximately 1/4 of the Canadian population...

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    ...each colored area is approximately 1/4 of California's population...

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    ...each colored area is approximately 1/4 of the Australian population...

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    Less a map, than a model.



    Giant model map of Bangkok at the BMA Expo 2023.



    Reckon they've even got Tommo sat on his balcony, checkered clad, JWG in hand.

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    I love maps - check out reddit mapporn
    I fancy Clit. A bit close to Turda though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Reckon they've even got Tommo sat on his balcony
    ...a more careful inspection would see me waving...

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    ...spent 2 years on the eastern edge of the Rift Valley and one year on the western highlands of Ethiopia...

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    Not real, obviously.


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    Should be:



    Sukhothai under the o in P'lok.

    Mahasarakham above the R in Roi-Et.

    Kalasin up higher above the o in Roi-Et.


    CR looks underlit. Dave must o' turned off the lights before galivanting around Europe.

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    Great thread Tom

    I love aps must have hndreds
    Of course with SATNAV and net less nEeded driving but still like to gaze over future destinations and previous tours

    I recall first time I saw his in Oz and the fact N as standard is a modern concept
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    Why are almost all modern maps the same way up? Caroline Williams explores the intriguing history that led to this orientation – and discovers why it shapes how we see the world in more ways than we realise.
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    Imagine looking at the Earth from space. What is at the top of the planet? If you said the North Pole, you probably wouldn’t be alone. Strictly speaking, you wouldn’t be right either.
    The uncomfortable truth is that despite almost everybody imagining that the world is this way up, there is no good, scientific reason to think of north as being the roof of the world.
    The story of how it came to be considered to be that way is heady mix of history, astrophysics and psychology. And it leads to an important conclusion: it turns out that the way we have decided to map the world has very real consequences for how we feel about it.
    Navigating brain
    Understanding where you are in the world is a basic survival skill, which is why we, like most species come hard-wired with specialised brain areas to create cognitive maps of our surroundings. Where humans are unique, though, with the possible exception of honeybees, is that we try to communicate this understanding of the world with others. We have a long history of doing this by drawing maps – the earliest versions yet discovered were scrawled on cave walls 14,000 years ago. Human cultures have been drawing them on stone tablets, papyrus, paper and now computer screens ever since.




    It is only within the last few hundred years that north has been consistently at the top

    Given such a long history of human map-making, it is perhaps surprising that it is only within the last few hundred years that north has been consistently considered to be at the top. In fact, for much of human history, north almost never appeared at the top, according to Jerry Brotton, a map historian from Queen Mary University, London and author of A History of the World in Twelve Maps. “North was rarely put at the top for the simple fact that north is where darkness comes from,” he says. “West is also very unlikely to be put at the top because west is where the sun disappears.”
    Confusingly, early Chinese maps seem to buck this trend. But, Brotton, says, even though they did have compasses at the time, that isn’t the reason that they placed north at the top. Early Chinese compasses were actually oriented to point south, which was considered to be more desirable than deepest darkest north. But in Chinese maps, the Emperor, who lived in the north of the country was always put at the top of the map, with everyone else, his loyal subjects, looking up towards him. “In Chinese culture the Emperor looks south because it’s where the winds come from, it’s a good direction. North is not very good but you are in a position of subjection to the emperor, so you look up to him,” says Brotton.





    The Kangnido map, a Chinese-influenced Korean map from 1402 (Credit: Wikipedia)



    Given that each culture has a very different idea of who, or what, they should look up to it’s perhaps not surprising that there is very little consistency in which way early maps pointed. In ancient Egyptian times the top of the world was east, the position of sunrise. Early Islamic maps favoured south at the top because most of the early Muslim cultures were north of Mecca, so they imagined looking up (south) towards it:

    Muhammad Al Idrissi’s map Tabula Rogeriana from 1154, upside down with north at the top (Credit: Wikipedia)



    Christian maps from the same era (called Mappa Mundi) put east at the top, towards the Garden of Eden and with Jerusalem in the centre.

    The Hereford Mappa Mundi from 1300 (Credit: Wikipedia)



    So when did everyone get together and decide that north was the top? It’s tempting to put it down to European explorers like Christopher Columbus and Ferdinand Megellan, who were navigating by the North Star. But Brotton argues that these early explorers didn’t think of the world like that at all. “When Columbus describes the world it is in accordance with east being at the top,” he says. “Columbus says he is going towards paradise, so his mentality is from a medieval mappa mundi.” We’ve got to remember, adds Brotton, that at the time, “no one knows what they are doing and where they are going”.
    Mercator’s world map, from 1569, was a defining moment in north-up map-making

    Mercator’s world map, from 1569, was almost certainly a defining moment in north-up map-making. His map was famously the first to take into account the curvature of the Earth, so that sailors could cross long distances without overshooting the mark. Again, though, Brotton says that north had little to do with it. “Mercator projected the poles to infinity. He says in his description that it doesn’t matter because we are not terribly interested in sailing to them. North is at the top but nobody cares about north because we’re not going there.”
    Even so, he could have put the map either way up. Perhaps the choice was simply because the Europeans were doing most of the exploring at the time: in the northern hemisphere, there is far more land to explore and far more people.





    The 1569 Mercator map of the world (Credit: Wikipedia)



    Whatever the reasons, north up is an idea that seems to have stuck. Take this famous Nasa image from 1973. This photograph was actually taken with south at the top, because the astronaut who took it was spinning around at the time. Nasa decided to flip it over to avoid confusing people.

    This image of Earth was photographed this way round, but flipped before publication (Credit: Nasa)



    When you start looking at the Earth from space though, the idea of it being any particular way up starts to make even less sense. It’s true that, as we all learned in school, the Earth lines up along the same plane as all of the other planets in the solar system because they all formed out of the same cloud of spinning dust. It is also true, though, that this picture could just as easily be put upside down or with the Sun at the top or bottom, depending on where in space you happen to be looking from.

    (Credit: Nasa)



    And compared to the rest of the Milky Way, our entire solar system is off kilter by about 63 degrees.
    While astronomers have found that stars and planets align with their neighbours in similar ways all over space, Daniel Mortlock, an astrophysicist at Imperial College London, says that this is only true at a tiny scale compared to the vastness of the Universe. “As far as we astronomers can tell, there really is no ‘up’ or ‘down’ in space,” he says.
    So the answer to the question of which way up is the Earth is simple: it is not any particular way up and there is no good reason other than a historical superiority complex to think of north as being the top of the world.
    Yet is it time to start embracing a different view of the planet from the one we are used to? Perhaps, because evidence from psychology suggests that our north-up culture might be polluting the way we think of what is valuable in the world.





    Could there be a northern bias that shapes how we think about some parts of the planet? (Credit: Nasa)



    A well-known bias in psychology reveals that most people think of north as being ‘up’ and south, ‘down’. Brian Meier, a psychologist at Gettysberg College in Pennsylvania, has also found that people unconsciously process positive words as if they were higher in space than negative ones. So he wondered whether these two things, north = up and good = up affect the value that people put on different areas on a map.
    It isn’t too much of a stretch to think that people are less likely to care about countries that are ‘lower’ than them

    Sure enough, when shown a map of a hypothetical city and asked where they would like to live, people were significantly more likely to choose an area in the north of the city. And when another group of people were asked where fictitious people of different social status would live, they plotted them on the map with the richest in the north and poorest in the south.
    It isn’t too much of a stretch to think that people are less likely to care what happens in countries or regions that are ‘lower’ than them on the map or globe.
    The good news is that in Meier’s experiments the relationship between ‘north’ and ‘good’ was eliminated by one simple thing – turning the map upside down. So perhaps the world might get a little fairer if we just took a look at it another way up now and again. South-up maps are easily available online. It is also something that Mortlock is very much in favour of: “As an Australian, I think it should be done more often,” he says.
    If nothing else, it’s a sure-fire way to make the world seem fresh, and unexplored, once more. With so few earthbound discoveries left for our generation to make, all we can do is – to paraphrase Marcel Proust – look again at the world we’ve got, but this time, through different eyes
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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Could there be a northern bias that shapes how we think about some parts of the planet?
    Is there no end to this woke shit ?


    There is however a problem with maps having equator too far south, making Greenland about the size of Africa.

    (Exaggerated for Willy's comprehension)

    I love maps too

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    Very interessting map Tom.Both Brno known as Brumm Prague known as Prag were majority German or Yiddisch speaing until 1848 revolution too.The rural peasants were largely Slav and teh city traders non Slavs.
    The eastern "pocket " of Transylvanian Maygars in the Carpathian mountains explain modern Hungary's dislike of the Ukraine.It was here that Jan Hoch originated better known as Bob Maxwell, the bouncing Czech.

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    ^ The 2026 world cup is being jointly held in Canada, the US and Mexico.


    For some reason they're not branding it CUM 2026.

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    Hnmmmmm....sounds like Edmond is fishing for a manwich.

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