Thread: British pub landlord faces jail for writing 'death to Allah' on Qatar Airways seat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Brand New ! Scenes from "Life of Brian II"

Muhammad's mother: He's not the Prophet. He's a very naughty boy! Now, piss off!

This is gold dust! What a superb idea. Life of Brian II starring the prophet Muhammed!

It does raise the question what if the fella had written something facetiously humorous about Islam instead of merely offensive? Western social mores, based on the Python precedent, dictate that making fun of religion is in the game and religious dog-botherers just have to suck it up.

Islam needs to be needled with a bit of humour regularly as part of helping it to grow up and not take itself so seriously.

Originally Posted by Neverna

I am not "afraid" and I have not posted that I am "afraid" to answer your question, therefore you have deliberately posted a false accusation. It is a lie. You have lied.

Can't really give you that logical assertion Nev. Lying involves an intent to deceive or knowingly making a false statement. FRT could have been mistaken.

Originally Posted by Looper

FRT could have been mistaken

FaRT is a persistent dissembling troll...if ignored, he goes away...slowly, but he eventually goes...

Andres Serrano. Lock him up. Blasphemy, antichristian hate.!!

Originally Posted by Looper

Life of Brian II starring the prophet Muhammed!

It does raise the question what if the fella had written something facetiously humorous about Islam instead of merely offensive? Western social mores, based on the Python precedent, dictate that making fun of religion is in the game and religious dog-botherers just have to suck it up.

The guy wasn't making a film nor drawing a cartoon - he was unhappy about the service on the airplane, took revenge by writing an offensive message on the armrest and harrassing other passengers, using religion.

Originally Posted by Looper

Can't really give you that logical assertion Nev. Lying involves an intent to deceive or knowingly making a false statement. FRT could have been mistaken.

Not on Teakdoor, A lie allegation on Teakdoor is something that you dont like the sound of

Originally Posted by stroller

The guy wasn't making a film nor drawing a cartoon - he was unhappy about the service on the airplane, took revenge by writing an offensive message on the armrest and harrassing other passengers, using religion.

I am just conscious of the fact that the justice system tends to come down hard on people who 'offend' islam simply because society is wary about followers of islam being 'touchy' but their being 'touchy' is really more their problem than ours.

I would like to see a systematic attempt to poke fun at Islam on a regular basis until they learn that we do not take their religion as seriously as they do and that religion is not something that we accept people getting hysterically upset over these days since the west has grown up a bit more than the middle east has w.r.t. religion.

We can go on offering them the usual eggshells grovelling 'multicultural' courtesy that we have been as a bit of 'carrot' but we should start following it up with regular doses of satire and jokes as a bit of stick to get them moving a bit faster along the maturity curve.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

i'm offering to support the unpopular side of the debate, so not sure what the problem is.

The perp who committed the crimes admitted to it and is going down, what's there to "debate"?

A London pub landlord is facing jail after he wrote "death to Allah" on the armrest of his Qatar Airways business class seat because he was angry with the service.

Lets get to the Nub. He should be charged with criminal damage and be forced to pay for the cleaning or repair. He should also be fined. He should have the right of free speech to say death to Allah.

Joseph Breslin, 36, also scrawled an Islamophobic message on a napkin, attacking Muslims wearing headscarves, and dropped it between two passengers as the plane landed in Heathrow.

He dropped a note denigrating head scarves which apparently had to be translated to the passengers because they could not read English. At worst he should be warned or fined for harrassment. But by making the charge religiously motivated violates his right to free speech. We are not arguing whether the accused was a Dick. That is self evident.

Breslin, from Bromley, south London, pleaded guilty to two charges of religiously aggravated harassment and one count of religiously aggravated criminal damage at Isleworth Crown Court, the Evening Standard reported on Wednesday (4 October).

To me the argument is A: this crime is petty and should not attract a gaol sentence and B: The fact that this law is on the statutes in a supposed western democracy, rather than an Islamic country where Islam does not tolerate religious freedom or dissent, is a disgrace and I believe, an infringement of his civil rights. If we are to follow this unhealthy trend of "appeasement at all costs" by the P.C. lobby, it will soon be unlawful to say anything which in the opinion of someone else is offensive. An extension of this can be seen in some of the latest laws in Thailand. All these laws are designed to stifle dissention and free speech of those with a different opinion to the current P.C. paradigm and is spreading through the west like an Orwellian Ministry of Truth. Far from quelling the people that these laws are aimed at, it will foment discontent and fuel the rise of the far right even further. The far left and the far right are just different sides of the same coin. Both do not tolerate dissenting views and are both just as dangerous IMO.
An Australian example of PC stupidity for those interested. Known as section 18C of the racial discrimination act.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...30-goit14.html

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

He should have the right of free speech to say death to Allah.

agree: in his domicile to his wife...in a public setting, however, social living requires constraints on free speech, much like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater...

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

The fact that this law is on the statutes in a supposed western democracy, rather than an Islamic country where Islam does not tolerate religious freedom or dissent, is a disgrace and I believe, an infringement of his civil rights.

His religious freedom has not been infringed, nor his right to dissent. Nobody asked him to conform to anything other than civility and the law.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

He dropped a note denigrating head scarves which apparently had to be translated to the passengers because they could not read English. At worst he should be warned or fined for harrassment. But by making the charge religiously motivated violates his right to free speech

But it was clearly religiously motivated and free speech? What about the rights of others to not be harassed by dickheads.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What about the rights of others to not be harassed by dickheads.

What the hell are Rights, Free speech or harassment ?
I prefer a good stiff Fatwa issued by Umar, second caliph of the Prophet ?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

What the hell are Rights, Free speech or harassment ?
I prefer a good stiff Fatwa issued by Umar, second caliph of the Prophet ?

I was in Saudi yesterday.

No-one issued a fatwa against me.

Mind you, I couldn't get a pint and a bacon butty for love nor money.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Mind you, I couldn't get a pint and a bacon butty for love nor money

then you're on the wrong compound...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No-one issued a fatwa against me

then you're on the wrong compound...

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

If someone wrote death to Jesus on a note in Arabic and dropped it at my feet and I then have to get it translated to feel harrassed "and then left terrified" FFS spare me.

You'd be surprised how fast they'd be whisked off the plane and treated like terrorists. There have been cases of much more trivial incidences.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Can anyone tell me the gaol sentences of the gentlemen in the photo below.

quite a difference, imo, between possibly threatening actions on a plane where no escape is possible and a city street...

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I would more likely think what a wanker.

many would admire your manly sangfroid...others, strapped in their seats, might be looking around for a flight attendant...

Originally Posted by stroller

You'd be surprised how fast they'd be whisked off the plane and treated like terrorists.

I guess the fact that it was on a plane means they are treating it more seriously.

If a Muslim started engaging in that kind of message writing on a plane they would probably be dealt with harshly given the history of plane-related Islamic terrorism.

It seems like maybe what they are doing is here is treating the fella harshly to show 'impartiality' since a Muslim would be treated harshly.

But is that fair since there is no history of plane based Christian terrorism but a very real and recent history of Islamic plane-related terrorism.

I think it is one of those situations where discriminating against Muslims with punishment severity is justified since they present a credible threat w.r.t. hijacking/bombing planes whereas Christians do not.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Herr Stroller.Did it ever occur to that badly fermenting cabbage which you use in place of a brain , to form a sentence like, say "I disagree because" instead of these childish reds? I realise it is difficult to sound intelligent when you have an IQ of a brain damaged rodent but try, no matter how much it hurts.

You mean to admit that you don't read my posts on this thread?
I know it's difficult for someone who's so far up his arse he cannot perceive anything but his own prejudices, but you could try to separate the topic at hand from the bile you like to throw around.